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The Smoking Gun In The Cattle Mutilation Enigma?

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Fascinating article about bovine hemoglobin, which is found in a solid form, on tissue samples of excisions in mutilated animals. Which rules out completely, many of the bullshit reasons and pitiful excuses we've been spoonfed to believe. For the simple matter that pure bovine hemoglobin is: 1) Impossible to extract out of the blood without specific laboratory processes and equipment. 2) Impossible to form into a solid that resembles an old black piece of bakelite.
This kills the ol' Satanic Surgeon Cults hypo.
http://www.paranormalnews.com/article.asp?ArticleID=1116
 
thefoundryman said:
Fascinating article about bovine hemoglobin, which is found in a solid form, on tissue samples of excisions in mutilated animals. Which rules out completely, many of the bullshit reasons and pitiful excuses we've been spoonfed to believe. For the simple matter that pure bovine hemoglobin is: 1) Impossible to extract out of the blood without specific laboratory processes and equipment. 2) Impossible to form into a solid that resembles an old black piece of bakelite.
This kills the ol' Satanic Surgeon Cults hypo.
http://www.paranormalnews.com/article.asp?ArticleID=1116
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Without trying to put a 'skeptic' spin on things, I'm not entirely convinced by his 'evidence'. There a number of problems not least with the main protagonist himself.

The originator of the story W.C. Levengood may well be a doctor in biophysics, but he is also associated (I'm not use how much though) with this :
Archangel Michael -- Water of Life: A Gift from Archangel Michael

Which is dubious at the very least. I would also question his work in 'crop circles' see for instance :

Crop-Circle Plant Research by
Levengood​
; Investigative Files (Skeptical Briefs June 1996) among other refutation of his work.

The analytical chemist Phyllis Budinger has done other (see for instance :http://www.ufowatchdog.com/budinger.html) work in analyzing samples, but I would need a bit more proof than one scientist opinion. I cant seem to find the actual report online at the moment so reserve judgment on that part.

The excuse that other chemists 'refused' to look at them, seem to me to perpetuate a stereotypical myth that is common in this field, but I feel does not represent the reality of scientific inquiry. Surely he could have found one other chemist that could confirm/deny his findings (preferably a 'neutral' one that was not involved in UFO research)?

I haven't the time to dig deeper at the moment, but hopefully some else can.
 
As a guy who has cut the shit out of his hands and other places with extremely sharp knives and other implements of torture, I can tell you that some of this stuff in regards to cattle mutilations defies all logic.

Seriously, the whole cattle mutilation phenomena is unsettling because of so many of the things that have to happen.

First, you have to sneak up on a cow. Trust me, it's harder than you think.
Second, you need to get the cow to hold still while you exsanguinate it.
Then you have to have some kind of cutting device that not only cuts cleanly, but cauterizes the wound.
Then you have to be able to do all of this, without leaving so much as a foot print, and do it in less than 10 minutes.

There was an incident where a rancher and his wife were rounding up cattle, and had one of these very same events happen, RIGHT THERE WITH THEM!!! They saw nothing, and it was done in minutes after they saw the calf in question.

These are things that are so bizarre, and so unexplainable it's not even funny, but this is just the animal mutilations. There are people being mutilated too.
 
I totally agree with you, Wicro, that angel mikey foo-foo jazz aint my bag o' tea, but hey, don't shoot the messenger. Levengood's excuse if you will, is totally valid, chemists are in the business of certainty, so explain to me why any chemist would want to touch anything to do with the cow-choppin' goin on. I looked into Levengood's info from a few different sources and the guy has tons of peer-reviewed goodness. I do agree with the notion that a double-blind review of his crop-circle-crop testing may be needed. But hey, don't take my word for it I mean I'm no scientist, or CSICOP debunker for that matter.
 
thefoundryman said:
I totally agree with you, Wicro, that angel mikey foo-foo jazz aint my bag o' tea, but hey, don't shoot the messenger. Levengood's excuse if you will, is totally valid, chemists are in the business of certainty, so explain to me why any chemist would want to touch anything to do with the cow-choppin' goin on. I looked into Levengood's info from a few different sources and the guy has tons of peer-reviewed goodness. I do agree with the notion that a double-blind review of his crop-circle-crop testing may be needed. But hey, don't take my word for it I mean I'm no scientist, or CSICOP debunker for that matter.
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We'll have to agree to disagree foundryman, on the chemist issue (and I certainly did not mean to shoot the messenger!). In my opinion not being able to get one other chemist to substantiate his claims seems 'odd' when potentially it would prove hard evidence for his thesis. Could he just not mention the 'exotic' nature of the sample? That being said I have no claim to knowledge of the procedures that required to analysis the said samples, so I certinatly cannot refute the data.

I suppose someone that associates himself with crop circles being anything other than 'man made', (which they are in my opinion) set alarm bells ringing for me , but it certainly looks interesting if he can gather more evidence.
 
Just a wee side story regarding cattle mutilation stories, in one of the Chris O'Brien interviews with Greg Bishop (I'm straining at this thinking it might have been somebody else being interviewed by someone other than Greg Bishop ... hehe :D) ... it was mentioned that an udder from a mutilated cow was found to be filled with sand!!! I'll have to listen to those interviews again ... but I nearly blew coffee through my nose hearing this. There are some really odd high strangeness occurrences when it comes to cattle mutilations.

[Oh and whoever it was that shortened it to "mute" or "mutes" or whatever should be strung up by their udders too :D. If it was you, Chris O'Brien then I shall withdraw all hat-wearing privileges from you for at least a week ... so there :D]
 
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