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Tom Vance Paranormal Master Disappears!

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MarsAve Paranormal Master Disappears!

Most of us recall MarsAve a highly esteemed member who came on the scene here in April of 2007 just after the Chad Drone pictures, and before the release of the Rajman1977 pictures the same month. He started his posts with a recap of what the last 40 years have meant to him. His writing was both clear and incisive, delightful, and demonstrated a clear understanding of the issues involved in Ufology, particularly those involving proof :a Keen and open mind.

Working as a professional Photographer many of his videos can be seen on YouTube under the same moniker and also Prominently displayed, Vapor Trails Productions in the movie credits
http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=marsave+youtube&FORM=CBPW&first=1

But what makes him really special is that our very own Mars, was able to identify 9 months ago the locations depicted on the slew of fake photos released by the infamous crew known the Isaac Caret Team, or Isaac Caret, bought to us by c2c and Earth files., of who Ty, and Stephen appear to be a part of.
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The locations were no where near where the hoaxers claimed and LMH of Earth files claimed, Bakersfield and Big Basin., . He knew because he worked the area for 40 years as a PSE n G man, among his other vocations. (Refer to his posts here, just a handful).

After Alerting LMH, who would not respond to him, he made a plea to her back in September asking for advice and help, which elicited a lot of sympathy from us, and left with the defiant understanding he wanted to stop these Hoaxers and Joaxters at all costs, even chastizing himself to near unconsciousness, for not coming out sooner knowing what he knew.

Well, after months went by, and debates continued. , after seeing the craft advertised on TV programs and news this Spring of 2008,was able to get a hold of the the Private Investigators . These investigators, working for an outfit called the Drone Research Team, funded by unknown secret sources, was organized by six people known to be active and fervent believers. They were helped along the way of course, by LMH, to "investigate" the witnesses, and the locations, and any "new sightings".

Well no sooner had he Joined the hunt, the "true" locations were quickly found. The Chad sighting was behind a Middle Eastern restaurant ,known as the Deer Creek Bar and Grill, on Santa Cruz hwy, Ca, and not Lake Tahoe, and the Step/Ty were taken along Big Basin way, at an unsafe precipice, where Bicyclists just do not go. We recall there were 6-12 bicyclists involved between the two groups. The Chad Location revealed that if such a craft, or any craft existed, It would be visible to a heck of a lot of people on the busy highway and the valley residents below.

No mention whatsoever of our Tom was made. NO Kudos, no fanfare
and no declaration of hoax, despite what was revealed by Tom. Every item he posted here was validated in every detail!! But no declaration of hoax.

On a query to member of the DRT, by a close friend of mine, I was told that Tom just faded away, and had fallen in love, or something like that, and did not want to be bothered.

What?! Our Hero Mars? Just fade away , like an old soldier in a Gen. Mcarthur speech, ? after accomplishing more in a few days than a privately funded group of Pis accomplished in over a year, despite the fact the Pis lived 15 minutes away from the restaurant in San Jose, and 20 minutes away from another "witness report "Cam", in Scott Valley, that they came up with for this comical case?evidence found connecting lamps in San Jose to a Lamps in the Raj Picture.? But no one searched San Jose??

Maybe Mars left disgusted, maybe he gave up, maybe something more sinister then falling victim to cupids arrow transpired.. Maybe..... http://yourviews.mercurynews.com/mycapture/photos/Album.aspx?EventID=274305&CategoryID=22250
San Jose you say? Yes, thats his new home as of recently hailing from ___ Thats why living in this area for over 40 years he knew what he was talking about.

But Clearly the one walking around now has "changed" after meeting the Pis.
 
MarsAve Paranormal Master Disappears!

Well, the villagers waited for their hero Gidot and he never came, So it will be here. We can call the rescue mission off .and recall those StBernards with the whiskey kegs they use in the alps to help the stranded. I could use a stiff drink myself actually.
Mars is not coming back as per Drone investigators as per one of the Drone Team which gives us nothing but second hand hearsay anyway.
So I will leave the thread open just in case anyway.
We have made a lot of headway since his appearance in terms of getting a decent fix on the hoaxters.
I will post that on another thread.
until then regards.
 
i must say i would love to see the hoaxers named and shamed

(cant feed em to lions anymore)

feed em to the chans lol...........
 
Well stated post, SYS. I used to live near Santa Cruz and I swore that those photos looked like the valley between Los Gatos and Santa Cruz. Now that I live on the East Coast it wasn't practical to look into this. Kudos to Tom for taking this on. I also contacted LMH and got some super-nasty emails back from her. What's up with LMH? She need to be put in her place. Would love to see DB take her on.
 
LMH is set in her ways. David's time is probably better off spent imo.

The drone photos were early on proven to be hoaxes. Or, at the very least highly suspect. Not to piss on Vance for his info. or anything of course.

People come and go. We might see him back someday.
 
Linda would probably do well over at Fox news. Her shabby investigative techniques and one-sided, often at the expense of honesty, reporting are all the rage out in 'dem parts. As far as the drone photos go, my well honed bullshit alarm was immediately set off, but there does seem to be an impressive level of sophistication involved. Ubergeeks or Gub'ment Spooks...who knows?
 
Linda would probably do well over at Fox news. Her shabby investigative techniques and one-sided, often at the expense of honesty, reporting are all the rage out in 'dem parts. As far as the drone photos go, my well honed bullshit alarm was immediately set off, but there does seem to be an impressive level of sophistication involved. Ubergeeks or Gub'ment Spooks...who knows?
No cable news network would have her. Their standards aren't that low -- not even MSNBC, which is probably the worst offender of all.
 
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Thanx guys,
LMH was interviewed on a special mystery sci fi series ( 5 episodes scheduled) by a really objective investigator, George Noorey! He even did Whitley too!
And Talking about monkeys picking each others fleas off and grooming, the Sacred Drones were not mentioned once..and two weeks ago LMH talking about secret government documents, gov leaks (paper leaks that is :)) at you guessed the Waterhole of ufology, Coast to Coast..and not one honorable mention for Isaac.

As for MarsAve As I mentioned earlier, he may have walked off in disgust rather than expose a former long time acquaintance one of the PIs ..Stuff like that happens..I still thank him for what he did, and that collectively with all the other curiosities, put the skids on this.

I am following still the Alienware link as well... If there ever was a stone wall, its there. All email responses have gone silent after they admitted that the intellectual property rights to the designs. about 3 weeks ago to Fill0000 in correspondence at ATS.
You cannot even google and get an approximate date when the Laptops were on the assembly line . My position is they were ordered for production prior to the Isaac Date.

Quanta is a huge Taiwan-China outfit that does about 80 percent of all notebooks in the world. It did that laptop for Alienware as well as Dell.
Another clue, the Quanta bios, which is specific to that laptop is dated on one m15x laptop,march 2007. That would be about right..for a blueprint design to be ordered and then production work begun on it, and a marketing plan to drum up buzz put in effect as well.and have it out by December. The manual made for that laptop was dated October 16, 2007.
So we have June 26 to October 16, 2007..That is too narrow a window to ask quanta to look at design specs, produce MBs and cases and Lcds, ac adapter/chargers, etc.. which all have to be sourced out too, assembled in different points, So we can be reasonably sure that is very consistent, with the march 2007 bios finding as a realistic window,

Another Clue, Android Jones , former ILM intern, owner of Massive Black fame, that act as a design clearing house for the game industry and others, like EA , Warners, had the exact designs on his work 2 days after the Isaac Release, in Japan while doing work with the series the Illuminated with the Guerilla News Network.
He disavows..any connection to the hoax, in one of his DVDs, saying he picked it up from c2c while in Japan. We know he can crank out work quite quickly,..just look at his DVDs., however i was surprised he had time to peruse c2c, and do all the other things he did while there, as he shows no history in ufology, other than as designer for game companies and DJs , such as Bluetech in Oregon..for whom he did that poster.as well.
I wonder also if the Theft of customers and intellectual property, and money.. at Massive Blacks studio in China, in 2006 by two Chinese employees, could have been a possible source of Isaacs design. Could Alienware or one of its agents, such as SynQ have been one of his clients when this happened.

I honestly don't know, because if this were Alienwares intellectual property, then the Isaac Caret site should theoretically be off line by now..These companies will sue you withinin a hairs breadth of your life, if you even set up a site sounding phonetically like theirs. unless.of course .they were working together from the inception...It is still up..and running.

We are still looking into this..
 
its funny i was thinking about this this morning.
my money is still on the alienware viral that backfired theory.

though the idea the black govt might also pull a stunt like this to confuse the real aliens did pop into my head recently.

as a psych op if i had aliens whos intentions i did not know, id fake another set of aliens whos intentions "they" dont know.... just to keep them guessing and hopefully honest so to speak
 
as a psych op if i had aliens whos intentions i did not know, id fake another set of aliens whos intentions "they" dont know.... just to keep them guessing and hopefully honest so to speak

Damn, I thought I'd covered every base. That's a good one. That would explain the MilAbs, too. The military tracks down people who have gotten the royal roo-roo from 'aliens' and then puts their own version on top of it. Like stuffing spit-wads down a coin slot to screw up a vending machine.
 
Damn, I thought I'd covered every base. That's a good one. That would explain the MilAbs, too. The military tracks down people who have gotten the royal roo-roo from 'aliens' and then puts their own version on top of it. Like stuffing spit-wads down a coin slot to screw up a vending machine.

it would be a typical reaction, thats for sure.

if all you know is they are here and collecting information, or what the military call "intel", and they are doing it in an obvious sneaky fashion.

by our own history that sort of behaviour usually happens prior to an invasion.

it makes sense to "turn the tables" and create the myth that there are aliens unknown to the actual ones here, and that thay may even be working with our goverment/s.

personally if i had nothing else to throw at the quandry of knowing something was here and collecting data, id make sure that some of the data they got kept them guessing

if we were to create a fictional alien species possibly in contact with our military and exchanging technology (as the story goes) then any "real" aliens would need to find out who these guys are before invading, jokers are wild after all.
 
here are the pix I referred by Android from SF ..the first one , visible for you, is the one he did for that Bluetech of Oregon, while in Glorious Japan, while doing art exhibits and shooting a movie with GNN,the others , for another musical group Dragon Force, (Android loves to Party, festivals , right near or at where Chad and The Pis reside,Tree huggers and Pod People Jams, you name it, he will be there..I luv this guy He's a walking production studio!) and another for a game Metroid Echoes or something..or other.., a few months later before 2008 and release of his DVD. He recreated and got those vector nodes and applied them in two days don't ya think..yes..The designs must have had a "spiritual impact" on him when he saw first saw them..his prior work going back to even before 2006 http://androidjones.com/AndroidJones_Gallery.html however does show a peculiar similarity to them. Far be it from me to imply anything of course..
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc191/sys_config/dragon.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc191/sys_config/ScreenHunter_02Oct110132.gif

You can also find many of his works with these special brushes in Corel Painter X and the the graphics suite which came out in March or April of 2007..Painter X - Digital Painting a tad bit sooner than Raj Ty or Isaac appeared. Andrew is a true visionary indeed or at least a great Remote viewer.I personally commend his co sponsorship with Dell computers , owners of Alienware, and best implementors of the Isaac Art, for that nifty Siggraph conference and jam in Ca, in August this year.
Now Thats what I call a team player. You go Android!
 

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Mars Has Returned and posted at OMF the following staement along with a well deserved Arse Chewing for me.
Even though he says he did not crack the case..Make no mistake..Thank goodness we had his eyes out there at that time..
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I am going to post a statement here....and I did not crack the case.

after reading several websites for the last 2 weeks, gathering information, and seeing the guessing game going on, I've decided to offer a bit on this Forum only. I may or may not answer your questions...the reason being is very simple. I just plain do not have the time to sit and read and answer....very sorry I cannot partake, but since I offered photographic information on the Drone near Saratogas and Santa Cruz Summit earlier in the year and part of 2007 - I thought it would be fair to shed a bit of light on the subject, and correct a few misnomers.

Believe me when I tell you I am not a TYPIST..........!!

This posting here will take me considerable time to type- then go back and correct the errors. One of many reasons why I don't do this anyways....I just plain can't type. I use 2 finger hunt and peck method,,,,,
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Ok. Ist off, I apologize for not responding to "whoever' was e-mailing me off-line months ago to go on-line and talk about the photos. Very sorry. I think I answered one e-mail...sorry. Both my Parents died in 2008 - my Mom in January - and my father in Seattle April 2008. Niether left a Will and the Probate work is horrendous....still on-going. So for all of the "Arm-chair Detectives" out there...that is a 'reason' someone may go silent...................yes, I actually have a Life,,,no slight to anybody reading this. I don't have the time. PERIOD!
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As far as the 2 Private Investigators under TKDavis Investigations, they are very thorough, very nice Men - and I stand behind them and their credibilty 110% in their work. BFD on the T-Shirts. ...in fact, I may buy one as I need some new clothes to wear...
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- They have all of my info and contact numbers - I requested anonymity - which I may or may not explain here....but it isn't anything sinster. I just wanted my privacy for a few reasons.....but I have felt compelled to set some items straight.

There are a hundred items I've read about in regard to what I was involved in, but the one thing that made me go 'Silent' was the discovery and posting of my real name. That p*ssed me off big time...even though I have nothing to hide.....several posters here and other sites- such as MUR and 11Aug and others, stated it correctly....imagine yourself suddenly being thrown into the limelight. Posting my name seriously jeopordized part of this Investigation. Major reason I went Silent. Whoever thought they needed to do that - needs to go back to 'Armchair Detective School on Etiquette.." Sure, I have several monikers I have used and was 'found out' by some surfer, but the subject matter on those websites are mundane. I was that easy to find.....my postings on www.black-triangles.com and othersites are normal stuff. I read certain websites - but usually don't partake for reasons stated above. But the 'finding-out' angle like I was the Hoaxer was laughable....Geez, I gave all of my info to the 1st E-mail & photos of the Saratoga,CA - Big Basin Hwy area to LMH - and she never answered....so it was like, 'why should I care...?? People want to remain private for many reason, but in my case, I had an outlet to give information, but I am only a small part of the story - and I never wanted recognition - hopefully people reading this will let it lay. I won't be doing any interviews nor seek any fame. My finding of the photo locations isn't all that mysterious - other than I have a fairly good recollection of places I've been too...was why I remembered. The Hoax angle made me write LMH at 1st - only to set the story straight - I never thought in 2 years it would be such an issue. My earlier postings back up my statements.

' I feel 1000% the Drone photos are Fake - and looks to me, from my photographic experience, to be (old school..I'm over 50yrs old..) 'Superimposed' photos. The lighting isn't right.......I've been an Aviation photographer for 40+years, I have amassed a jet collection of over 150,000 photos and 25years of airliner & Railroad videotaping "as a hobby only"... and the photos look 'superimposed' to me....nowdays called CGI fakes..? Photoshopped? Flat out they look Fake just from the photographer's point of view - without any computer knowledge at all. One of my other downfalls, I don't know jack about computers, other than e-mailing and attaching pictures, and re-sizing photos in my crummy PS2.0 that came with the camera when I bought it, that's about all I know on computers. But the photos just don't look right to me. The long-winded EXIF report and 'same camera' angle was because a Canon Digital rebel is a common camera. I bought mine used from a fellow aviation photograher. I pretty much stood in the same place the Stephen photos were taken because there isn't much room on that hairpin turn, road shoulder,,,a very dangerous curve on a Mtn road...

So I know I've opened up 1000 questions, but all I can say is I had nothing to do with the apparent Hoax - in my words - the photo locations 1) Big Basin - I 1st alerted LMH with no answer....2) the Santa Cruz Summitt photos, I was not sure of the location, I thought it would be closer to an area called Mt Bielawski (sp) south of Castle Rock State Park on Hwy 35 in the Santa Cruz Mtns....I actually drove up there and looked but not until after I contacted TKDavis Investigations. I could not find the location......but, I did notify the Private Investigators( and I am not saying who for now..) and I did tell them the Chad photos ( supposed to be Bakersfield,CA area) those photos looked like the view point behind the old Summitt Inn & Restaurant on Hwy 17 at the Santa Cruz Summit(now a different name & owner?)....looking towards the Ocean. Truth...when those photo locations were publicized, It was from the PI's as they are the one's who checked my Lead, and found the location........again, I didn't have time to go look...but they found it - no problem...matched the tree line,etc...and the rest is History. They are the one's who found it. Those photos, from my photographic experience, are 'superimposed' phony pictures-also. I've always felt if the photographer was 'right on' they would find a way to be contacted and interviewed. I did,,,but look what happened.....so the discovery of the Chad location on Hwy 17 Summitt in Los Gatos wasn't sinister - I told the PI's to keep me out of it...because I really didn't care. Sure, it would be neat to get to the bottom of it......but my guess is the people starting this Drone Sighting item......are laughing big-time...!!!I thought the CARET documents looked good at 1st,,,,but then again, anybody can write a Novel.....


Just my thoughts..

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For the record
update.
He nevercame came back here . Said he forgot password..Duh...well why not resign up?..Instead he joined the Drone Promoters research Team site ,and Never uttered another word on Linda's position, never mentioned his link to PI's, one of who lived a couple of miles in the same town of Campbell where Raj pole was found. Efectively killing the Raj Story. He knew them from his tow hauling days, lived not far from the "discovered" Raj Pole himself, and TKS webmaster 2 miles away. Same town Lindas friend , Silvia Browne the Psychic lived. You would think Sylvia would know something about it , with just her crystal ball alone.:rolleyes: Or even the Founder of Ebay, who lived in same town too. Nada...NoOne..zit...
Yes, by way of simile
Mars left here Left like the raging Lion,
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returned like a tamed little "pussycat"
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In a hand Basket
Happy Easter
..Meooooow!
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