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[boulders and sticks]

Hi All
I recently picked up a book called Contact of the 5th kind. By Phillip j Imbrogno and Marianne Horrigan. I have not heard these names spoken about in the show, but noted that Phillip Imbrogno has written about the Hudson Valley sightings.
Anyway I brought up into conversation to my Girlfriend that it had some fascinating cases and i am more surprised about the none interest people show on the subject.
My question is when you speak to friends, family, or anybody for that matter, do you find that some get angry with you?
I don't mean furious, but just agitated.
My Girlfriend has fairly deep Christian values. What i notice is when i bring this subject up with her, at first she seems to be listening then very quickly gets uncomfortable talking about it. She is a very passive person but this subject seems to get her rattled. Or maybe i am just Boring her?
I find the reaction, or none reaction to this phenomena, just as interesting than the subject itself.
I would love to hear if any of you find the same.
Cheers John.

 

[threed]

Such reactions are probably fairly typical. Most people just think it's a completely whacko idea because it is so far removed from their everyday life experience. While others already hold to some strict belief system which they cling to with tooth and nail (for fear of doubt). Something like the existence of other life in the universe (and all the rest of it) challenges their worldview.

I think that many people go through their entire lives very comfortably -- without ever experiencing their psychic rugs pulled out from under them (what I call a "PKD reality shift"). And until that happens to you, you can remain just arrogant enough to continue thinking you can actually have the "truth" in your pocket.

 

[boulders and sticks]

Such reactions are probably fairly typical. Most people just think it's a completely whacko idea because it is so far removed from their everyday life experience. While others already hold to some strict belief system which they cling to with tooth and nail (for fear of doubt). Something like the existence of other life in the universe (and all the rest of it) challenges their worldview.

I think that many people go through their entire lives very comfortably -- without ever experiencing their psychic rugs pulled out from under them (what I call a "PKD reality shift"). And until that happens to you, you can remain just arrogant enough to continue thinking you can actually have the "truth" in your pocket.

Do you yourself bring this subject up in mixed company at all?
I remember my Dad told me once that he always had difficulty with idle small talk at events like dinner partys etc; He gave me the example that it was like tossing a small ball between each other and your job was to keep it in the air. He of course would drop it, with no real intention of doing so. They would give him a very disapproving look and then bring out another ball.
I guess they didn't like his ball?
Maybe most people don't like our balls!!
John.

 

[threed]

I guess it depends on the nature of your balls and what you do with them.

I don't know of any UFO balls being passed around door-to-door. None of them have shows on every Sunday morning begging for money. None of them propose to interfere in other people's personal business and how they choose to live it. None of them try to impact public laws and impose it on everyone else. None of them have historically murdered millions of people for no better reason than they didn't agree...

So, I guess it depends on what kind of balls you have.

 

[skunkape]

That subject is brought up in the May 17th show.
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[Schuyler]

Yeah, I talked a bit about that, calling it 'active disinterest.' To reiterate for those who did not listen, my house is a little strange. The family room is lined with booskhelves containing my collection of about 300 titles on UFOs (some very old) along with a hundred or so books on the paranormal, life after death, Seth, Atlantis, etc., plus about 100 on Christian religion. The rest of the house is also full of books. I have about 2100 altogether, but the ones people are likely to see are the ones in the family room where guests will spend their time. Also there are a few alien statues--the typical Grey, and a few UFO pictures are on the walls. I even have a picture of a Beamship circling around a tree!

I don't want to over-state the case. There are lots of other pictures and paintings, a couple of gargoyles, a very nice T-rex dinosaur, my collection of pewter wizards and dragons, a couple of 5' tall of mermaid lamps, and a model of HMS Surprise. The dining room is a UFO-free zone.

The thing that is interesting as a sociological study is people's reaction to this. It is very rare that people ask me anything about this. I see them look at the Christian books and I can almost hear them thinking, 'My God! Schuyler is a Jesus Freak!' They don't say a word. Then they walk over to the UFO books and repeat their performance by saying--absolutely nothing.

We get new people in all the time. My wife and I donate 'dinner parties' which are auctioned off by our favorite charity. They've become somewhat popular (blush!) over the years so a group of six or eight people will bid several hundred dollars for dinner. We buy some good wine and get out the good china. I can pretend to be a wine snob and say, 'You know, Parker rated this Riesling a 91, Let's see if it measures up!' If the people are always different, I can get away with cooking the same couple of 'gourmet' recipes I know over and over again and they'll never know. Clam spaghetti, rustica. Our last one was Ethiopian. We always have a lot of fun.

I've asked my wife if she would prefer these books go upstairs. I could replace them with our fiction collection, or the many books on computer history or science, but she seems fine with them where they are.

Now if "I" walked into a house and saw all these UFO books I would be yelling, 'My God! There's Bethurum and Adamski! there's Dolan and Friedman, Good and Fuller, Corso and Hynek. There's everything Hopkins ever wrote! And Strieber!" It's all here. It's a treasure trove. But people simply will not engage on the topic. You would think people might say, 'I see you are interested in UFOs. I've never paid much attention. Can you give me a quick rundown on what you think is going on?' or they might say, 'I see you have the Urantia Book alongside Meier's 'A Marginal Jew' (in 4 volumes. Meier is a renowned Christian scholar and priest). What's up with that?'

But ne'ery a word. It's active disinterest, I say! The topics are too scary!

 

[Ally]

Schuyler,
Your house sounds awesome. It is interesting how your guests do not even ask questions. When I walk into a house I notice what is around and it would have to be quite strange for me not to ask questions about the odd books or paintings that were around. I think things are scarier when there is no understanding or discussion involved.

 

[boulders and sticks]

That subject is brought up in the May 17th show.
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Hi Skunkape
I relistened to that segment. In fact my Brother was with you on that show(Dusty). I feel the same as him on talking to family about this,but since living here and making new friends in the USA it is more difficult. The area I live in Northern California has a large religious community. Mainly christian. So i am largely silent about this in Public. Mark and I do enjoy long conversations about this. Which is a releif, also the Paracast has helped a great deal.
I heard that your girlfriend also seemed to get angry when you spotted those lights off hwy35. Does she have any strong beleifs one way or another? Have you ever talked about it since?
Cheers John.

 

[boulders and sticks]

Hi Schuyler.
That post is an interesting example of how a lot of people react.
When is your next Auction?
I think that the ego is largely at the bottom of this pattern to ignore.
Lets take it from the other point of veiw for a minute.
If i was to walk into your house and see all the books lining the wall it would not take Sherlock Holmes to deduce that you have a great interest in this phenomena. So because the Ego is so fragile in many of us, we decide to just ignore it. We all I beleive at one time or another seek out like minded people to shore up our ideas (Ego's). The more difficult and challengeing path to walk is to open our minds up to other points of veiw.
To let go. This subject is to diffficult for the ego to handle. The funny thing is, when the ego gets a handle on things, that's when the problems start
Cheers John.

 

[Gareth]

Hi All
I recently picked up a book called Contact of the 5th kind. By Phillip j Imbrogno and Marianne Horrigan. I have not heard these names spoken about in the show, but noted that Phillip Imbrogno has written about the Hudson Valley sightings.

Imbrogno was actually on the Paracast for an interview. Talking about the Hudson Valley sightings.

April 13, 2008 Philip J. Imbrogno and Jim Moseley | The Paracast with Gene Steinberg and David Biedny | The Gold Standard of Paranormal Radio

September 7, 2008 Philip J. Imbrogno | The Paracast with Gene Steinberg and David Biedny | The Gold Standard of Paranormal Radio


I apologise if I misunderstood what you were saying. (which is entirely possible seeing as no one else pointed out that Phil Imbrogno had been a guest)

 

[111uminate]

Schuyler, your home does indeed sound most triumphant! I would certainly have that very reaction you articulated upon walking into that room. I myself have a rather humble book collection barely filling a single shelf of a book case, but it'll grow as time permits for sure.

I'll agree that the sociological facet of the subject is certainly interesting, and always has been for me personally. While it may be difficult to have a discussion on it with someone "uninitiated", I find that you can still glean something from that sort of interaction. It allows you to vicariously revisit that time when you were first curious, plagued with questions, and forming those base opinions that you may still hold now, or left behind you.

In terms of a girlfriend, I can say I might have lucked out in that department based on what some have intimated on these forums before. She likes to hear me "ramble on" about the subject, and occasionally teases me about it in a cute way, like buying me boxers with aliens or UFOs on them, or getting a "I want to Believe" poster. .. Er, that might have been too much information, but you get the general idea. :shy:

 

[AnnetteMarie]

Yeah, I talked a bit about that, calling it 'active disinterest.' ... But people simply will not engage on the topic. You would think people might say, 'I see you are interested in UFOs. I've never paid much attention. Can you give me a quick rundown on what you think is going on?' or they might say, 'I see you have the Urantia Book alongside Meier's 'A Marginal Jew' (in 4 volumes. Meier is a renowned Christian scholar and priest). What's up with that?'

But ne'ery a word. It's active disinterest, I say! The topics are too scary!

Ya, it is too scary. People see things like that and they wonder about you. I have had people basically sneer at me when they saw my bookshelves lined with sci-fi, and romance alongside. I am used to carrying my books in a bag...

I think people think like this: I know what I am inside, and how I think and feel, so if I had those books in my home, it is okay. BUT I do not know how this person in front of me thinks inside, or if he is a psychopathic weirdo, my gawd, that is scary he has those books! or she has those books... etc. They must be crazy. Don't mention the books, just take a calm looksee and walk away...

People are afraid of anything which they don't have proof of the inner workings.

My thoughts. two-bits worth this afternoon.