Timothy Good and his recent claims - cutting edge or "off the reservation"?

[TalkingMeatSuit]

I listened to an interview with Timothy Good from October on another radio show (don't know if I'm breaking rules by posting a link or anything, but it's an English language show out of Sweden).

It seems as though he's got a decent reputation in the UFO / para circlejerk; I've heard a number of people namedrop him during interviews at least.

At any rate, here's some of the stuff he says in this interview. Some bold claims to say the least...

- for 40 years people have been flying in "Amicizia-case" alien spaceships to counter a threat from other alien species. They are responsible for "hybridizing us" in the first place and are genetically linked to us.

- some grey species are bad + usual hybrid race creation via huge underground bases claim. They want to take over the planet using hybrids who are adapted to the conditions here.

- third party story about Gordon Cooper being frustrated with the alien topic, saying "I want to fly one of our alien craft to the UN building myself"

- Amicizia case involved a half-robotic human-looking alien species in addition to whatever these good guys are and the bad greys

- "W56" is the other title / codename that this amicizia group of aliens goes by, because in 56 they started communicating with other countries, and the "W" is because they allegedly introduced themselves and the topic of the alien threat in this country to none other than George Washington himself

... and it goes on from there. Has he always been this, umm... "fringe"? Or is this a new development for him?

 

[manxman]

makes perfect sense if you are barmy.

i mean why colonise a planted when its still using black powder propelled munitions, when continents are weeks apart communication wise, just wait until we all have nukes then plan it.

 

[Vance]

Thanks for the heads up TalkingMeatSuit.
Found the interview on a podcast regarding his new book "Earth: An Alien Enterprise". He credits an unnamed " very reliable source" for the information. I can't take him seriously but he spins a good yarn now and again.

 

[Muadib]

I've read a few of his books and found them interesting, but like everything in the UFO field, his information needs to be taken with a grain of salt and fact checked wherever possible. I remember listening to an interview with him, can't remember the show, maybe this one, where he comes out in favor of several very suspect films from the early contactee period, including one that is attributed to Adamski and is generally regarded as completely fake. I've also heard various researchers accuse him of being involved in faking some of the later discovered MJ-12 documents, though I don't know whether or not this has been substantiated, perhaps someone else has more information on that.

 

[Randall]

I listened to an interview with Timothy Good from October on another radio show (don't know if I'm breaking rules by posting a link or anything, but it's an English language show out of Sweden).

It seems as though he's got a decent reputation in the UFO / para circlejerk; I've heard a number of people namedrop him during interviews at least.

At any rate, here's some of the stuff he says in this interview. Some bold claims to say the least...

- for 40 years people have been flying in "Amicizia-case" alien spaceships to counter a threat from other alien species. They are responsible for "hybridizing us" in the first place and are genetically linked to us.

- some grey species are bad + usual hybrid race creation via huge underground bases claim. They want to take over the planet using hybrids who are adapted to the conditions here.

- third party story about Gordon Cooper being frustrated with the alien topic, saying "I want to fly one of our alien craft to the UN building myself"

- Amicizia case involved a half-robotic human-looking alien species in addition to whatever these good guys are and the bad greys

- "W56" is the other title / codename that this amicizia group of aliens goes by, because in 56 they started communicating with other countries, and the "W" is because they allegedly introduced themselves and the topic of the alien threat in this country to none other than George Washington himself

... and it goes on from there. Has he always been this, umm... "fringe"? Or is this a new development for him?

Good is a bit of a curious case. He entertains some rather fringe ideas, and there are times he seems to have gone over the edge. However his book Beyond Top Secret is top notch, and he has some other decent books as well, and in them he draws a clearer line between what he believes, what has simply been reported, and what is speculation. Because of this, I tend to think that Good is not as good at handling public appearances and interviews as he is at writing. Maybe sometimes it's the way the video or audio is edited. Maybe it's the way the question is asked. Maybe Tim doesn't like to preface everything with "According to my sources". Maybe he does believe some of the more far out stuff because he believes his sources, and his books are more reserved because he has an editor who makes an extra effort to be more clear. I don't know for sure. Personally, unless you actually hear Tim preface what he say with the words "I believe" ( this or that or whatever ), I tend to assume that he's just relaying something that has been reported to him rather than proclaiming this is the way whatever it is he's talking about actually is.

 

[Sentry]

I agree with ufology. I've had occasion to swap emails with Timothy Good on two very different cases. He was helpful, but it was clear that he would believe just about anything, yet scoffed at skeptics as being unreasonable. A hair out of tune, at least.

We might save some time vetting UFOlogists with this question:
"What do you think about George Adamski?"

 

[ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM]

Well going on his earlier work such as Above Top Secret (1989) was very good book but do I believe everything never nor should anyone else make up your own mind. However, he mentioned a few cases which have similar occurrences of people I talked to who have had similar events in his new book. They would not go on record and I don't blame them look at the crazies in this field. One which I will mentioned but no names is regarding a British Nuclear power plant and interference by unknown object could of been man made or some one playing jokes. The couple were driving past and two other witness were police officers who both saw the object.

 

[Randall]

Well going on his earlier work such as Above Top Secret (1989) was very good book but do I believe everything never nor should anyone else make up your own mind. However, he mentioned a few cases which have similar occurrences of people I talked to who have had similar events in his new book. They would not go on record and I don't blame them look at the crazies in this field. One which I will mentioned but no names is regarding a British Nuclear power plant and interference by unknown object could of been man made or some one playing jokes. The couple were driving past and two other witness were police officers who both saw the object.

Beyond Top Secret is the fully revised and updated version of Above Top Secret. In it Good acknowledges the problems with the MJ-12 documents, and removes the claims of at least one dubious character. This shows to me that Good isn't above changing his views when presented with conflicting and better quality evidence. His book Alien Base is also an interesting read. I can see after reading most of his stuff how one could weave a reasonable case for taking some of the seemingly far fetched claims more seriously.

For example, if the aliens are from space, a terrestrial base on Earth would make a lot of sense. Similarly, if they are terrestrial, then they must have bases here someplace. Either way it's not so far fetched, and neither is the idea that given our own ability to map, explore, and detect things on the surface, below ground, and underwater, to think that some hi-tech military surveillance hasn't found out where at least one of these bases is and has gone to investigate.

So then it follows that if you go to investigate something anomalous, you're bound at some point to come into close proximity to it and that means interaction. From there a number of other possibilities that fit the claims are reasonable to suggest. It's a rabbit hole for sure, but it's grounded in the reality of alien visitation. The interesting thing is that no matter how much we know this chain of logic makes sense, we still find ourselves becoming increasingly skeptical the deeper we go.

 

[stonehart]

It's a rabbit hole for sure, but it's grounded in the reality of alien visitation. The interesting thing is that no matter how much we know this chain of logic makes sense, we still find ourselves becoming increasingly skeptical the deeper we go.

The quote that comes to mind "it is not the depth of the rabbit hole that bothers me but all the rabbit shit you have to crawl through on the way down".

So yeah I hear you Ufology

 

[ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM]

Well said ufology and stone hart. The fact is those who want to learn what the hell going on are drowned out by all the smoke and mirrors. The strange aspects of this odd force does play trickery with any individual or groups touched by its field of deception. What concerns me is all the folks who do not come forward are holding vital information which might be frightening or amusing to the beholder? On a speculation one day we all might wake one morning finding out we lost the Earth to some unknown force!

 

[manxman]

if any alien race had the tech to get here, they could get anywhere, this planet has nothing billions of others have, even water is wide spread, so why come all this way, even so easiest way to clear the planet of one species, would be a fast acting disease, but then that would destroy the enviroment by proxy, i.e. all the nuclear plants around the world would go pop one by one as the cooling systems failed.

i dont think any invader could conquer the planet without the enviroment being destroyed oneway or another for millenia.

 

[Randall]

if any alien race had the tech to get here, they could get anywhere, this planet has nothing billions of others have, even water is wide spread, so why come all this way, even so easiest way to clear the planet of one species, would be a fast acting disease, but then that would destroy the enviroment by proxy, i.e. all the nuclear plants around the world would go pop one by one as the cooling systems failed.

i dont think any invader could conquer the planet without the enviroment being destroyed oneway or another for millenia.

I think that on the surface, the assumptions and questions above seem reasonable. However I don't think interstellar travel is quite the snap-whiz-bang and you're suddenly there type of thing we see in science fiction. If the ETH is correct, the skeptics are still correct about the challenges. Unlike them, I think those challenges are surmountable, but that it would involve careful charting and planning and time. It's not likely that billions of stars are within easy reach, or that all of their planets are as interesting or useful as Earth. There are a number of features that make Earth a better candidate for exploration than other types, not the least of which is that it harbors life. Other things are that unlike gas giants, it has a solid surface that can be landed on. It also has a protective atmosphere, and it isn't too hot or too cold. Water exists in all 3 states. Among planets, I would submit that Earth is a rarity, even if there are others similar to it spread out across the universe.

 

[mike]

if any alien race had the tech to get here, they could get anywhere, this planet has nothing billions of others have, even water is wide spread, so why come all this way, even so easiest way to clear the planet of one species, would be a fast acting disease, but then that would destroy the enviroment by proxy, i.e. all the nuclear plants around the world would go pop one by one as the cooling systems failed.

i dont think any invader could conquer the planet without the enviroment being destroyed oneway or another for millenia.

You are thinking in terms of short human life spans.
If you have the time and patience you can stealth invade without a shot being fired.

200 odd years ago the australian aboriginal was the dominant genotype here, had been for tens of thousands of years.
Today its a dwindling minority, hybridised almost out of existance.

As for why earth would be desirable, Think of it as a factory.
Yes other planets might be in a goldilocks zone, have water , atmosphere.
But here we have an incredibly complex laboratory producing via genetic expression "products" in great amounts

Plants have broader uses than as just food and a genetic reservoir. Increasingly, rainforest plants, and to a lesser extent rainforest animals, are the source of compounds useful for medicinal purposes.

The rainforest has been called the ultimate chemical laboratory with each rainforest species experimenting with various chemical defenses to ensure survival in the harsh world of natural selection. They have been synthesizing these compounds for millions of years to protect against predators, infection, pests, and disease. This makes rainforest species an excellent reservoir of medicines and chemical templates with which researchers can create new drugs.

And thats just the south american rainforest.

We ourselves try and exploit the very same resource mechanisms

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Destroying the factory/lab to get the real estate makes no sense.

Killing off the traditional owners is unnessesary if you have the luxury of time and the means to stealth invade and displace them via hybridisation.
We know this model works and is less repugnent than simple genocide

 

[ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM]

Spot on our technology advancements are young compared to the universe and other solar systems (fun to thinks so) it could be suggested and always had a feeling the human race maybe been around the block more than once. Maybe so called contact happens when we leave this Earth with our last breath and join the electrical highway ?

 

[Richard Hawkins]

I think Timothy Good is a dick.Sorry if im sitting on the fence

 

[boomerang]

I have just downloaded and plan to listen to the latest Timothy Good interview. It's been years since reading Good's work, but I recall it as being relatively well grounded. If Good has indeed become less critical in his claims over the years, it wouldn't be the first instance of the (Fox) Muldarization of a UFO investigator, especially one writing books for publication. But it's only fair to reserve judgement until after hearing the podcast. Mr. Good is typically articulate and internally consistent and this goes a long way towards making for an interesting interview.

 

[Richard Hawkins]

Articulate.?Realy? this guy has the brains of a rocking horse.

 

[Richard Hawkins]

I think that on the surface, the assumptions and questions above seem reasonable. However I don't think interstellar travel is quite the snap-whiz-bang and you're suddenly there type of thing we see in science fiction. If the ETH is correct, the skeptics are still correct about the challenges. Unlike them, I think those challenges are surmountable, but that it would involve careful charting and planning and time. It's not likely that billions of stars are within easy reach, or that all of their planets are as interesting or useful as Earth. There are a number of features that make Earth a better candidate for exploration than other types, not the least of which is that it harbors life. Other things are that unlike gas giants, it has a solid surface that can be landed on. It also has a protective atmosphere, and it isn't too hot or too cold. Water exists in all 3 states. Among planets, I would submit that Earth is a rarity, even if there are others similar to it spread out across the universe.

 

[boomerang]

Articulate.?Realy? this guy has the brains of a rocking horse.

Articulate is a relative term !

I don't recall Mr. Good as being quite all over the map in times past, or as loose with citation of mystery sources in relation to specific claims. But this is also part of the hall of mirrors we enter when studying this phenomenon, as it always has been. One may pick and choose what to factor into the equation and what to toss aside. And I do think Mr. Good has done valuable work.

We calls them as we sees them at any given time.

 

[trainedobserver]

... and it goes on from there. Has he always been this, umm... "fringe"? Or is this a new development for him?

Good is sounding more and more like someone who could be ghost writing for Commander X in Tim Beckley's Conspiracy Journal Newsletter.