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Well, like I was saying at the start, it seems to be based on the math. Although math can be internally coherent, it may not apply to anything outside it's own abstract context. The so-called perpetual motion induced by the magnetic field is not the same as a "break in temporal symmetry". Magnetic fields store energy and if that energy is transferred to the ion ring causing it to move, then kinetic energy has been transferred from the field to the ion ring. If the current keeps going inside the ring, then it's probably due to the electrons picking up the energy from the magnetic field and transporting it along the ring similar to the way that a superconducting electromagnetic electrical storage unit ( second kind ) does. In those units, electricity has no resistance and therefore will stay in the container indefinitely provided the temperature is maintained. They are actually very efficient, but you don't hear a lot about them ( I wonder why ). Anyway, if the electromagnetic field transfers energy to the electrons in an ion on the ring, it will destabilize the symmetry of the ring because the ion with more energy than its neighbor will push harder against its neighbors. Then at just the right distance, and with just the right power, that ion will transfer its energy to an adjacent ion, causing the space between them to move to that location. In a sense each ion is acting like a tiny capacitor and each time the charge is transferred you get movement. Hypothetically, when the magnetic field is removed, the movement should eventually slow to a stop as the energy is eaten up by the moving ions. So it's not really identical to a superconductor, but it's really close.

<blockquote data-quote="Randall" data-source="post: 159178" data-attributes="member: 2682">Well, like I was saying at the start, it seems to be based on the math. Although math can be internally coherent, it may not apply to anything outside it&#039;s own abstract context. The so-called perpetual motion induced by the magnetic field is not the same as a &quot;break in temporal symmetry&quot;. Magnetic fields store energy and if that energy is transferred to the ion ring causing it to move, then kinetic energy has been transferred from the field to the ion ring. If the current keeps going inside the ring, then it&#039;s probably due to the electrons picking up the energy from the magnetic field and transporting it along the ring similar to the way that a superconducting electromagnetic electrical storage unit ( second kind ) does. In those units, electricity has no resistance and therefore will stay in the container indefinitely provided the temperature is maintained. They are actually very efficient, but you don&#039;t hear a lot about them ( I wonder why ). Anyway, if the electromagnetic field transfers energy to the electrons in an ion on the ring, it will destabilize the symmetry of the ring because the ion with more energy than its neighbor will push harder against its neighbors. Then at just the right distance, and with just the right power, that ion will transfer its energy to an adjacent ion, causing the space between them to move to that location. In a sense each ion is acting like a tiny capacitor and each time the charge is transferred you get movement. Hypothetically, when the magnetic field is removed, the movement should eventually slow to a stop as the energy is eaten up by the moving ions. So it&#039;s not really identical to a superconductor, but it&#039;s really close.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Randall, post: 159178, member: 2682"] [FONT=arial]Well, like I was saying at the start, it seems to be based on the math. Although math can be internally coherent, it may not apply to anything outside it's own abstract context. The so-called perpetual motion induced by the magnetic field is not the same as a "break in temporal symmetry". Magnetic fields store energy and if that energy is transferred to the ion ring causing it to move, then kinetic energy has been transferred from the field to the ion ring. If the current keeps going inside the ring, then it's probably due to the electrons picking up the energy from the magnetic field and transporting it along the ring similar to the way that a superconducting electromagnetic electrical storage unit ( second kind ) does. In those units, electricity has no resistance and therefore will stay in the container indefinitely provided the temperature is maintained. They are actually very efficient, but you don't hear a lot about them ( I wonder why ). Anyway, if the electromagnetic field transfers energy to the electrons in an ion on the ring, it will destabilize the symmetry of the ring because the ion with more energy than its neighbor will push harder against its neighbors. Then at just the right distance, and with just the right power, that ion will transfer its energy to an adjacent ion, causing the space between them to move to that location. In a sense each ion is acting like a tiny capacitor and each time the charge is transferred you get movement. Hypothetically, when the magnetic field is removed, the movement should eventually slow to a stop as the energy is eaten up by the moving ions. So it's not really [I]identical[/I] to a superconductor, but it's really close.[/FONT] [/QUOTE]

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