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UFO Caused Aircraft Crashes

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tommyball

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The issue of a significant increase in aircraft accidents and crashes (both civilian and military) in the late 1940s and early 1950s supposedly due to UFOs was raised by Bill Birnes a few weeks ago on the show. I've also heard Stan Friedman mention it in his interviews promoting the "Shoot Them Down" by Frank Freschino that Stan wrote a forward for.

What sort of evidence is there for this increase in crashes?

Covering up a UFO incident is one thing, covering up what may have averaged up to a crash a day is another...

-todd.
 
Shot in the dark here, but have you read the book? It may be in there!

I have tried to buy it a couple of times and can't find it at the bookstore (one close to me is usually pretty good about carrying the newer books liek that).
 
Michael L. said:
Shot in the dark here, but have you read the book? It may be in there!

I have tried to buy it a couple of times and can't find it at the bookstore (one close to me is usually pretty good about carrying the newer books liek that).
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No I haven't read it. I was just wondering if anyone here knew of any evidence available outside of the ufology arena (or perhaps someone has had better luck Googling it than I have) to support this rise in crashes.

I'm assuming that there are lists of aircraft crash statistics by year where one could easily look and deduce that yes there was a marked increase in the years mentioned by ufologists.

-t.
 
The only thing I can think of is the FAA's investigation into those crashes. They might tell the only other story out there. I don't know if military crashes would be included with those reports, however.
 
Poi said:
The only thing I can think of is the FAA's investigation into those crashes. They might tell the only other story out there. I don't know if military crashes would be included with those reports, however.
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Military incidents and accidents are not investigated by the FAA unless they involve civilian aircraft. Military aircraft are subject to some FAA guidlines and rules but are overwhelmingly exempt. I believe that you can FOIA for military aircraft accident reports, but in order to get good data back, you need to know something of the case beforehand.
 
Is this of any use? It's not much, but it's better than nothing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_notable_incidents_and_accidents_involving_military_aircraft#1949

I should think records of any alleged UFO-related crashes would be classified. Or classed as something else.
 
If I remember correctly, the crashes mentioned during the early fifties involve all sorts of aircraft, not just military and they were not just confined to the U.S. It would be a huge undertaking to try to verify all the reports and results of investigations, but one could start with the F.A.A. and FOIA requests.

You might find something in the Cometa report. England has released and is releasing more documents. Maybe there's something there.
 
Most of the MOD files I've read here in the UK, simply document civilian sightings of UFOs, although of course, there are also files on Rendlesham and Cosford. Nothing I can recall on UFO-related air crashes, though.

Does anyone know if the Australian government has released any files on the Valentich UFO case?
 
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