The Stanton Friedman interview and old stars

[Kevin Daly]

Just a note on the idea that old stars could be expected to be home to old civilisations (and variations on that idea): The oldest stars are not necessarily good locations. Our solar system benefits from having being formed largely from the débris of previous generations of stars - this includes the heavy metals and interesting materials that civilisation (and our biology) rely on. These elements wouldn't be available to the systems of early-generation stars.
Additionally, the densely populated (in terms of stars) parts of the galaxy are also arguably very hazardous to life, since there's a) an awful lot of large objects crashing through the neighbourhood , and b) lots of not-necessarily-healthy radiation.

In other words, being out here doesn't necessarily place us in the boondocks. 8)

 

[sk4p]

Essentially I concur. Let's consider something: How small would the variations be in evolutionary processes, the right chimp meeting the right orangutan, etc. the right collection of balls of rock accreting, etc. for us to have put a sentient being on the Moon just 500 years earlier or later? Just by looking at stars (and the limited amount we can presently know about their planets), you're not going to know exactly how far along any civilization is.

Let's suppose for the sake of argument that the Hill Abduction case "really happened", that is, was really some ethically-questionable experimentation done by flesh-and-blood beings from Zeta Reticuli visiting in a nuts-and-bolts spacecraft. How much more advanced must they be than us? 500 years? Maybe someone comes up with faster than light travel 250 years from now, at which point I suspect everything else is fairly easy. (They could probably work out our language by eavesdropping on our communications for a few decades.)

There is no technique in astronomy that would let us look at a star and say "If it has sentient life, it will be 500 years more advanced than us, because that star has a 500 year head start on Sol." Even if you could measure the star's age with that confidence ... no. Too many variables.

Besides, old stars might be very bad for life. An advanced sentient race might say "If we wish to survive, we need to migrate to that star 80 ly away" and might actually be able to pull it off.

So yeah, while old stars are worth looking at, so are young ones. Always possibilities. Heck, a particularly advanced race might want to put some sort of outpost near younger stars. Energy collection (greater flux from a young blue star), anyone? Or simply doing research.

--Shawn

 

[Rocketsauce]

Good to hear you guys challenge Stanton on the dimensional aspect to the phenomena and it was interesting to hear he is not as close minded as we thought (like Bassett).

On a side note, that Amazon tribe that Stanton discussed, I believe turned out to be a big hoax. You can check on that, but that's what I recently remember reading.

I'm still very suspicious about a 'star map' in the Hill case, and would not be surprised if that was a Milab scenario. I was hoping you guys would ask him about that possibility.

I am also curious what Stanton thinks about the whole abduction thing as well as the high strangeness.

It was cool to hear the type of work Stanton used to be involved with in the nuclear propulsion and it was interesting to here his take on the whole 'free energy' topic. I still don't know what to think about the free energy stuff. If it's real it's probably way harder than Greer paints it out to be, but at the same time if it is real, I would not put it past the powers that be to keep it highly compartmentalized for selfish economic/political reasons. Are there any credible people out there who are knowledgible on this topic???

I think you guys should team up with Rittzman and Valiens and create a more formal network of paranormal radio shows under the Paracast umbrella network.

 

[mike]

his comments on technology reminded me of a part of Clarkes Childhood's End

to paraphrase its not long since we moved from steam technology to electrical technology, an engineer from the age of steam would see HD TVs computers etc as almost magical in the function, and should one of them try and open one of these devices to see what made them work ran a good chance of getting themselves killed doing so.

 

[Brian Now]

Good to hear you guys challenge Stanton on the dimensional aspect to the phenomena and it was interesting to hear he is not as close minded as we thought (like Bassett).

Well they talked it up before the break, but in the end didn't Friedman just say he was open to aliens having interdimensional travel rather than origin?

On a side note, that Amazon tribe that Stanton discussed, I believe turned out to be a big hoax. You can check on that, but that's what I recently remember reading.

I wouldn't be surprised if something is wrong with the story, but I haven't seen any negative articles on it yet.

The interview was interesting to listen to, especially after a guest like Greer. I'm glad Friedman is a go-to guy for many of the media outlets when it comes to UFOs. Better him than most others.

 

[CapnG]

Ah... sweet, refreshing sanity! Good ol' Stan... and a good interview, lots of ground covered, old misconceptions or misunderstandings largely resolved, clear-headed analysis of what's up in the media today, all around good stuff. THIS is why I love the paracast. Sure the hissie fits and looney-toons are fun but at the end of the day there's nothing quite like listening to rational, reasonable people having an educated discussion in an adult tone.

My only problem was David's need to bring up Greer again... several times. Just let it go, man... let it go. Take solace in the fact that at least the people who listen to this show (well MOST of them) aren't buying what he's selling and move on.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Although I don't always agree with Stan, I've known him for years, like him as a person, and always enjoy talking with him. He seemed somewhat looser this time and I think it was his best Paracast appearance.

 

[David Biedny]

Although I don't always agree with Stan, I've known him for years, like him as a person, and always enjoy talking with him. He seemed somewhat looser this time and I think it was his best Paracast appearance.

I would definitely have to agree with that - it was our best show show with him, hands down.

And, yes, I should have refrained from bringing up Greer again. I'll do my best to avoid him, but I'll make no promises...

dB

 

[karlemids]

Before listening to this show, i was convinced the UFO phenomenon was of the Interdimensional Hypothesis nature (Jacques Vallee), but now i'm not so sure.

Stanton's explanation for the Extraterrestrial Hypothesis, in that, for the traveller (UFO) travelling at the speed of light (or near), time would indeed slow down, making the Interplanetary Hypothesis theory still a plausable possibility.

Then we have Allen Greenfield, with his version of belief (spiritual manifestation?) adding to the mix.

It really is fascinating hearing these highly intelligent guys bouncing their different theories around - Surely one of the above theories hold the key to the UFO mystery.

Thank you for producing yet another highly interesting show.

 

[cottonzway]

This was the best interview on the Paracast with Stanton. I really enjoy that I LEARN something listening to him talk about physics and rocket building. He was fired up a bit too talking about a few people of "question" in the UFO "field."

A very good interview.

 

[Loose Leaf Tea]

Wow! First interview I'd heard where Stanton wasn't just quoting from his lecture notes for two hours. Being more "off topic", it was a chance to find out about the man. Fascinating. Well done, G & D.
Next time he's on, could you please asked Stanton if he was peeved not to be asked to participate in the highly rated study of the Hill case, the new-ish book, "Encounters at Indian Head".

I wonder if Stanton knows about the Kelloggs Free Energy Conspiracy scandal and the fact that Kelloggs have harnessed space energy for their own nefarious ends - see attached image.
Nasty, noisy breakfast munchers!

 

[Aaron LeClair]

If you watch one of the 2 flying saucers are real videos he's made (I can't recall which), it's clear he isn't a eth-cultist. I personally wouldn't care if he was.

I haven't listened to all the show yet, but so far enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would. Not that I don't like Stanton, but I know what he's going to say before he says it. I've followed his work so much for a little over 2 decades, was on a list with him etc, so most the times I've heard it all before and I'm bored these days listening to him. The fact I've listened to him so much should be a compliment btw. Again, I like him a lot.

 

[Aaron LeClair]

This was the best interview on the Paracast with Stanton. I really enjoy that I LEARN something listening to him talk about physics and rocket building. He was fired up a bit too talking about a few people of "question" in the UFO "field."

A very good interview.

In some of his vids he shows footage of stuff he's worked on and goes into greater detail. It's worth the money I think.

 

[Rocketsauce]

Well they talked it up before the break, but in the end didn't Friedman just say he was open to aliens having interdimensional travel rather than origin?



I wouldn't be surprised if something is wrong with the story, but I haven't seen any negative articles on it yet.

The interview was interesting to listen to, especially after a guest like Greer. I'm glad Friedman is a go-to guy for many of the media outlets when it comes to UFOs. Better him than most others.

It was on the front page of Yahoo news a couple weeks ago that it was a hoax here's one article that says it was - http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,23911019-948,00.html

But I just did a google search and now there are many stories saying it wasn't a hoax. So who knows, not something I will be keeping tabs on.

I don't remember the exact language about the dimensional stuff, but I took away that Stan was willing to consider that indeed there may be a dimensional aspect to the phenomena based in part on the long distances traveled. Although I don't think they specifically discussed dimensional "origins", having Stan discuss the possibility of these beings existing in another dimension while they travel is the first time I have personally heard him in an interview go outside the ETH/Zeta Reticula nuts and bolts theory.

 

[BrandonD]

Great show, I enjoyed it alot.

This thought lingered in my head afterwards: Doesn't it seem a bit ominous that when it comes to describing the complexity and strangeness of the ufo phenomenon as a whole, the closest analogous scenario we can grasp is the situation with the Native Americans in North America...

It just brings to mind the quote of Charles Fort: "I think we're property."

 

[dad2059]

Friedman is always a welcome follow-up after*...uurrpp...grreeerrr...*

Sorry about the floor guys.

Anyway, loved the nuclear engine story!

 

[Aaron LeClair]

Clips from the videos I mentioned can be found throughout this page called "Stanton Friedman on ufos". The vid is one of the Flying Saucers are Real vids though.
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=stanton+friedman&search_type=&aq=f

 

[Tommy Allison]

Stanton Friedman strikes me as the kind of physicist that you could go get a beer with, and have a great time playing darts against.

I think he should do an E-bay Auction, One Night With Stan. Drinks, Darts, and the damnedest UFO stories.

Seriously.

 

[Aaron LeClair]

Stanton Friedman strikes me as the kind of physicist that you could go get a beer with, and have a great time playing darts against.

I think he should do an E-bay Auction, One Night With Stan. Drinks, Darts, and the damnedest UFO stories.

Seriously.

I have a debate tape between Klass and Stan from the Art Bell show. Art say's I hear you two are drinking buddies at the beginning and Stan says, "Eating". I think Stan prefers food more so than beer lol.

 

[valiens]

It's interesting that Stan can talk about the arrogance of our species while still attributing any possible motives of "aliens" to human motives (maybe they're tourists; maybe they're students; maybe they're jail wardens). This is a subtle arrogant because it accomplishes the age-old trick we humans love to play of presupposing that wherever we are right now is the highest, correct place. Here, he's supposing that human consciousness as we experience it is all there is and anyone "out there" is going to act as an offshoot of it in terms we can understand. How is this different from the disclosure people with their galactic federation?