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RenikNorthEngland

RenikNorthEngland

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Hi all, I was recently looking at ancient UFO accounts and found on a couple of sites a story about a man named Prince Boris de Rachewiltz and his discovery of a text in the belongings of a Vatican museum curator named Alberto Tulli. Rachewiltz made transcriptions and with the help of another Egyptologist translated a story that reveals an account from the Royal annals of Thutmose III - an 18th dynasty Pharaoe who reigned between 1504-1450 B.C. It describes an event in which several 'fiery discs' are seen in the sky, remaining there for several days before shooting off Southward. The original papyrus scroll was apparently lost but if it was a genuine artifact, this would be the earliest UFO account on record, more than 3000 years deep in our history.

I haven't been able to find too much information and the sources I've looked at already have some conflicting details. What do you guys make of it? Assuming the forum is familiar. Here's a link to one site I came across if anyone wants to check it out.

Lifting The Veil Forum - Does the Tulli Papyrus offer proof of UFOs?
 
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"this would be the earliest UFO account on record"

That depends if you count pictures or not, there are cave paintings 10x older, that some say depict objects in the sky.

As for the "Tulli Papyrus" the R. Cedric Leonard translation, appears to me to describe a meteor event, words like circle, ball and sphere can be "confused" in translation, in this translation the "space ship" link seems to emphasised by the use of the word disc which itself has 2 spellings, and given that the "original" manuscript is lost, I am not sure that much insight can be gained.

I did enjoy reading about this, so thank you for posting this thread.
 
You have a good point in regard to cave paintings. It could well be argued that they are an even earlier record of ariel anomalies. I think though that perhaps they don't offer as much compared to written language accounts where specific details can be pressed upon and often have been.

With the translation of the Tulli Papyrus, I'm not so sure about a meteor event because of how they were described as ascending back up into the sky and flying off toward the South, indicating anti-gravitational behaviour. You're right that not much insight can be gained, but yes it's really fascinating. Of course there are scores of equally fascinating accounts recorded in prehistory so even if it were a complete hoax, the phenomena was still quite obviously apparent in the ancient world.
 
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I have a copy of a book called "wonders in the sky" by jaques vallet and chris aubeck, to cut a long story short, it is the worst book I own. I got it because it was sold as a collection of the earliest "written" accounts of aerial phenomena to the present.
It sounded great but when I started to read it, I noticed that a lot of the translations were lazy to say the least, and the fact that no copies of the original texts were contained in the book, meant that it would take a great deal of time and effort to look at each "case", if you could get access to the original texts at all.
It is a shame because the idea (behind the book) was a good one, and I would have recomended it to you after reading your original post and seeing that you are interested in the "ancient" accounts of "UFO's".

I have not seen the "ancient aliens" series, but I would suggest watching this* documentary on ancient astrology (if you have not seen it already) its quite old but very interesting and suggest that our "ancestors" had a very advanced understanding of the sky and what was in it.
its on channel 4 so you should be able to watch it, otherwise you could try youtube.

 
LeBombette said:
For a good skeptical perspective you may want to watch "Ancient Aliens Debunked", even if you haven't watched the show it does address a lot of the "evidence" being touted by ancient alien theorists and there's a lot of good resources on the website. Ancient Aliens Debunked | A refutation of the history channel show Ancient Aliens
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Thank you I will check this out- Greatly appreciated. I've seen the vids Han linked up a long time ago so I'll have to give those a watch too.
 
RenikNorthEngland said:
Hi all, I was recently looking at ancient UFO accounts and found ... Lifting The Veil Forum - Does the Tulli Papyrus offer proof of UFOs?
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I don't see any reason why visitation by aliens in the distant past isn't possible, and the various myths and legends about strange phenomena seen in the sky are interesting. In my reading about ancient mysteries, I find them more compelling than megalithic structures and other artifacts allegedly made with the help of aliens. BTW, the Ancient Aliens Debunked video mentioned earlier by @LeBombette is a must watch for those interested in the AAH ( Ancient Alien Hypothesis ).
 
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