The Afterlife Investigations (Documentary about the Scole experiments)

[Nathaniel]

Another documentary I stumbled upon, I find this one particularly fascinating.

 

[Randall]

Another documentary I stumbled upon, I find this one particularly fascinating.

It's OK to find these documentaries interesting, so long as you don't find them convincing. There are a lot of assumptions and unverified claims. The lights in the dark room might be explained by bioluminescent insects that are repelled by bright ambient light. At one point one witness even commented that they looked like fireflies ( around 1:05:44 ). So as soon a s the room lights come on the insects hide in cracks, but when it's dark, they're attracted to that custom made dome, perhaps by pheromones or some other mechanism. The psychic mediums are no more convincing than any other. The talking radio was obviously some kind of hoax. The Project Alice camera setup to record its own viewfinder off a set of mirrors is obviously problematic ( 0:48:20 ). Is it any wonder that they ended up with something that looked like a tunnel of light?

The film in the locked box could have been prepared beforehand and placed into the box by one of the investigative team. A better method would have been to have film provided by a random verifiable independent supplier. It's not made clear whether or not each video clip of the phenomena are produced by CGI for illustrative purposes or whether or not they are actual camera footage. It wouldn't be the first time that some production or another has included animations for effect without making it clear. The voices in the room could be from speakers carefully planted in the walls. The entire building and setup could be part of some clandestine psy-ops experiment. Sophisticated psy-ops experiments on unwitting subjects have been done in the past.

Also if the claims made by these people are supposed to be taken as some kind of evidence for the truth of some universal claim ( like life after death ), why don't these so-called "spirits" make themselves available for wide scale repeatable verifiable study by everyone, including the scientific and skeptical community, rather than only engaging these isolated studies and claims where the evidence is dubious or elusive? I'm not saying that strange things don't happen. They do. What I'm saying is that we don't know for sure what is genuine and what isn't, and that even if some of it is genuine that evidence still isn't sufficient enough to draw any certain conclusions, especially about afterlife claims.

Lastly, afterlives aren't logically possible. The closest that is possible is some sort of reproduction that bears some resemblance to the deceased. So if the phenomena aren't being produced by hoaxers, then what might be responsible for generating these illusions? Believers who need to believe that they are communicating with the bereaved are obviously biased by powerful subjective emotions. Many other people are biased by religious belief. There was a moment in one video ( 0:50:20 ) when a face that looked like an alien was recorded. Of all the possibilities; and as dubious as this also is, if there is some extraordinary cause behind these phenomena, the possibility that these researchers are all part of some alien study is at least possible. Oh and let's not forget that the documentary also includes a dose of Quantum Mysticism.

Scole Experiment Alien​

Hoax? Or are these creatures what is really behind the phenomena?​

 

[flipper]

This is touches the subject: (MP 3)
Red Ice Radio - Anthony Peake - Hour 1 - The Infinite Mindfield: The Mystery of Consciousness
Anthony Peake suggests an approach to the nature of consciousness and its relationship with the external world.

 

[mike]

The Hive Mind and The Invisible Thread - Waking Times

 

[Randall]

The Hive Mind and The Invisible Thread - Waking Times

Interesting article, but it seems to boil down to more New Age Mysticism. The so-called "multiples" of invention could just as easily be explained by the prevalence of common knowledge and large numbers of people working on similar problems that finally reach the tipping point. No mysticism needed.

 

[Nathaniel]

With regards to the 'alien' image.

During one of my sessions with Samantha/Jed it was explained to me that many ET species are fully aware of what they really are (spiritual entities) because they don't 'forget' their true nature like us humans. Given that they are much more 'spiritually' advanced than us they are able to interact on an energetic level as well as physical, which could explain the ghostly alien apparition. She also told me that 'grey's' (and there is no doubt that this image looks like a classic 'grey') don't come from another planet, but exist right here, albeit in a parallel reality. She told me that they are a damaged species and that they will occasionally cross over into our reality to collect specimens from humans (who apparently agree to take part in this before they incarnate into a body) in order to create hybrids and so keeping their species alive.

I never share my questions with Samantha before a session and despite our experiences she still has no real interest in 'spirituality' and certainly isn't interested in ET's and/or UFO's.

A day or so later I was watching a video of a channeled session with Bashar (whom I personally believe to be a genuine channeled entity) and he gave the same information that Samantha/Jed had given to me.

Now whether you want to accept it or not, it's still a very interesting theory.

What makes you so certain that the radio is a hoax?

As for spirits making themselves available to everyone for 'study', why should they? They'll come to those with an open mind and a genuine desire to learn.

 

[Randall]

With regards to the 'alien' image.

During one of my sessions with Samantha/Jed it was explained to me that many ET species are fully aware of what they really are (spiritual entities) because they don't 'forget' like humans do. Because they are much more 'spiritually' advanced than us they are able to interact on an energetic level as well as physical, which could explain the ghostly alien apparition. She also told me that 'grey's' (and there is no doubt that this image looks like a classic 'grey') don't come from another planet, but exist right here, albeit in a parallel reality. She told me that they were a damaged species and that they will occasionally cross over into our reality to collect specimens from humans (who apparently agree to take part in this before they incarnate into a body) in order to create hybrids and in doing so keeping their species alive.

There are just way too many problems with the idea that "ET species" are really "spiritual entities". It's more likely that the image is some kind of fabrication, or that if it's a real alien that they are normally able to go undetected by using some sort of advanced technology and that this was just a pure luck of the moment image. Alien craft have been tracked on radar and pursued by military jets. Radar waves bounce off physical material objects, not "spiritual" objects ( if there is even such a thing ). The whole concept of spirituality is also full of holes to begin with. The only thing the word "spiritual" seems truly useful for is as a catchall phrase for our psychological well being. All the rest involving OOBEs, NDEs, past lives, reincarnation, ghosts, and the like is based on unsubstantiated belief, not sufficient evidence.

 

[Nathaniel]

I'm trying to work out if you misunderstood what I meant by ET's being aware of what they are. I mean they know they are 'spiritual' entities who have chosen to experience a physical existence - just like us - only these 'spiritual' entities chose a different species with which to have their experience and, unlike us, many of these species retain the knowledge that they are, at their core, 'spiritual' beings who have chosen to incarnate into a physical body.

Because of this knowledge, and their much more advanced 'spiritual' evolution, I believe they are capable of things most people wouldn't even contemplate.

By the way, I'm beginning to develop a dislike for the word 'spiritual' because it holds so many kooky connotations, hence the 'quotations', but I can't find another word so until then you will have to persevere.

I just noticed you said 'alien craft' have been tracked and pursued. Just out of curiosity does this mean you are of the definite belief that these craft are piloted by aliens or do you mean the craft was strange, ie 'alien'?

 

[Randall]

I'm trying to work out if you misunderstood what I meant by ET's being aware of what they are. I mean they know they are 'spiritual' entities who have chosen to experience a physical existence - just like us - only these 'spiritual' entities chose a different species with which to have their experience and, unlike us, many of these species retain the knowledge that they are, at their core, 'spiritual' beings who have chosen to incarnate into a physical body. Because of this knowledge, and their much more advanced 'spiritual' evolution, I believe they are capable of things most people wouldn't even contemplate.

Well I guess we need to get this notion of "spirituality" nailed down then first before we can make any progress don't we?

By the way, I'm beginning to develop a dislike for the word 'spiritual' because it holds so many kooky connotations, hence the 'quotations', but I can't find another word so until then you will have to persevere.

That's a very sensible statement and something I've spent considerable time contemplating. However it can also become a real quagmire to unravel unless one is prepared to set aside religious and mystical belief systems and consider the subject in as objective a light as is possible. Then we find ( or at least I was able to find ) that the puzzle comes into focus. This doesn't mean we have all the answers. There are still pieces missing, and too few to be entirely sure about all the details. But I believe we're still further ahead ( though many would also probably still disagree based on faith or denial ).

I just noticed you said 'alien craft' have been tracked and pursued. Just out of curiosity does this mean you are of the definite belief that these craft are piloted by aliens or do you mean the craft was strange, ie 'alien'?

When I use the word alien in the context of ufology, I mean natural or engineered objects or phenomena from outside the boundaries and constructs of our global civilization including secret programs, and possibly but not necessarily ET. Natural objects would include things like asteroids or organisms that have been transplanted from one environment to a non-native environment. Engineered objects would include alien craft ( UFOs ). To be more precise, UFOs are transports capable of flight that have been constructed by alien beings, and are possibly but not necessarily piloted by them.

Aliens may or may not be EBEs. They could be machine AIs or biologically identical to humans. Of all these possibilities the only thing I personally believe is that UFOs are real and have been observed and/or detected by some people here on Earth, and I'm only 100% about one of those people ( myself ). Beyond that it's not reasonable to believe nobody else has had a similar or better sighting, but I haven't seen sufficient evidence to say with certainty who those individual people are.