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Tutankhamen/ R1b DNA-bloodtype

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Kieran

Paranormal Adept
One of the Great Pharaohs of Egypt Tutankhamen, has a DNA type RB1, which is only found today in people that live in the Basque Region of Northern Spain, Ireland, Nova Scotia, Wales, Scotland and parts of England.

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Curious. However Tutenkhamun, the son of the "heretic Pharoah" Akhenaten, did not actually live for long enough to become a "Great Pharoah"... The only reason he is so well known today, why his grave was so well preserved, was that he was too obscure during and immediately after his lifetime to be a target of grave-robbers. Tutenkhamun's present-day fame comes almost entirely from the discovery of his burial site in the early 20th century CE.

The "curse" of the Pharoah, by the way, is thought now to come partly from the kind of microbes that lie dormant in such closed, dry environments as ancient mausoleums &c.

There has been a lot of interesting speculation about his predecessors though -- everything from trying to "diagnose" Akhenaten with various conditions, to suggesting that Nefertiti (the queen) was the later Pharoah Smenkhare!! I know little enough about the truth or even the evidence to make any forceful assertions in these matters... But indeed it was a fascinating period in Egypt's early history.
 
Curious. However Tutenkhamun, the son of the "heretic Pharoah" Akhenaten, did not actually live for long enough to become a "Great Pharoah"... The only reason he is so well known today, why his grave was so well preserved, was that he was too obscure during and immediately after his lifetime to be a target of grave-robbers. Tutenkhamun's present-day fame comes almost entirely from the discovery of his burial site in the early 20th century CE.

True, Great Pharaoh probably not, best known, maybe?

I will put a disclaimer on what I just said above. In know way has this information been officially announced, to the public yet, still however, this information, was allegedly leaked to the public, by sources, who had insider knowledge to it, and the case, was further boosted by the fact, some claim, this was a mistake by the way!!

The discovery channel aired a program, over a year ago, called King TUT unwrapped, it was all about the life of Tutankhamen, the young Egyptian boy pharaoh, and the later medical- DNA testing, of the mummies of Tutankhamen, and Akhenaten ( his alleged father before this) and Amenhotep III his alleged grandfather.

Well it seems by mistake the discovery channel aired a number of programs showing the computer screen models medical results of Tutankhamen showing the number DYS 389i- which clearly is bloodtype- R1b a DNA type, which is belonging to a person of a Western European heritage.

It's earth shattering information if true, and it seems to be at this time, well this tells us then the Egyptians, are of Western European origin, or perhaps had a mediterranean ancestry origin?

This also would be earth shattering evidence, because this would be confirming, at least some of the myths and legends that exist, to be close to the truth, then not, some legends do claim the Egyptians migrated from Spain- Basque Region to Egypt sometime in our past, in the last 12,000 years or so..

This is controversial, because it rewrites Egyptian history, and people will be up in arms, to protect this information from coming out, it also disproves the Egyptians were Africans or of Middle eastern origin, of course, you know people, will start claiming the white man is trying to rewrite Egyptian History, completely false of course, as DNA doesn't lie.

I'm not surprised by this information myself, as the Basque people are the oldest known race of Western Europe, and are also genetically linked to the peoples of the British Isles, one of the more wilder speculations, out there also, is the Basques are not basques, but a people who long ago, came from the kingdom of Atlantis and Lemuria, which was destroyed by a massive Earthquake near the Canary Islands. A wave an aftereffect destroyed the Island of Atlantis.
 
True, Great Pharaoh probably not, best known, maybe?

I'm not surprised by this information myself, as the Basque people are the oldest known race of Western Europe, and are also genetically linked to the peoples of the British Isles, one of the more wilder speculations, out there also, is the Basques are not basques, but a people who long ago, came from the kingdom of Atlantis and Lemuria, which was destroyed by a massive Earthquake near the Canary Islands. A wave an aftereffect destroyed the Island of Atlantis.

It's still very interesting information though -- cheers. Also the language of the Basque is one of the few in Europe that is not part of the Indo-European language group. (Finnish is another, and also Ancient Etruscan) which suggests a separate origin for at least a part of the Basque language and culture.
 
Theres also myths that europeans are the descendants of Atlantians and that egypts founders where surviviors of Atlantis alot of these myths maybe BS but they still make a interesting to the open minded and intoxicated
 
mm I've heard those theories too. The most compelling theory re. Atlantis is that it may have been an island that erupted at about the time of the Minoan civilisation. Although honestly it is also possible that Plato just made it up.
 
Very interesting! I have been curious about the Basque people for a long time because they seem to be such an oddity.

And I also see this story being buried.
Remember the mummies that were found to have nicotine in thier tissues a few years ago? There was a lot of "Harrumphing" and the words "Impossible" and "Fraud" thrown around for a while. Then mainstream researchers came out and said something like "Well, OK, it's nicotine. BUT, it must have come from a now extinct plant in the Middle East."
No evidence whatsoever about a nicotine bearing plant, just speculation and lame attempts to keep the mainstream ideas of history propped up.......Then, the story was buried and forgotten.
The same will probably happen to this information.
 
mm I've heard those theories too. The most compelling theory re. Atlantis is that it may have been an island that erupted at about the time of the Minoan civilisation. Although honestly it is also possible that Plato just made it up.

Of course, it could be just a story, but the fact the tale of Atlantis, is so rich in historical truth one must keep always keep open mind. What I mean by "Historical Truth" is Plato story of Atlantis, does not have fictitious characters in it, one would expect this in a telling of a false story, many of the characters, who'd have a specific role, in the telling of the Atlantis story, today we know, had lived in Ancient Greece, in times just before Plato.

Plato also has given some real dates for when Atlantis existed. Nine thousand years before he was born, and the most crucial part, is his description of were Atlantis once stood, he doesn't tell the tale in an imaginary fashion to me, or in a dreamed up way, he goes into lot of detail about it, and describes actual places, and areas, which may mean something to everyone who've read the story of Atlantis.

If Atlantis existed, for me it was most likely a sea-boat/ naval fleet world power.

It may be unpopular with some people, but there is know evidence, for me Atlantis, was a nonhuman colony, or something else. It more than likely to me, was a place settled by humans, who were slightly, more ahead technologically perhaps, to other people across the world at the time?
 
The way I see it is that we all came from a common ancester. while the location is disputed most believe we originated from Africa, what I am getting at is people is people. In other words the simularities out number the differences a thousand fold, but unfortunatley people seem to place greater importance on difference, which in my opinion is a mistake and leads to conflict and racism.
I would consider myself to be British as I was born in England, but overall I consider my self to be a world citizen as I have heritage from England, Greece, Spain, Germany, Egypt, Ireland, Scotland and Wales!
I trully believe that "culture" seperates people not race, and am confident any Nation/Power that judges or discriminates against its own citizens or those of other nations because of their race is doomed and will be destroyed. Let us take Nazi Germany for example, they were full of hatred and believed that they were the superior or chosen race! what a load of bollocks! they totally underestimated the inteligence and guile of their opponents like Britain and the Commonwealth, Russia and even the US. The world was in crisis and thank god we (the world) won and smashed the Nazis and their accomplices. Sadly some people these days seem to be obsessed with these ignorant Nazi war criminals. I feel sorry for these people because they seem intent on denying their own heritage and only limit themselves, I am not a religious person but if there is Heaven and HELL I know where the Nazis and their sympathisers are going! the same place as people who hate or discriminate on the basis of race. (rant over)

In my mind there is little doubt that the Egyptians were trading with countries very very far away like South America and that is how nicotine and cocaine shows up in mummies, Infact I think its more logical than inventing some new species of plant which we have no record of, lets be honest if they could build massive structures that we still do not fully understand, why could they not cross oceans and seas!

And as for Atlantis to me the only thing in dispute is the name and the location, I am positive that many civilisations have been swallowed by the Ocean, Just imagine the tsunami that recently hit Japan hitting a coastal civilisation without 10m sea walls or defences, it would be wiped off the map! (if there was one).
 
Well certainly there are Pacific Islands disappearing even with the gradual rise of sea-levels today. And for the tsunami -- even Google was issuing possible high wave / tsunami warnings all over the Pacific rim (I live in New Zealand).

I intend one of these days to look through Plato's Republic, particularly with regard to the context of the Atlantis story and possibly why he might have told it -- have heard so many different theories including that it may have been an example of a "moral myth" that he was using as a substitute for what he considered an "immoral" mythic tradition of his people.

Shall keep an open mind. After all, the Establishment poo-pooed Schliemann about Troy. (Luckily there were clear geological "markers" given by particularly Homer's Iliad which he was able to utilise as clues. Atlantis may be significantly harder to pinpoint in such a manner.)

I also agree that we are all people -- racial lines aside. I consider my own ancestral origins to be important to me, naturally. (English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh. Which makes me Pakeha, here.) Interesting that independent studies on both mitochondrial (female-line) and Y chromosome (male-line) DNA seem to indicate a similar date for our common ancestors of around 100,000 years or so. ~~And San (Bushmen) are considered to be the "oldest" race.

Frankly I don't see how it is genetically possible for our species absolute origin to be in more than one place, as has also been postulated. Independant evolution that lasts long enough for one species to turn into another would surely not produce the same species in each instance. (As with Homo Sapiens Sapiens -- there's an arrogant self-assigned appelation if ever I've heard one lol -- and Homo Sapiens Neandertalis.)

Don't know how I ended up on such a lengthy speculative jaunt... But, enjoy. ;-)
 
If true, this would comport with what archaeologists have been slowly finding for decades--that humans have been traversing this planet for longer than originally thought. Very interesting.
 
There is some good technical discussion of this here. The comments section has some good debate. The summary as far as i can tell is that R1b is not definitive proof of anything.
 
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