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The Shining- Kubrick faked moon landings

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Just watched the documentary Room 237. Of the many interpretations of the Shining's themes and interpretations of the hidden symbolism within the film one of the more interesting theories was the one postulated that Kubrick makes a direct reference to the Apollo moon landing in some sort of disclosure.

There are a lot of clutching at straws theories in this film but there is also some tangible puzzle code deciphering too which makes this an entertaining little film.
 
I loved this documentary as well nameless. I don't subscribe to the moon landing aspect of it however Kubrick definitely orchestrates every single image in that film, if he wanted us to see it he put it in. Like Jacks character reading a Playgirl magazine in the hotel lobby hinting at something more then just abuse towards his son, the impossible window in the managers office, the wreck on the highway of the red VW bug, those are all totally hidden in plain sight messages.
 
Well, there was no faked moon landing so any Apollo mission references in the film is just Kubrick having some fun. Those stories were around way back then and he was aware of them.

Eyes Wide Shut is the better movie and the one that absolutely contains a lot of coded references with a point beyond tweaking the audience and making corny jokes. It's Kubrick's ode to classical mythology, a fitting last movie for the modern day mythmaker. Look for those clues and you'll find them, it's a lot of fun.
 
Ok, hold up. Eyes Wide Shut is a better film than The Shining? My understanding of his final path was that he needed to make some money making pofitable films with stars, before anyone would provide for the super production expenses that A.I. would entail. While Eyes Wide Shut, like all his flicks, are well researched, thoroughly influenced by myth and painting and music, I don't see it as a strong part of the Kubrick canon compared to those that came after the disowned movies.

I've been wanting to see Room 237; it sounds very entertaining. But I'm not really entirely there for the obsessive Talmudic approach to reading cinema like it's an MJ12 document collection. Some events are not always calculated meaning, so much as consequences of production costs and efficiencies.

Kubrick, if anything, displays his penchant for sociology and integrates contemporary cultural concerns into his films, but giving out code for supposed faked moon landings does not strike me as something that even comes close to his artistic process.
 
You should watch Eyes Wide Shut again. Like a lot of Kubrick's films, it's gained in esteem over the years.

I don't doubt that Kubrick did deliberately put a few things into The Shining to give conspiracy buffs something to muse over. I've seen youtube pieces before with a similar them and they are entertaining. Same with EWS, claiming Kubrick was killed because he exposed Illuminati secrets. That's ridiculous of course, but EWS isn't influenced by myth, it is a mythological tale set in a timeless, quasi-real modern day world.
 
i agree Eyes wide shut is an enigma wrapped in a puzzle wrapped in a chocolate box wrapped .. wait a minute..
is an enigma wrapped in puzzle, wrapped in a riddle wrapped in a question.. wait..
ah forget it
 
anyways The Shining book is a really good story about alcoholism. But Kubrick turned it into a microcosmic/macrocosmic commentary on Western Imperialism/Male sexual aggressive dysfunction.
 
You should watch Eyes Wide Shut again. Like a lot of Kubrick's films, it's gained in esteem over the years.

I don't doubt that Kubrick did deliberately put a few things into The Shining to give conspiracy buffs something to muse over. I've seen youtube pieces before with a similar them and they are entertaining. Same with EWS, claiming Kubrick was killed because he exposed Illuminati secrets. That's ridiculous of course, but EWS isn't influenced by myth, it is a mythological tale set in a timeless, quasi-real modern day world.

unfortunately/perfectly Kubrick died before it was finished thus inadvertently adding even more contextual definition to the underlying meanings to this film. He never saw the final version released to the public after censorship. I guess he died having only seen the only truly intended version.
 
Ok, hold up. Eyes Wide Shut is a better film than The Shining? My understanding of his final path was that he needed to make some money making pofitable films with stars, before anyone would provide for the super production expenses that A.I. would entail. While Eyes Wide Shut, like all his flicks, are well researched, thoroughly influenced by myth and painting and music, I don't see it as a strong part of the Kubrick canon compared to those that came after the disowned movies.


The film is called eyes wide Shut for a reason! The use of Cruise and Kidman is deliberate. He painted with actors, and all the gravitas, baggage, context, history and catalogue they bring with them. There is no doubt that Cruise's affiliation to scientology plays a part in the outlying/underlying meta narrative that the film itself "masks".
 
Of course! The title refers to Doctor Bill (get it?) not seeing he's married to a goddess. Note the classic columns framing the goddess . . . .

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In the room with the peace pipe tin there is a carboard box prominently displayed with the number 00141939 written on it. So for a joke i put it in google to see what comes up and found this; fits perfectly:

Address Delivered by President Roosevelt to the Congress, January 4, 1939, [Extract]


In reporting on the state of the Nation, I have felt it necessary on previous occasions to advise the Congress of disturbance abroad and of the need of putting our own house in order in the face of storm signals from across the seas. As this Seventy-sixth Congress open. there is need for further warning.
A war which threatened to envelop the world in dames has been averted, but it has become increasingly clear that peace is not assured.
All about us rage undeclared wars-military and economic. All about us grow more deadly armaments-military and economic. All about us are threats of new aggression-military and economic.
Storms from abroad directly challenge three institutions indispensable to Americans, now as always. The first is religion. It is the source of the other two-democracy and international good faith.
Religion, by teaching man his relationship to God, gives the individual a sense of his own dignity and teaches him to respect himself by respecting his neighbors.
Democracy, the practice of self-government, is a covenant among free men to respect the rights and liberties of their fellows.
International good faith, a sister of democracy, springs from the will of civilized nations of men to respect the rights and liberties of other nations of men.
In a modern civilization, all three-religion, democracy, and international good faith-complement each other.
Where freedom of religion has been attacked, the attack has come from sources opposed to democracy. Where democracy has been overthrown, the spirit of free worship has disappeared. And where religion and democracy have vanished, good faith and reason in international affairs have given way to strident ambition and brute force.
An ordering of society which relegates religion, democracy, and good faith among nations to the background can find no place within it for the ideals of the Prince of Peace. The United States rejects such an ordering and retains its ancient faith.
There comes a time in the affairs of men when they must prepare to defend not their homes alone but the tenets of faith and humanity on which their churches, their governments, and their very civilization are founded. The defense of religion, of democracy, and of good faith among nations is all the same fight. To save one we must now make up our minds to save all.
We know what might happen to us of the United States if the new philosophies of force were to encompass the other continents and invade our own. We, no more than other nations, can afford to be surrounded by the enemies of our faith and our humanity. Fortunate it is, therefore, that in this Western Hemisphere we have, under a common ideal of democratic government, a rich diversity of resources and of peoples functioning together in mutual respect and peace.
That hemisphere, that peace, and that ideal we propose to do our share in protecting against storms from any quarter. Our people and our resources are pledged to secure that protection. From that determination no American flinches.
This by no means implies that the American Republics disassociate themselves from the nations of other continents-it does not mean the Americas against the rest of the world. We as one of the Republics reiterate our willingness to help the cause of world peace. We stand on our historic offer to take counsel with all other nations of the world to the end that aggression among them be terminated, that the race of armaments cease and that commerce be renewed.
But the world has grown so small and weapons of attack so swift that no nation can be safe in its will to peace so long as any other single powerful nation refuses to settle its grievances at the council table.

For if any government bristling with implements of war insists on policies of force, weapons of defense give the only safety.
In our foreign relations we have learned from the past what not to do. From new wars we have learned what we must do.
We have learned that effective timing of defense, and the distant points from which attacks may be launched are completely different from what they were 20 years ago.
We have learned that survival cannot be guaranteed by arming after the attack begins-for there is new range and speed to offense.
We have learned that long before any overt military act, aggression begins with preliminaries of propaganda, subsidized penetration, the loosening of ties of good will, the stirring of prejudice, and the incitement to disunion.
We have learned that God-fearing democracies of the world which observe the sanctity of treaties and good faith in their dealings with other nations cannot safely be indifferent to international lawlessness anywhere. They cannot forever let pass, without effective protest, acts of aggression against sister nations-acts which automatically undermine all of us.
Obviously they must proceed along practical, peaceful lines. But the mere fact that we rightly decline to intervene with arms to prevent acts of aggression does not mean that we must act as if there were no aggression at all. Words may be futile, but war is not the only means of commanding a decent respect for the opinions of mankind. There are many methods short of war, but stronger and more effective than mere words, of bringing home to aggressor governments the aggregate sentiments of our own people.
At the very least, we can and should avoid any action, or any lack of action, which will encourage, assist, or build up an aggressor. We have learned that when we deliberately try to legislate neutrality, our neutrality laws may operate unevenly and unfairly-may actually give aid to an aggressor and deny it to the victim. The instinct of self-preservation should warn us that we ought not to let that happen any more.
And we have learned something else-the old, old lesson that probability of attack is mightily decreased by the assurance of an ever ready defense. Since 1931 world events of thunderous import have moved with lightning speed. During these 8 years many of our people clung to the hope that the innate decency of mankind would protect the unprepared who showed their innate trust in mankind. Today we are all wiser-and sadder.
Under modern conditions what we mean by "adequate defense"-a policy subscribed to by all-must be divided into three elements. First we must have armed forces and defenses strong enough to ward off sudden attack against strategic positions and key facilities essential to ensure sustained resistance and ultimate victory. Secondly, we must have the organization and location of those key facilities so that they may be immediately utilized and rapidly expanded to meet all needs without danger of serious interruption by enemy attack.
In the course of a few days I shall send you a special message making recommendations for those two essentials of defense against danger which we cannot safely assume will not come.
If these first two essentials are reasonably provided for, we must be able confidently to invoke the third element, the underlying strength of citizenship-the self-confidence, the ability, the imagination, and the devotion that give the staying power to see things through.
A strong and united nation may be destroyed if it is unprepared against sudden attack. But even a nation well armed and well organized from a strictly military standpoint, may, after a period of time, meet defeat if it is unnerved by self-distrust, endangered by class prejudice, by dissension between capital and labor, by false economy, and by other unsolved social problems at home.
In meeting the troubles of the world we must meet them as one people-with a unity born of the fact that for generations those who have come to our shores, representing many kindreds and tongues, have been welded by common opportunity into a united patriotism. If another form of government can present a united front in its attack on a democracy, the attack must be met by a united democracy. Such a democracy can and must exist in the United States.
A dictatorship may command the full strength of a regimented nation. But the united strength of a democratic nation can be mustered only when its people, educated by modern standards to know what is going on and where they are going, have conviction that they are receiving as large a share of opportunity for development, as large a share of material success and of human dignity, as they have a right to receive.
Our Nation's program of social and economic reform is therefore a part of defense as basic as armaments themselves.

Source: U.S., Department of State, Publication 1983, Peace and War: United States Foreign Policy, 1931-1941 (Washington, D.C.: U.S., Government Printing Office, 1943, pp. 447-50
 
@frank,EWS I'm gonna have to watch this film again with new eyes.

I'm enough of a mythology buff, hardly an expert but a buff, that I eventually saw a lot of things that fit. Even on first watch I got that it was Bill's Odyssey, yeah he is Odysseus for purposes of this story, but there are a ton more references, some pretty slick with character names and such. The plot itself follows the classic Campbell hero cycle to a T.
 
There are a lot of clutching at straws theories in this film but there is also some tangible puzzle code deciphering too which makes this an entertaining little film.
I held off watching Room 237 because The Shining is one of my favorite movies, and over analyzing it may ruin it for me. Though since it's theatrical release I've probably watched it once a year, give or take. Maybe it's time to take a deeper look. I'll check it out.
 
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