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An excellent case, [USER=7590]@Sand[/USER]. The question that arises for me is why so many people who follow the ufo subject in our time do not seem to know how many similar sightings over water -- reservoirs, lakes, and oceans -- were reported over the last six or seven decades, cases in which multiple witnesses described an anomalous flying, hovering, and brightly lighted object that cast beams downward into the water, disturbed the water's surface or cracked the ice at the surface of the water, and appeared to be drawing water upward into itself.

Granted that there's a lot to read from the written history of ufo sightings and events, accumulated in official governmental and military records and in research reported by private ufo researchers. But I think it's obvious that anyone who hasn't spent the time required to read and absorb all of this historical material has no grounds for claiming that all of the past accumulation of information concerning ufos should be ignored at this point and that the 'debate' should be "reframed" -- as if the last seventy years of ufo experience never happened. That currently popular position is in my view absurd. That would be bad enough if it were not also the case that this 'reframing' of the subject enables many contemporary internet followers of the subject to fail to do the work necessary to understand the detailed history of the modern ufo phenomena.

<blockquote data-quote="Constance" data-source="post: 267140" data-attributes="member: 6124">An excellent case, [USER=7590]@Sand[/USER].&nbsp; The question that arises for me is why so many people who follow the ufo subject in our time do not seem to know how many similar sightings over water -- reservoirs, lakes, and oceans -- were reported over the last six or seven decades, cases in which multiple witnesses described an anomalous flying, hovering, and brightly lighted object that cast beams downward into the water, disturbed the water&#039;s surface or cracked the ice at the surface of the water, and appeared to be drawing water upward into itself. Granted that there&#039;s a lot to read from the written history of ufo sightings and events, accumulated in official governmental and military records and in research reported by private ufo researchers.&nbsp; But I think it&#039;s obvious that anyone who hasn&#039;t spent the time required to read and absorb all of this historical material has no grounds for claiming that all of the past accumulation of information concerning ufos should be ignored at this point and that the &#039;debate&#039; should be &quot;reframed&quot; -- as if the last seventy years of ufo experience never happened.&nbsp; That currently popular position is in my view absurd.&nbsp; That would be bad enough if it were not also the case that this &#039;reframing&#039; of the subject enables many contemporary internet followers of the subject to fail to do the work necessary to understand the detailed history of the modern ufo phenomena.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Constance, post: 267140, member: 6124"] An excellent case, [USER=7590]@Sand[/USER]. The question that arises for me is why so many people who follow the ufo subject in our time do not seem to know how many similar sightings over water -- reservoirs, lakes, and oceans -- were reported over the last six or seven decades, cases in which multiple witnesses described an anomalous flying, hovering, and brightly lighted object that cast beams downward into the water, disturbed the water's surface or cracked the ice at the surface of the water, and appeared to be drawing water upward into itself. Granted that there's a lot to read from the written history of ufo sightings and events, accumulated in official governmental and military records and in research reported by private ufo researchers. But I think it's obvious that anyone who hasn't spent the time required to read and absorb all of this historical material has no grounds for claiming that all of the past accumulation of information concerning ufos should be ignored at this point and that the 'debate' should be "reframed" -- as if the last seventy years of ufo experience never happened. That currently popular position is in my view absurd. That would be bad enough if it were not also the case that this 'reframing' of the subject enables many contemporary internet followers of the subject to fail to do the work necessary to understand the detailed history of the modern ufo phenomena. [/QUOTE]

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