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Top 5 reasons the Official 9/11 Story is Bogus

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1. How could 2 planes bring down 3 buildings in (NY)?

2. Why was Bin Laden's family the only plane allowed to fly over the country when all air traffic was halted?

3. Why was there a drill scheduled by the Pentagon for the same day involving hijacked planes and how did the terrorists know what day Cheney ordered an F.A.A standown to conduct terror drills.

4. Why did W. and Cheney refuse to testify UNDER OATH?

5. No wreckage or evidence of a plane was found of flight 93 in PA just a smoking pit, why?.

I can list 50 more

but what is yours
 
The following text was written by the (sadly underrated) comedian Marc Maron. Copy/pasted from his myspace blog.

You might find it helpful.

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The Religion of Conspiracy: A Partial Transcript of a Performance

I may be a little late on this but someone recently sent me a link to zietgeistmovie.com. They said, "you're going to like this, man. It's going to explain everything." It's one of those movies that debunk large chunks of history through valid research and some conspiratorial revisionism. You know the territory: the Jesus fallacy, the illuminati, Hitler was funded by the Bush family, the Federal Reserve Bank's control of inflation, 911. I tend to avoid this type of thing in my life right now. Not because I have any problem with people who want to do that kind of work. I'm just not in a position right now to dedicate my life to it. Which seems to be what it requires. I don't want to be the brooding guy that enters every conversation saying, "What about World Trade Center 7? Explain that."

Granted the Kennedy Assassination conspiracy buffs really solved that thing. Look what those guys who relentlessly pursued the multi gunman theory have done with the 40 some odd years of work they put in. Thank god we now know the truth.

So, I got sucked into this zeitgeist thing. It might be true it might not be true. Do I care? What's difference between believing in that and believing in Jesus? You act the same as a religious fanatic if you are a conspiracy theorist. You pick a series of unprovable "facts" that become dogmatic tenets and you commit your life to it. If anyone argues with it you say, "Well, I guess you just don't want to open your eyes to the truth. You want to live in darkness. You don't want to see the light." So, how are they any different? You just pick a different dogmatic system that explains the relatively recent killing of a very attractive president and not the killing of a very attractive Jew thousands of years ago.

So, I'm watching the film. I tried to fight it. I'm fighting it now. I used the phrase conspiracy theorist and I don't like that phrase because I know it's a right wing semantic fuck off and it denies them their place but I don't want to be one of them and I know I'm vulnerable to it. I'd rather use 'independent speculative investigator'. They are doing something. It is unclear how important it is now or if it will ever be but they are committing their life to it and certainly there are questions.

The movie starts out by proving, effectively, that Jesus didn't exist. I'm thinking, "Okay, I know that." The eloquently and cinematicaly show It was a myth constructed from Egyptian astrology and several different creation and sun god myths that were popular in the region. It was compelling, well executed, and logical. Then, BAM, planes are flying into the towers. I'm in Jerusalem and now, in a cut, I'm in smoldering downtown Manhattan. As if to say, "Now we've showed you that Jesus is a lie and your mind is open. What about this?"

I've got to say, maybe they're right. I'll give them that. Here's to the 911 Truth Movement, maybe you're right, good for you, good luck with it. God forbid you do something practical like help change legislation so we can all have health care or not have our hard drives infiltrated by the government. No, what you're doing is much more important because the truth needs to come out. Don't worry about re-legislating bankruptcy laws so were not all just two payments, a divorce or an illness away from abject poverty. No, its important to know what happened to WTC 7 because ultimately if we know that then we are winning and all problems will be solved.

The thing that these people never take into mind is if you are going to float in that dimension admit what it is. If you are going to say that Cheney is a lizard, that 911 was an inside job, that the illuminati have been managing the world since the beginning of time, that George Washington wasn't really George Washington he was deist master Adam Weishaupt and there are paintings of him wearing a satanic apron, do it, but know it is your religion. Its mystical, ornate, inconclusive, blinding, you can move history around to fit your liking, it's a belief system. I'll keep it as a hobby. I'll dabble.

If Jesus came back, and that's a long shot, and he spoke to the people of the world and one of the two things he said was, "Oswald worked alone." There would be two slightly skittish independent speculative investigators having a conversation like this"

"What does that guy know? He lives in the sky."
"Yeah, but, he seems to exist. He could've seen the grassy knoll from his viewpoint."
"So, what. Then he's part of the cover up. I've watched the Zapruder film 10, 000 times. Jesus is a patsy."

Then Jesus said, "What about World Trade Center 7?"

"Exactly."
"We've got work to do."

And another generation of smart, motivated, angry, truth seekers are derailed, lost and almost useless to the cause of real progressivism.[/size]
 
Rob said:
The following text was written by the (sadly underrated) comedian Marc Maron. Copy/pasted from his myspace blog.

You might find it helpful.

I didn't. But I understand why you did. I guess it helps you sleep better at night.
 
Hi,

I'm what nobody who takes a hard stance on the 9/11 reads. I'm forgotten and ignored. All of the people who claim "9/11 was an inside job" and those who take deep insult and say it was 19 arabs have not read me. I'm the only link to a serious debate to see if the reasons given are "reasonable" or there is a lot of nonsense out there. Who am I?....
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99.99% of you are still not going to read me though, thus making discussions with the 0.01% that have to be on an unbalanced level.

Meh.

Continue to promote 9/11 theories without me and continue to promote the "gubment offical" theory of "terrorists" as well without me. It's cool to be uninformed.

:rolleyes:
 
Rick Deckard said:
Rob said:
The following text was written by the (sadly underrated) comedian Marc Maron. Copy/pasted from his myspace blog.

You might find it helpful.

I didn't. But I understand why you did. I guess it helps you sleep better at night.

What the fuck is 'it helps you sleep better at night' supposed to mean?

Do you find coming off as a condescending prick helps you (to sleep... )?
 
Rob said:
The following text was written by the (sadly underrated) comedian Marc Maron. Copy/pasted from his myspace blog.

If that's typical of his offerings, he's most deservedly underrated.

The only thing he said that I found funny in that ramble was the notion that the first part of Zeitgheist was "eloquent and cinematic" rather than the pedantic dribble, copied and pasted almost verbatum from the likes of Jordan Maxwell or Micheal Tsarion...
 
Rob said:
Do you find coming off as a condescending prick helps you (to sleep... )?

S'funny, I was thinking the same about you...except 'condescending' isn't a big enough word for your 'mightier than thou' stance, which you often adopt.
 
Rob said:
Rick Deckard said:
Rob said:
The following text was written by the (sadly underrated) comedian Marc Maron. Copy/pasted from his myspace blog.

You might find it helpful.

I didn't. But I understand why you did. I guess it helps you sleep better at night.

What the fuck is 'it helps you sleep better at night' supposed to mean?

Do you find coming off as a condescending prick helps you (to sleep... )?

You know I have been wondering [hesitating] to implore G & D to consider implementing some rules for the forums. I mean, some of the insanity being permeated by at least one of the admins isn't helping "improve the field" or "find the truth" or separate our community from the rest of the insanity out there.

I guess what I'm saying is: what goes on here in the forums sometimes seems diametrically opposed to the show's stated goals.

I like it when the show justifiably rails against overt insanity, but what good is it if the same insanity is then allowed to stew here on the forums? Students of paranormal phenomena will come here because they hear that the Paracast is trying to take a different approach. When they arrive and see Admins spouting 9/11 conspiracy theories and that saying that Mars is "teeming" with life, then they are just going to say to themselves: "So much for that 'new approach' reputation."

Still, I have been on many forums (paranormal and non-paranormal) and keeping them sane is much more easy to wish for than actually achieve.
 
fitzbew88 said:
You know I have been wondering [hesitating] to implore G & D to consider implementing some rules for the forums. I mean, some of the insanity being permeated by at least one of the admins isn't helping "improve the field" or "find the truth" or separate our community from the rest of the insanity out there.

I guess what I'm saying is: what goes on here in the forums sometimes seems diametrically opposed to the show's stated goals.

I like it when the show justifiably rails against overt insanity, but what good is it if the same insanity is then allowed to stew here on the forums? Students of paranormal phenomena will come here because they hear that the Paracast is trying to take a different approach. When they arrive and see Admins spouting 9/11 conspiracy theories and that saying that Mars is "teeming" with life, then they are just going to say to themselves: "So much for that 'new approach' reputation."

What you mean is that your disappointed that I don't agree with everything you believe.

I fail to see what my 'Admin' status has to do with anything. I didn't ask to be an 'Admin' and if I can't speak my mind, then I'd happily give it up right away.

It seems to me that you're on the wrong forums - if you're here in an attempt maintain a grip on your reality by trying to quash any ideas that may threaten it's integrity then you're gonna be very busy indeed and ultimately you'll achieve very little.

My opinion is as valid as yours. Deal with it.
 
Rick Deckard said:
Rob said:
Do you find coming off as a condescending prick helps you (to sleep... )?

S'funny, I was thinking the same about you...except 'condescending' isn't a big enough word for your 'mightier than thou' stance, which you often adopt.

Take your pick, tricky dicky:
arrogant, belittling, cocksure, contemptuous, derogatory, disdainful, dismissive, disparaging, haughty, lofty, patronising, patronizing, presumptuous, proud, scornful, snobbish, snooty, stuck-up, supercilious and superior.
 
Rob said:
Take your pick, tricky dicky:
arrogant, belittling, cocksure, contemptuous, derogatory, disdainful, dismissive, disparaging, haughty, lofty, patronising, patronizing, presumptuous, proud, scornful, snobbish, snooty, stuck-up, supercilious and superior.

Your are funny (sometimes), I'll give you that :)
 
Rick Deckard said:
What you mean is that your disappointed that I don't agree with everything you believe.

This is what I mean: I don't see much difference between the insanity you're espousing and the insanity bandied about by the acolytes of a certain one-armed farmer.

Except that what you are doing is hurtful to more people.

Is saying that Mars is "teeming with life" and "earth-like" and that NASA is covering it up any less crazy than what comes out of Switzerland?

In my opinion --- which you have already stated that I am entitled to express --- it is just as crazy.

The gullible are being preyed upon, in both cases.

Rick Deckard said:
I fail to see what my 'Admin' status has to do with anything. I didn't ask to be an 'Admin' and if I can't speak my mind, then I'd happily give it up right away.

My fear here is that an innocent user will presume the wrong things when they view your posts; that is to say, that you have an interest in truth.

Rick Deckard said:
It seems to me that you're on the wrong forums..

Now that might be true.

Rick Deckard said:
My opinion is as valid as yours. Deal with it.

You're assuming all opinions are equally valid. I don't think they are.

But that's really beside the point --- you're not spreading opinions. You're spreading unfounded allegations and accusations. You're doing it here because you don't think it likely anyone will protest.
 
fitzbew88 said:
This is what I mean: I don't see much difference between the insanity you're espousing and the insanity bandied about by the acolytes of a certain one-armed farmer.

Except that what you are doing is hurtful to more people.

In your opinion - which I disagree with.

fitzbew88 said:
Is saying that Mars is "teeming with life" and "earth-like" and that NASA is covering it up any less crazy than what comes out of Switzerland?

In my opinion --- which you have already stated that I am entitled to express --- it is just as crazy.

You seem fixated on the word "teeming" - let me put it into context - when I say "teeming" I mean in the same way that your gut is "teeming with life". I don't mean that there are Antelope and Wildebeest grazing in Martian meadows.

fitzbew88 said:
The gullible are being preyed upon, in both cases.

So, you're on some sort of crusade to protect 'the gullible' - so, you're assuming that the forum users are gullible. I doubt that they will agree with you there.

fitzbew88 said:
My fear here is that an innocent user will presume the wrong things when they view your posts; that is to say, that you have an interest in truth.

What is 'innocence'? What is 'truth'?

fitzbew88 said:
You're assuming all opinions are equally valid. I don't think they are.

Now THAT is interesting.

fitzbew88 said:
But that's really beside the point --- you're not spreading opinions. You're spreading unfounded allegations and accusations. You're doing it here because you don't think it likely anyone will protest.

No, I'm throwing an idea at a wall to see if it sticks. No malice intended. You're taking it all WAY TOO seriously. So seriously in fact, that I am beginning to assume that you have a personal interest.
 
fitzbew88 said:
You know I have been wondering [hesitating] to implore G & D to consider implementing some rules for the forums. I mean, some of the insanity being permeated by at least one of the admins isn't helping "improve the field" or "find the truth" or separate our community from the rest of the insanity out there.

Sounds like you want some sort of censorship of 'ideas'.

Sounds like fascism to me.
 
Rick Deckard said:
You seem fixated on the word "teeming" - let me put it into context - when I say "teeming" I mean in the same way that your gut is "teeming with life". I don't mean that there are Antelope and Wildebeest grazing in Martian meadows.

To me that doesn't change anything. My point of contention is your allegation that NASA is covering it up. There is no reason to believe any such crime is being committed. You have not proven it to us. You have not wondered out loud if we think it might be true.

You have said that it is true, and then tried to mask it as an opinion.

This, I cannot bear.

Rick Deckard said:
fitzbew88 said:
The gullible are being preyed upon, in both cases.

So, you're on some sort of crusade to protect 'the gullible' - so, you're assuming that the forum users are gullible. I doubt that they will agree with you there.

Yes, some forum users are gullible. Not all. Some folks who google this up in the future will be gullible. Many of them will be. What if they take your statements at face value? What if they see your posts labeled as "Admin" and determine that you must be an expert?

Can you not see the potential damage? What if your posts are stumbled across by someone considering a career at NASA? What if a graduate student somewhere is gathering the nerve to try for a *serious* study of UFOs and comes here and sees allegations like this? What is he/she going to think? ("They're all nuts.")

To me, the potential damage you might do is incalculable. Limited only by imagination.

Rick Deckard said:
fitzbew88 said:
My fear here is that an innocent user will presume the wrong things when they view your posts; that is to say, that you have an interest in truth.

What is 'innocence'? What is 'truth'?

I am choosing to ignore this; as I don't think it's relevant.

Rick Deckard said:
fitzbew88 said:
But that's really beside the point --- you're not spreading opinions. You're spreading unfounded allegations and accusations. You're doing it here because you don't think it likely anyone will protest.

No, I'm throwing an idea at a wall to see if it sticks. No malice intended. You're taking it all WAY TOO seriously. So seriously in fact, that I am beginning to assume that you have a personal interest.

Rick, an allegation is not an idea.

Am I taking it too seriously ---- maybe. What is worth fighting for? Well, NASA's good name seems to me to be worth fighting for --- the space program's reputation seems to be worth fighting for.

It seems worth defending.

Do I have a personal interest? Of course I do. NASA is my agency. I pay for it.
 
fitzbew88 said:
You have said that it is true, and then tried to mask it as an opinion.

This, I cannot bear.

You didn't like what I said and you've expressed your disdain - so what?

fitzbew88 said:
What if they take your statements at face value? What if they see your posts labeled as "Admin" and determine that you must be an expert?

I'd find that hilarious and depressing.

fitzbew88 said:
Can you not see the potential damage?

Nope.

fitzbew88 said:
What if your posts are stumbled across by someone considering a career at NASA? What if a graduate student somewhere is gathering the nerve to try for a *serious* study of UFOs and comes here and sees allegations like this? What is he/she going to think? ("They're all nuts.")

Hopefully, he/she would think it through and arrive at a conclusion independently rather than be 'told' what to think.

fitzbew88 said:
To me, the potential damage you might do is incalculable. Limited only by imagination.

And boy, what an imagination you have there. The damage is so small, as to be incalculable

fitzbew88 said:
I am choosing to ignore this; as I don't think it's relevant.

Suit yourself - it's key to the entire argument, so I can see why you would choose to ignore it.

fitzbew88 said:
Rick, an allegation is not an idea.

Yeah it is - I have an idea that alleges that NASA is covering something up. Can I prove it? No. Did I say I could prove it? No. Do I care either way? Not really - how can I demonstrate otherwise? I can't. Do I find these ideas interesting? Yes, because I think it's healthy to explore alternative realities.

Will NASA collapse because I've suggested they might be covering something up? Of course not, that's a ridiculous stance to adopt.

fitzbew88 said:
Am I taking it too seriously ---- maybe. What is worth fighting for? Well, NASA's good name seems to me to be worth fighting for --- the space program's reputation seems to be worth fighting for.

It seems worth defending.

Do I have a personal interest? Of course I do. NASA is my agency. I pay for it.

Let's hope they're spending your money wisely.
 
Rick Deckard said:
fitzbew88 said:
You know I have been wondering [hesitating] to implore G & D to consider implementing some rules for the forums. I mean, some of the insanity being permeated by at least one of the admins isn't helping "improve the field" or "find the truth" or separate our community from the rest of the insanity out there.

Sounds like you want some sort of censorship of 'ideas'.

I don't know how you and I are going to agree on this but:

Allegation <> Opinion <> Idea

And yes in an ideal world we would censor out any wild-eyed unproven hurtful allegations --- but I don't truly believe we (the community as a whole) would ever agree on what should be censored.

I guess you are right this does not sound very forthright. The thought of it makes me feel kind've queasy.

Still, it would be nice if there was some kind've accountability for wild-eyed unfounded allegations.
 
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