The Idiocy of the Disclosure Movement

[Frank Warren]

Greeting Forumerions,

Robert Salas (Capt, USAF, ret and former Missileer ), takes the so-called (UFO) disclosure movement and its proponents to task in his article, "The Idiocy of the Disclosure Movement":

The so-called Disclosure Project apparently has the same objective as Gary McKinnon had when he, reportedly ‘broke-into’ some government computer files: To discover what the government knows about the UFO phenomenon. Both efforts have been met with frustration and disappointment.

Stephen Bassett’s (or Steven Greer’s depending on which one is talking) Disclosure Project has been ineffectually trying to penetrate that door of secrecy since 2001. They have presumably tried to achieve disclosure by enticing speakers (myself among them) to tell as many stories, theories, philosophies, reports, and conjectures as possible during these conferences. I say presumably because these pointless exercises have been so ineffective in gaining serious public attention that one might conclude they were intentionally designed to keep disclosure from happening.

The rest of the story . . .


Cheers,
Frank

 

[Gareth]

This quote is interesting;

I say presumably because these pointless exercises have been so ineffective in gaining serious public attention that one might conclude they were intentionally designed to keep disclosure from happening.

For a while now I have thought that there is something suspicious about Greer. Could very well be hes working for the other side

 

[Double Nought Spy]

Someone said something similar about Salla here recently. Whatever institution gave that dingbat a PhD has some explaining to do. Anyway, it's interesting to look at the behavior of those idiots in the context of disinformation. Either way, they are doing great harm to the "movement" they supposedly work for.

 

[Kandinsky]

The Disclosure Project is populated by intelligent and educated people. They couldn't gain the level of education without critical thinking and a reasonable method of research. I point this out because it contrasts with their apparent lack of any such abilities. The recent X-Conference featured images of the 'drones (hoax)' and images from the Clark McLelland (hoax/ fraud) site. They use 'witnesses' that have been demonstrated to be dishonest. If they genuinely had an above average interest in UFOs, it's impossible not to know that the drones, Sgt Cliff et al, McLelland etc are not evidence. In that light, they must know that they're presenting BS for $$$. There's more than enough good witnesses, statements, documents, images and videos to support a full conference. Their insistence on mixing in so much garbage makes them very suspect. They're raking in money, but I think that, somewhere behind the scenes, someone is directing this circus. It has all the hallmarks of a project to muddy the waters even more than they already are.

 

[Sean Elifritz]

Someone said something similar about Salla here recently. Whatever institution gave that dingbat a PhD has some explaining to do. Anyway, it's interesting to look at the behavior of those idiots in the context of disinformation. Either way, they are doing great harm to the "movement" they supposedly work for.

Are you talking about Robert Salas or Michael Salla? The names are pretty similar and they get mixed up sometimes.

 

[Double Nought Spy]

Michael Salla.

Aloha!

 

[Trajanus]

They're raking in money, but I think that, somewhere behind the scenes, someone is directing this circus.

Considering the number of years this has been going on, and the number of people involved, I'd assume it's not just an individual but a hyper-secret organization that's behind it.

 

[ondafritz]

Frank...
Thanks for starting this thread. I read Capt. Salas' column and I was going to post it (with link) today.

Excellent work and a excellent website.
Also... excellent show last week.

 

[Frank Warren]

Good Day Ondafritz,

Thanks for the kind words! It's very much appreciated . . ..

As you might guess Bob's piece has started a shit storm! Stay tuned there's more comin'!

Cheers.
Frank

 

[Sean Elifritz]

Michael Salla.

Aloha!

OK, I figured that's who you meant but just wanted to make sure. I don't know much about the guy but I'm hearing he's part of the fruit loop brigade. I haven't been into ufology the last few years as much as I use to be but have been getting very interested again. Back when I was very, very hooked the people who were raising eyebrows for their antics were guys like Robert Dean, Wendel Stevens, Jim Marrs, John Lear, etc. Lately I see that it appears to be a few different characters who are getting the bulk of dirty looks cast their way.

 

[Double Nought Spy]

I was lurking on the UFO Updates site when Salla made his grand entrance onto the scene. What a dipshit! People like Stan Friedman made valiant efforts to reason with him and his retarded buddies, but they finally had to toss the morons out. It's getting harder and harder for me to buy their bullshit as being anything but disinformation, but then humans of good will and reasonable intelligence are alla time underestimating the stupidity that can be found in other humans. Next they will be adopting Isaac of Dronish Imbecility as one of their "whistleblowers." What a pitiful bunch of clowns.

 

[urkotic]

Somebody help me out here. Is the concept of the 'Disclosure Movement' based on these ideas:

- UFOs are technological artifacts operating around our planet
- these artifacts are craft that are extraterrestrial in origin
- the nature of the extraterrestrials is such that communication with them and even some level of 'diplomacy' is possible
- several if not all world governments, perhaps in concert, have clandestine knowledge of, intermittent to ongoing communication with, and possibly even something like working relationships with these extraterrestrials
- a key feature of the knowledge of / contact with extraterrestrials is revelations about their technology... and this isn't like giving Moses a diagram of a pebble bed reactor, these are insights we could apply today
- some individuals currently or formerly employed by these governments have broken secrecy (publicly? not sure) to some extent and revealed what they personally know about the extraterrestrial knowledge and engagements of various world governments
- the 'Disclosure Movement' members have the testimony of these individuals, and/or some other unrevealed evidence or personal experiences (some members may be the individuals in the point above), that have driven them to operate as advocates the world governments end the secrecy and reveal all they know about the extraterrestrial reality, and their technology which may solve all problems forever
- this revelation, or 'disclosure', if you will, is the single most critical political issue of all time and makes the 'Disclosure Movement' overwhelmingly important and highly deserving of your rapt attention, acclaim, and cash donations

Is that about it? Am I overstating things? Did I leave some key assumptions out? It is OK to not give a shit, just thought I'd ask. I couldn't make it through the 'Hysteria article' where Salla calls out 'Paracast Radio' and others but my impression is to be on board with him, you need to be pretty thoroughly indoctrinated in all of the above points.

 

[Trajanus]

Somebody help me out here. Is the concept of the 'Disclosure Movement' based on these ideas:

- UFOs are technological artifacts operating around our planet
- these artifacts are craft that are extraterrestrial in origin

Yes.

- the nature of the extraterrestrials is such that communication with them and even some level of 'diplomacy' is possible

Not necessarily. Governments allegedly have the technology and maybe even the ability to master it, but contact/communication aren't assumed, AFAIK.

- several if not all world governments, perhaps in concert, have clandestine knowledge of, intermittent to ongoing communication with, and possibly even something like working relationships with these extraterrestrials

Maybe only several, and only knowledge. Most if not all of the knowledge is derived fom crashes of ET vessels. According to most accounts, all/virtually all occupants involved didn't survive, and even survivors were in bad shape--or escaped.

- a key feature of the knowledge of / contact with extraterrestrials is revelations about their technology... and this isn't like giving Moses a diagram of a pebble bed reactor, these are insights we could apply today

According to Greer yes.

- some individuals currently or formerly employed by these governments have broken secrecy (publicly? not sure) to some extent and revealed what they personally know about the extraterrestrial knowledge and engagements of various world governments

That's the line, yes.

- the 'Disclosure Movement' members have the testimony of these individuals, and/or some other unrevealed evidence or personal experiences (some members may be the individuals in the point above), that have driven them to operate as advocates the world governments end the secrecy and reveal all they know about the extraterrestrial reality, and their technology which may solve all problems forever
- this revelation, or 'disclosure', if you will, is the single most critical political issue of all time and makes the 'Disclosure Movement' overwhelmingly important and highly deserving of your rapt attention, acclaim, and cash donations

Yep.

 

[Double Nought Spy]

These clowns need a snazzy Latin motto. Maybe someone who knows a bit of Latin can come up with a translation for "Truth Through Bullshit" or maybe "Finding Truth in a Steaming Pile of Lies," something along those lines.

 

[Schuyler]

These clowns need a snazzy Latin motto. Maybe someone who knows a bit of Latin can come up with a translation for "Truth Through Bullshit" or maybe "Finding Truth in a Steaming Pile of Lies," something along those lines.

"Veritas via Merda" should work.

'Veritas' = "Truth" and "Merda" = "excrement" "via" is, well, via. You could also use 'excreta' in place of 'merda' which might be more recognizable by English speakers. I might have my Latin tenses wrong--but I don't give a shit.

"Veritas via excreta"

 

[ondafritz]

"Veritas via Merda" should work.

'Veritas' = "Truth" and "Merda" = "excrement" "via" is, well, via. You could also use 'excreta' in place of 'merda' which might be more recognizable by English speakers. I might have my Latin tenses wrong--but I don't give a shit.

"Veritas via excreta"

I like it!

 

[Gene Steinberg]

So here's the deal with the hysteria raised by the Exopolitics loonies:

UFO disclosure has failed for the past six decades. They blame serious Ufologists, but the real sources of the blame fall upon many parties, including the media that treats the subject as entertainment and the lunatic fringe, which treats it as a divine movement.

So, the Exopolitics people decide to jump into the fray, demonize the serious researchers, and respond with their own modern-day lunatic fringe. Yeah, that'll do it -- but not what they expect!