Welfare

[bobheck]

Put your welfare discussion items here.

 

[bobheck]

Welfare came about in the 1930's out of the New Deal. It's one of the planks of communism. An ever growing tax on the working class, redistributing wealth to those who are unable to take care of themselves.

Welfare, if you are unable to work, isn't something that should be stigmatized. If you are handicapped, or infirm, and have no support structure, you should be taken care of to a degree.

The surest sign of a prosperous nation, is when the dumbest of the dumb, have a place to live that they can afford on a minimum wage salary. Yes, that's right, a MINIMUM WAGE SALARY.

My father when I was a kid, was making $3.45 an hour, and back in the 1970's wasn't exactly a bad wage. It wasn't great, but he was able to feed a family of 4 with what he made, and my mom decided to work part time after we got old enough to take care of ourselves.

The point is, we have perceived wealth in this country. It is purely perception. Our dollar doesn't buy one 20th it used to, and that is by design.

With that said, who ever said it was my responsibility to take care of other people? More important, who made it compulsory? If I help someone with their car who is stranded on the highway, that is my choice. If I give money to a homeless shelter, that is my choice. I am DIRECTLY able to help someone in need.

There used to be institutions who helped people. The poor, the downtrodden, those who were unable to help themselves. You know what they were called? CHURCHES. They used to help people all the time, before they became tax shelters for organized religion. I see more private institutions helping the homeless than I do churches. Do you know why? Because churches require the homeless to sit through a sermon or two before helping them out.

We require welfare recipients to do nothing in this country.

When you require something of someone who is used to sitting on their ass all day doing nothing, they become indignant. Welfare is NOT a career choice, or even supposed to be income. It's supposed to help you through a rough patch so you can get off of it quickly. If you are on a disability, cannot function in society and have noone to help you, then that's where the state should kick in to a degree. NOBODY has a right to the wealth and prosperity of others. NOBODY.

I resent people who demand more welfare, because there's NO oversight, NO accountability, NO demands made on those who receive it, and the worst part, is that we have illegal aliens drawing welfare who are FELONS for being here in this country illegally in the first place!

If the welfare crowd has a right to demand more of my tax money, then I have a right to demand a certain amount of community service, and urine tests for drug use.

The quickest way to get rid of more than half the people on welfare would be to demand some civil service, and mandatory drug tests. That would disqualify more than half right off the bat. Which would mean that those who really DID need assistance would get more benefits who actually deserved the help.
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From Tommy Allison, moved from other thread

 

[bobheck]

(from AnnetteMarie)
I wish the ones in charge of our health system and our social housing, etc., had to live on what they expect those homeless, or other disadvantaged folks to live on. While they are in office, mind you.

We had a fellow in our Province who said everybody on welfare is capable of working, so their funds were cut harshly. Yup, live on a rent and utilities allowance of 375 a month, buddies, see what kind of life you can scrape up with that.

No, I am not talking about the folks who take that money every month and then make a few thousand or more selling drugs, etc. I am talking about people whose appearances are so offputting, they cannot get hired, people who are just not quite smart enough to hold a job, or folks who just walk around shell-shocked, totally incapable of understanding what life is.

Let the politicos live on the scraps they offer others. During their terms. You might see more people in it as a service to their community, then.
After all, isn't that what they say they are in it for?

The crap about being in politics to serve their country, I am so sick and tired of hearing that from each and every turkey who gets elected. It completely pollutes the ones who actually look at it as a privilege.

Our politicians here gave themselves a big, fat, raise almost the minute they got through the doors a while back. That was after chopping up legal contracts for healthcare workers because it was costing the Province too much money.

Yay politics. Oooh, boy. I think I got up on the wrong side of the bed, today....

(moved from other thread - should have been posted prior to Tommy's, sorry.)

 

[AnnetteMarie]

gosh, now that it is where it belongs, it isn't so much fun anymore...

 

[mike]

selling taxation to an American is like selling the antichrist to a christian........
once more for the gipper..............

Taxation is your Subscription to Civilisation.

has been since the doomsday book
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domesday_Book

Americans need to pay MORE tax........thats the only way to pay off a debt.
down here welfare is a very good safety net, and the worst thing about seeing a Doctor.... is the wait... it can take up to an hour sometimes even more and thats with an appointment. but its free. even the specialists..... free. if you are sick and need the attention, you get it.
if you are disabled, you will be looked after.
if you are unemployed you will be given rental assistance and money, and access to services to get you employed including free public transport...
dental..... if you dont have a job its free, though a basic service, ie if in doubt pull it out.
and thats for as long as you are unemployed... 6 months or 6 years......or 60....

of course we dont have a fleet of nuclear powered aircraft carriers and subs to pay for..............

we do require a type of "communism" to function as a society

a society without Tax is a society without Police or Courts, and with a burglary rate to go with it. in an ideal tax free society you could rely on the "goodness" of your fellow citizen not to rob you everytime you leave the keep, sorry family home, but thats not whats going to happen.

Anarchy is what we had Before taxation and law and order, and its been superceded for good reason .

like it or not you DO need to subscribe to civilisation, just as you DO need to wear pants to the grocery store.

how that tax is being spent, which in turn determines how much you need to pay, is another matter again.

the devil as usual resides in the detail