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[lancemoody]

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[Muadib]

In the article one of his neighbors claims that he suffers from PTSD so combine that with the conspiracy delusions and you get a recipe for disaster. I hope the little boy he took comes out of this ok, he already killed one person (the bus driver) let's hope it gets resolved before he can kill again.

 

[Muadib]

He seems to be doing everything Alex Jones is asking him to do.

Its been a long time since I've listened to anything from that kook but isn't that maybe going a bit too far? I don't remember him advocating killing anyone, though I wouldn't put it past him. Like I said, it's been awhile, so I'm not exactly up to speed on his latest psychotic rhetoric.

 

[Wade]

He seems to be doing everything Alex Jones is asking him to do.

Well that does put it a little bit more in perspective lance, but I did wonder how you equated someone who is mentally distributed/wacked with conspiratoralists (not sure this is even a word) I'd say this guy had more in common with the guys that give conspiracy theorists their rationalization, james holmes and adam lanza than someone who worships alex jones

Thank you for your bravery Charles Poland,

 

[Stagger Lee]

"some of the dumbassery" at least you're being selective

 

[pixelsmith]

FBI talking to suspect through pipe as Alabama hostage standoff enters 4th day - CNN.com

This is the danger of stupid conspiracy theorists. This is why I greet some of the dumbassery espoused by the conspiracy believers here in these forums with such disdain.

Edit: Make that GCN not GNC.

I would love to meet you in person one day.

 

[Christopher O'Brien]

I cringe to think about how Lance will respond to our next episode w/ the high-king of "parapolitics" Mr Conspiracy Theory himself, the venerable Kenn Thomas founder of Steamshoval Press, lol JFK, Inslaw, PROMIS, Maury Isl, Sandy's Hook and Hurricane, LIBOR, Shaver, Mass media mind-control, Jim Keith, 911, the list goes on & on *duck & cover* Yeah, we be

 

[pixelsmith]

Well that does put it a little bit more in perspective lance, but I did wonder how you equated someone who is mentally distributed/wacked with conspiratoralists (not sure this is even a word) I'd say this guy had more in common with the guys that give conspiracy theorists their rationalization, james holmes and adam lanza than someone who worships alex jones

Thank you for your bravery Charles Poland,

Killing the bus driver and taking the child as hostage is a horrible thing, it is too bad this veteran could not get the help he so obviously needed. It is entirely possible he found out about the false flag/conspiracy event that put him in Vietnam.

 

[pixelsmith]

"It is entirely possible he found out about the false flag/conspiracy event that put him in Vietnam."

I'm sure he did. He sounds every bit as smart as you.

I remember when you double-naught spy-ciphered how Obama's Birth certificate was false as well.

Lance

Yes I was skeptical... have you ever been skeptical? Are you saying all conspiracy theories are just theories and none ever come out as conspiracy fact?

 

[pixelsmith]

as I recall I debunked myself.

 

[pixelsmith]

I have always admitted when I was wrong. Would you prefer I didn't?

 

[pixelsmith]

In your world have any conspiracy theories ever been proven to be a conspiracy FACT?

 

[Muadib]

The Gulf of Tonkin incident, which is probably what Pixel is referring to as the "conspiracy" event that put this man in Vietnam, is by no means a settled issue. The commonly accepted theory is that there were 2 attacks, one real and one false, and that the NSA covered up the fact that they knew they were getting shoddy intel from the Seventh Fleet about the second attack and that Johnson then used both of the attacks as a pretext to escalate the war in Vietnam.

I'd like to point out that we were already in Vietnam and it's likely that the war would've escalated whether the Gulf of Tonkin ever happened or not, so saying it's the reason that this man was sent to Vietnam is just nonsense. Even if the second attack never happened, as has been stated by some politicians and members of the ship that was supposedly attacked, the Maddox, it doesn't qualify as a false flag attack because there was no attack.

You can read more about famous false flag attacks that were carried out and some that were suggested, but never acted upon, like Operation Northwoods, here:

False flag - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Notice there is no mention of the Gulf of Tonkin, because it doesn't qualify.

 

[pixelsmith]

As I understand it we had advisors in Vietnam but Johnson used the Gulf of Tonkin incident to send ground troops there in March of 1965.

“It was just confusion, and events afterwards showed that our judgment that we’d been attacked that day was wrong. It didn’t happen.” ~ Robert McNamara, Secretary of Defense in 1964

 

[Muadib]

As I understand it we had advisors in Vietnam but Johnson used the Gulf of Tonkin incident to send ground troops there in March of 1965.

Yeah that was the first induction of ground troops but chances are we would've gone there whether or not the Gulf of Tonkin happened and no matter how you look at it, there was no false flag attack. The first attack actually happened, its been admitted by the North Vietnamese, so that alone was enough pretext to escalate the war and even if the second attack never happened, and it is still debated, it doesn't qualify as a false flag attack because it wasn't staged, it just never happened.

 

[pixelsmith]

I am so relieved that our government has never lied to us, never staged a false flag event or ever even thought about it. Whew... thankfully we have lancemoody and muadib here to set the record straight about everything on the internet.

I would like to hear from both of them what (if any) conspiracy theories have become conspiracy fact.

 

[pixelsmith]

Yeah that was the first induction of ground troops but chances are we would've gone there whether or not the Gulf of Tonkin happened and no matter how you look at it, there was no false flag attack. The first attack actually happened, its been admitted by the North Vietnamese, so that alone was enough pretext to escalate the war and even if the second attack never happened, and it is still debated, it doesn't qualify as a false flag attack because it wasn't staged, it just never happened.

As I recall the LBJ presidential tapes that were declassified and released in 2001 proved that the Tonkin event never happened. But then I guess declassified tapes are probably all fake, right?

 

[Muadib]

This is from an excellent site called Thrive Debunked, in it, the guy who runs the site, and is also supposedly a history teacher(really whether he is or isn't is irrelevant because his analysis here is spot on), examines the claims of whether or not the Gulf of Tonkin got us into Vietnam, the answer is no.

Did the Gulf of Tonkin Incident Really “Get us into Vietnam?”
Historically speaking, the answer to this question is clearly no. By August 1964 the United States was already deeply involved in Vietnam. It is therefore a mischaracterization of history to assert that the Gulf of Tonkin incident caused the United States to enter the Vietnam war. It simply didn’t happen that way.
While obviously the point of this section of Thrive is not to engage in any sort of deep historical analysis, again the conclusion that Mr. Gamble invites with his words, and his selective presentation of the issues, is telling. Look at his exact words again: “It is a documented fact that we entered the Vietnam War under false pretenses.” It is not a documented fact, because it simply isn’t true. He’s playing games with the idea of when and under what circumstances the U.S. “entered the Vietnam War.”
I will again quote the Moise book, Tonkin Gulf and the Escalation of the Vietnam War. In the preface, Moise states:

“The incorrect report of August 4 did not really “cause” the outbreak of large-scale war in Vietnam. By August 1964, Washington and Hanoi were already on a collision course. The level of combat in South Vietnam, and the level of outside support on both sides, were increasing; meanwhile the United States was sponsoring a program of covert operations against North Vietnam…If reports from the Gulf of Tonkin had not caused President Johnson to order airstrikes against North Vietnam in August 1964, something else would have done so within a few months.
“[T]he Tonkin Gulf incidents—the real one of August 2 for which the United States did not retaliate, and the imaginary one of August 4 that provoked the airstrikes and the Tonkin Gulf Resolution—deserve careful attention.”​

This analysis is absolutely supported by all historical data regarding the United States’s entry into the Vietnam War. If you go to the Vietnam War Memorial in Washington, D.C., you’ll see two dates on the wall—1959 and 1975, the prior being the first year in which a U.S. serviceman died in Vietnam, and the latter being the last year in which that occurred. Those are, incidentally, also the dates by which the U.S. government, for purposes of veterans benefits and classification, defines the “Vietnam conflict.” It is true that a sustained long-term air campaign (“Rolling Thunder”) and large-scale infusion of American ground forces into Vietnam did not occur until 1965, after LBJ asked for, and received from Congress, the Tonkin Gulf Resolution. But it is totally false to state or imply that the war began in the Gulf of Tonkin. If it did, what war did the Americans who died between 1959 and 1965, and whose names are inscribed on the Vietnam War Memorial, die in?
By his misleading use of the term “false flag,” Foster Gamble seems to want you to conclude that the Gulf of Tonkin incident alone took the United States and North Vietnam from peaceful coexistence to open armed conflict, and that, if the Gulf of Tonkin incident hadn’t happened, or if the truth about the August 4 attack had been known, the Vietnam War would not have occurred. This conclusion is ludicrous and is totally at odds with every bit of historical knowledge we have about the war. It simply isn’t true.

 

[Muadib]

As I recall the LBJ presidential tapes that were declassified and released in 2001 proved that the Tonkin event never happened. But then I guess declassified tapes are probably all fake, right?

You're confusing the Gulf of Tonkin incident as one event, it was not, as I stated in my other post. It was two events, one happened, one probably didn't. You can ignore this if you want to support your conspiracy ridden worldview but it just makes you look silly when you refer to it as a false flag. Like I said, the North Vietnamese admitted that the first attack was genuine, this isn't even in dispute. A little more getting your history from historians and a little less conspiracy mongering might be in order.

 

[Muadib]

Yeah the problem with the conspiracy buffs are that they think every time there is even the question of government deception being used as a pretext to war, they can label it a "False Flag!" I've even heard Pearl Harbor being labelled as a "False Flag!" Never mind the fact that the Japanese actually attacked us. This is part of the danger of conspiracy thinking, it distorts not only your view of the present, but also your view of history and probably the future as well. I can understand the appeal, it makes everything so black and white and easy to understand, the good guys and bad guys are clearly labelled, us vs. them and all that, but unfortunately, that's not the way the real world works.