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The Paracast with Dr. Roger Leir - Jun 17 07 - NO DERREL SIMs Q's?

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Miah

Miah

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Dr. Leir seems to be the closest anyone is to proving something extraterrestrial with the materials he gets from bodies and possibly the Roswell piece. The radio frequency coming from the implants claims are very intriguing (30.012732mhz).

Then the allegations from Darrel Sims that he didn't discover the implants (Sims did), they were in a corporate partnership together, he stole information that got put in Whitney Strieber books, stole implants from Sims, got a fine and 3 years probation for malpractice...

You said you would question Leir about all of this on the show, and yet you didn't? Very disappointed in you guys there. :mad:

I hope David at least really does follow up with another place to have the materials tested.
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I haven't listened to the show yet, but I'm surprised they didn't mention some of the things Sims said. I figured that was why they had Leir on this time around.
 
A.LeClair said:
I haven't listened to the show yet, but I'm surprised they didn't mention some of the things Sims said. I figured that was why they had Leir on this time around.
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We'll talk about this more on the show, but Dr. Leir made it quite clear before that episode that he didn't want to get involved in personalities. So demanding he do so would serve little purpose.

Besides, he had a lot of information to offer about his investigations, and we felt that was a lot more important than the petty squabbles that engulf Ufology.
 
Let's pretend that the issue was brought up....

Gene: Dr. Leir, how do you spell hoax????

Dr. Leir: Derrel Sims! What a friggin' loud mouth who regurgitates a lot but really says nothing!
 
You're right about this. I think they liked this guy or were at least familiar with him. I suppose knowing/liking someone does make it harder for David, Gene or anyone to ask somebody about such ugly allegations. This is understandable, but those allegations really put into question Leir's work so I think it would have been fair to ask.
 
Brian Now said:
You're right about this. I think they liked this guy or were at least familiar with him. I suppose knowing/liking someone does make it harder for David, Gene or anyone to ask somebody about such ugly allegations. This is understandable, but those allegations really put into question Leir's work so I think it would have been fair to ask.
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I agree! Here is my point, I like this show so much because these guys actually point out B.S. when they know they are hearing it. I am sick to death of all of the crap that is being spread in this field. I can see why credible researchers are getting fed up and leaving. This field of research is in complete disarray. And until the credible members of this research call on the carpet the idiots who pass themselves off as "researchers" then no one is going to take this subject seriously. I say let the chips fall where they may and it may actually be what it needs.
 
I 100% agree that if these allegations were to prove true then it would put all of Leir's credibility and works in the mud. None of the other stuff he said matters if he is a big fraud afterall.

I think this must be addressed, and it is a real shame to see this opportunity passed up.

Gene Steinberg said:
We'll talk about this more on the show, but Dr. Leir made it quite clear before that episode that he didn't want to get involved in personalities. So demanding he do so would serve little purpose.
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That never stopped you guys in the past with Meir, Greer, Sereda and others. I've heard you guys even ask tougher questions of Friedman who is the most highly regarded Ufologist.
 
Miah said:
I 100% agree that if these allegations were to prove true then it would put all of Leir's credibility and works in the mud. None of the other stuff he said matters if he is a big fraud afterall.

I think this must be addressed, and it is a real shame to see this opportunity passed up.

That never stopped you guys in the past with Meir, Greer, Sereda and others. I've heard you guys even ask tougher questions of Friedman who is the most highly regarded Ufologist.
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It comes down to this: Sims is making allegations without evidence. It would end up being a he said/he denied discussion. The closest Dr. Leir came to anything mentioned by Sims is the admission that he had an issue with regard to his license to practice that he attributed to harassment because of his UFO investigations.

So what do you think we'd gain by such questioning? Do you think Dr. Leir would admit to wrongdoing -- or just deny what Sims says and be done with it? I think the questioning would be pointless, really.
 
Gene Steinberg said:
It comes down to this: Sims is making allegations without evidence. It would end up being a he said/he denied discussion. The closest Dr. Leir came to anything mentioned by Sims is the admission that he had an issue with regard to his license to practice that he attributed to harassment because of his UFO investigations.

So what do you think we'd gain by such questioning? Do you think Dr. Leir would admit to wrongdoing -- or just deny what Sims says and be done with it? I think the questioning would be pointless, really.
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If they were in a corporate business relationship alone it would prove some of the allegations. I guess we'll never know what his response would have been. :mad:
 
Miah said:
If they were in a corporate business relationship alone it would prove some of the allegations. I guess we'll never know what his response would have been. :mad:
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Only if there is written documentation to confirm one person's claim or the other. Otherwise it's still a claim/denial sort of thing.
 
One of the ways to get at evidence to support or refute Sim's claims was to ask Roger.

I'll try to find out about whether or not Sims is full of it. I'll post my findings. Give me a few days.
 
A.LeClair said:
One of the ways to get at evidence to support or refute Sim's claims was to ask Roger.

I'll try to find out about whether or not Sims is full of it. I'll post my findings. Give me a few days.
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It's a bit of constructive criticism, The Paracast is still doing an outstanding job of separating the BS from reality. Just dropped the ball here IMHO.

Look forward to your results LeClair, let me know if I can assist in any way.
 
I listened to the show, and thought it was on par with pretty much the Sims discussion.

The issue with Leir, is that had he gotten into specifics he most likely would have made himself look like a total jackass on the air.

To be honest, I personally would like to hear Leir's side of the story, unedited. The reason is that there's a lot of Derrell Sims stories out there that have been documented.

I have one particular e-mail from Sims that will literally floor anyone who sees it. It is by far and away the most bizarre things I've ever gotten in an e-mail. To be honest, I don't think that a lot of people in the UFO community should be taken seriously.

I've come to one very striking conclusion. Every single researcher who does good work, is marginalized. Every single researcher who goes crazy, gets paid to do so. The people who are normal, who aren't in it for the money, you should pay attention to. The others... Not so much.
 
Tommy Allison said:
I have one particular e-mail from Sims that will literally floor anyone who sees it. It is by far and away the most bizarre things I've ever gotten in an e-mail.
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Do share! :p
 
I really can't. It's one of those things that must be seen at my house.

Seriously. If I were to forward it to you, you'd think I was kidding around.
 
Tommy Allison said:
I really can't. It's one of those things that must be seen at my house.

Seriously. If I were to forward it to you, you'd think I was kidding around.
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I don't mean to sound rude or anything, but why bring this up on a public forum if you aren't willing to show it?
 
Miah said:
It's a bit of constructive criticism, The Paracast is still doing an outstanding job of separating the BS from reality. Just dropped the ball here IMHO.

Look forward to your results LeClair, let me know if I can assist in any way.
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Ok, I came up with nothing doing my own search on the net, so I contacted Stanton Friedman, and he replied to my inquiry about Sims stating that Leir lost his license etc. His reply was,

"A question had come up. But when I checked Roger still had his license to practice. He and Derril had a serious falling out. I prefer Roger.
Stan"

In another exchange Stan told me he has a new book coming out on the Hill case. Bruce M. did the foreword.
 
http://www.csicop.org/klassfiles/SUN-41.html
"Leir said he had given the objects to Derrel Sims, his partner in the investigation, who had provided the names of the two subjects. Sims, a member of the Houston UFO Network (HUFON), has acquired a "controversial" reputation in the UFO-abduction research field in which he specializes. Leir said that he and Sims have formed a non-profit organization to raise funds to investigate "alien implants." The organization is called F.I.R.S.T. (Fund for Interactive Research in Space Technology)."

http://69.89.27.240/~thehous9/alienhunter/derrel's_bio.htm
"His discoveries of the alleged alien implantation (Circa 1960) and Fluorescence(Circa 1992) found on abductees due to contact by the alien entities are but two finds that his Medical/Scientific Dream Team explores."

ufocom.org - This website is for sale! - Ufo Resources and Information.
"Dr Leir got into deep trouble in 1999. I just recall here the scenario:
- On April 23, Leir received an advice of the California Medical Board which dug an old, forgotten complaint made ten years before, and put him on probation during three years.
It appeared that the complainant had died five years before, and that the hospital where the surgery had taken place had been closed for seven years, with no records available !
Shortly after, his partner Derrel Sims, who had been increasingly critical of him, broke their agreement (April 26).
- In May 1999, Leir had a heart attack, due to stress according to the doctors. He was in great danger, because surgery was impossible, Leir having had already by-pass operations in the heart. In June, Derrel Sims made an urgent appeal for help, especially financial help becauce Roger Leir was in deep trouble, with heavy medical bills and no income.

During the following months, Leir made it through. He was able to come to the Leeds Conference in September 1999, where I met him. He told me he had well recovered, and that his medical probation had been cancelled."

Archives of their F.I.R.S.T. website here:
Internet Archive Wayback Machine
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Brian Now said:
I don't mean to sound rude or anything, but why bring this up on a public forum if you aren't willing to show it?
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Because seriously, if I were to post it, Sims or his supporters would rail on me for it.

Anyone can edit anything to fit their needs. I'd rather people see it in person at my place so they can see for themselves it wasn't edited.
 
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