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First, I realize I'm new to the forum and I may not yet have the chops here to make this type of post. If so, I apologize in advance.

I am an open minded skeptic of the paranormal- I need to be shown the facts. I definitely hold out the possibility that we could be having contact with extraterrestrials or crypto-terrestrial. I have not ruled out the existence of Bigfoot, ghosts, or any other paranormal entities.

But I'm at a point at which im asking "what are we doing?" Correct me if I'm wrong, but the number of paranormal mysteries that have been proven to have a paranormal cause stands at zero. Everything we've learned has had an explanation in alignment with our mundane universe.

Whatever happens after death (if anything) is a black box. Research into UFO's, abductions, magic, ghosts, sprites, faeries, yada yada yada, goes no where past anecdotal evidence and iffy physical data.

I'm not sure where this is headed, perhaps a crisis of faith? What do others think?
 
I'm saying..crisis of fath? I dont believe in any great value in faith beyond the love one has personally for family, friends, spouses, symbols, or some universal whozit. Basically, except for your heart-felt love everything in this world is questionable (to differing degrees). So, don't sweat it! :p
 
Since there are so many undocumented and unexplained events that point to the possibility of the existance of paranormal activity, I think that it bears investigation. (Just to kinda address your point)
 
First, I realize I'm new to the forum and I may not yet have the chops here to make this type of post. If so, I apologize in advance.
No need to apologize ( to me anyway ). So long as you can read and write and have something that is in some way constructive to contribute, then fire away :).
I am an open minded skeptic of the paranormal- I need to be shown the facts. I definitely hold out the possibility that we could be having contact with extraterrestrials or crypto-terrestrial. I have not ruled out the existence of Bigfoot, ghosts, or any other paranormal entities.
Well, that sounds less skeptical than me, and I believe UFOs are alien craft and that they have visited Earth.
But I'm at a point at which im asking "what are we doing?" Correct me if I'm wrong, but the number of paranormal mysteries that have been proven to have a paranormal cause stands at zero. Everything we've learned has had an explanation in alignment with our mundane universe.
There's that concept of "proof" again. The concept of proof for claims of an experiential nature is subjective. There's plenty of proof for some people, and far too little for others. The challenge is to recognize when there's enough evidence to consider it reasonable to accept that such claims are true. This speaks to the standards of evidence one requires, and that can be trickier than anticipated. It's not always as cut and dried as a controlled experiment.
Whatever happens after death (if anything) is a black box. Research into UFO's, abductions, magic, ghosts, sprites, faeries, yada yada yada, goes no where past anecdotal evidence and iffy physical data.
I'm not sure where this is headed, perhaps a crisis of faith? What do others think?
The types of claims mentioned above may seem like they all belong in the same box, but they don't. UFOs stand apart because there's nothing unscientific about the possibility of UFOs. On the other hand, faeries, ghosts, sprites and yada yada yada, have no basis that we know of for being scientifically possible in the first place, and they are therefore relegated to the realm of fiction and nonsense, at least until some reasonably plausible mechanism is revealed that can allow for their existence.
 
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serious analysis of Ufology, at least, continues to this day and there are many bright points of hope: the CAIPAN/GEIPAN 2014 conference is an important recent example, so is the work of Isaac Koi who is paving the way for solid UFOlogical investigation and historical analysis; Chris Rutkowski is a very bright light whose annual UFO report and related analysis is solid and continues to be based on real data with conservative interpretation that is open ended and very thoughtful; Greg Bishop, whose Radio Misterioso knows no bounds when it comes to serious inquiry and in depth conversation with leaders in the field and even common speculators with intriguing ideas, continues to challenge Ufology to go further and reinvent itself; the work of Curt Collins and countless other independent researchers also demonstrates a dogged determination in the field as did the Roswell Slides Research Group that brought together skeptics, debunkers and sympathetic critics alike to solve a problem. i would also point to one of the people that first demonstrated to me that real critical analysis can move the ball forward, Jerome Clark, whose UFO Encyclopedia (2nd edition) highlights more than just iffy material but the hardcore cases of Ufology whose event anomalies have multiple data points proving an advanced technology at work in our atmosphere. and there is still Jacques Vallee who continues to lead the pack in innovating the field and yielding incredible contributions from his definitive pro-ETH analysis to his evolution of thinking that damned the ETH making him heretic and now leads by pointing at the critical directions we can proceed in given what we know and what we've collected - it's a lot and it's very convincing that something physical is going on in our skies that's not just in our heads.

but there is a looming crisis of redundancy in Ufology that with the digital era so much noise can be generated and regenerated even after certain noise was squashed. there is also the issue of many ETH proponents refuse to yield to more open minded approaches putting the cart before the horse all the time because it seems obvious or that it's easy to do so - this is also a limiter ideologically. but, as we learn to record, crunch and analyze current databanks better we create some new directions. there is always serious research taking place that is not being talked about as well - i don't mean Ray Stanford, but independent groups and cabals who have their own missions and may only release to themselves until something meaningful is found.

in fact, the deeper you delve into the history of research and investigation into the phenomenon the more you come across some very interesting figures who did move the stone ball up the hill an inch or two, and then they died, disappeared, committed suicide or stopped working in the field for whatever reason. their work still has excellent value and will form the true Visible College of the future for Ufology to be based upon. the signal continues to be separated from the noise. it seems to me though that serious researchers are releasing very sparingly and it is not popular reading; it will not put bodies in the seats for the conference and has nothing to do with large UFO organizations of the past. but the work is being done and you have to dig to find it and it requires a lot of brain crunching to take ideas for yourself out of it. in many cases being bilingual helps a lot.

as far as the rest of the paranormal field or all that crap on TV - well, that's just crap on TV and there's a lot of crap at conferences as well. believerdom creates a lot of problems and makes a lot of money to promote the ice cream and sugar of various fields. best to avoid that high calorie content and forage for good anti-oxident wild nuts & berries. seek and ye shall find.
 
serious analysis of Ufology, at least, continues to this day and there are many bright points of hope: the CAIPAN/GEIPAN 2014 conference is an important recent example, so is the work of Isaac Koi who is paving the way for solid UFOlogical investigation and historical analysis; Chris Rutkowski is a very bright light whose annual UFO report and related analysis is solid and continues to be based on real data with conservative interpretation that is open ended and very thoughtful; Greg Bishop, whose Radio Misterioso knows no bounds when it comes to serious inquiry and in depth conversation with leaders in the field and even common speculators with intriguing ideas, continues to challenge Ufology to go further and reinvent itself; the work of Curt Collins and countless other independent researchers also demonstrates a dogged determination in the field as did the Roswell Slides Research Group that brought together skeptics, debunkers and sympathetic critics alike to solve a problem. i would also point to one of the people that first demonstrated to me that real critical analysis can move the ball forward, Jerome Clark, whose UFO Encyclopedia (2nd edition) highlights more than just iffy material but the hardcore cases of Ufology whose event anomalies have multiple data points proving an advanced technology at work in our atmosphere. and there is still Jacques Vallee who continues to lead the pack in innovating the field and yielding incredible contributions from his definitive pro-ETH analysis to his evolution of thinking that damned the ETH making him heretic and now leads by pointing at the critical directions we can proceed in given what we know and what we've collected - it's a lot and it's very convincing that something physical is going on in our skies that's not just in our heads.

but there is a looming crisis of redundancy in Ufology that with the digital era so much noise can be generated and regenerated even after certain noise was squashed. there is also the issue of many ETH proponents refuse to yield to more open minded approaches putting the cart before the horse all the time because it seems obvious or that it's easy to do so - this is also a limiter ideologically. but, as we learn to record, crunch and analyze current databanks better we create some new directions. there is always serious research taking place that is not being talked about as well - i don't mean Ray Stanford, but independent groups and cabals who have their own missions and may only release to themselves until something meaningful is found.

in fact, the deeper you delve into the history of research and investigation into the phenomenon the more you come across some very interesting figures who did move the stone ball up the hill an inch or two, and then they died, disappeared, committed suicide or stopped working in the field for whatever reason. their work still has excellent value and will form the true Visible College of the future for Ufology to be based upon. the signal continues to be separated from the noise. it seems to me though that serious researchers are releasing very sparingly and it is not popular reading; it will not put bodies in the seats for the conference and has nothing to do with large UFO organizations of the past. but the work is being done and you have to dig to find it and it requires a lot of brain crunching to take ideas for yourself out of it. in many cases being bilingual helps a lot.

as far as the rest of the paranormal field or all that crap on TV - well, that's just crap on TV and there's a lot of crap at conferences as well. believerdom creates a lot of problems and makes a lot of money to promote the ice cream and sugar of various fields. best to avoid that high calorie content and forage for good anti-oxident wild nuts & berries. seek and ye shall find.

Burnt, I wanted to start a new thread with the article copied below but, as often, could not locate a device to enable a new thread. Anyway, I just came across this article by Martin Kottmeyer which seems to me to point in one direction new research could take -- the history of the 'wrap-around' eyes of aliens, and their penetrating 'telepathic' effects, variously reported and its possible origin(s). I hope this particular subject interests you; I would be interested in your thoughts about the possible meaning of this often-reported 'eye' phenomenon..

"The Eyes That Spoke"
by Martin Kottmeyer

In his final book, Aliens From Space, Donald Keyhoe briefly recounted his involvement in starting the investigation of Barney and Betty Hill that eventually led to John Fuller's publication of The Interrupted Journey, the first major work of the alien abduction mythos. Keyhoe was mystified more than anything else by the hideous faces of the aliens. The heads were oddly shaped with no ears and compressed noses and mouths. Worst of all were long slanting eyes which extended along the side of the head creating a sinister look. "What caused the subconscious minds of these two people to create these pictures from their imaginations has never been fully explained." [1]

Keyhoe could not accept the case 100%, he later admitted in a 1975 interview, but he did not reject it either. As mysteries go, Keyhoe's question seemed safely rhetorical. Who knows why anyone dreams of one monster and not another? How would anyone even begin to investigate such a problem?

What could not have been foreseen was how serendipity might step in to break this minor mystery. The local PBS station a few years ago decided to rerun the old TV series The Outer Limits. It was one of the most visually amazing programs of my youth, and I eagerly tuned in to experience once more such sights as the horrifying Zanti misfits, the bee girl, moonstone, Borderland's ionic gale, the down-shifting time machine of "Controlled Experiment," and David McCallum's evolution into a mega-brain.

It was during the showing of the episode "The Bellero Shield" that I felt the uncanny frisson of deja vu. The eyes of the alien were unusually long and wrapped around the side of the face. It quickly hit me these eyes were just like the wraparound eyes that were drawn in The Interrupted Journey -- and the later more detailed drawing the Hills did in collaboration with the artist David Baker.[2] Though I couldn't articulate it at that instant, there were other similarities which had contributed to the sense of a close relationship: no ears, no hair, no nose, and a cranium shaped like a bullet tilted backwards 45 degrees. I was excited by the possibility of a match because I was reasonably sure there were few or no other examples of aliens with wraparound eyes in science fiction cinema. Moments later however my excitement became subdued. It dawned on me that The Outer Limits was a series of the mid-Sixties and the Hill case dated to the early Sixties-- 1961 or 1962. "The Bellero Shield" couldn't have been an influence. Still, the book came out in 1966. Could the lag be significant?

After the program ended, I dug into my library for a round of late night research. "The Bellero Shield" aired February 10, 1964. The Hill's UFO encounter happened in the morning of September 20, 1961. That probably should have killed the idea of any kind of influence, but the resemblance was just so compelling I couldn't shake the feeling there had to be a relationship. I reread The Interrupted Journey. To my delight I discovered there was no mention of wraparound eyes in the earliest account. Betty's dreams, written down a matter of days after the UFO sighting, mention men with Jimmy Durante noses, dark or black hair and eyes and a relaxed human appearance that she said was "not frightening." This is all quite different from the final product. The changes emerge in the hypnotic regression with Dr. Simon. The most salient issue was to know when the wraparound eyes were first described. That turned out to be during a hypnosis session involving Barney dated February 22, 1964. Not only did "The Bellero Shield" precede Barney's first mention of wraparound eyes, it did by only 12 days! I was immensely pleased.

I ordered the script of the show next. My thoughts were so distracted I realized I had missed the dialogue. This yielded additional evidence for the relationship. Judith, played by Sally Kellerman, is conversing with the Bifrost alien and asks it if it can read her mind. It answers, "No, I cannot read your mind. I cannot even understand your language. I analyze your eyes. In all the universes, in all the unities beyond all the universes, all who have eyes, have eyes that speak..." Judith, intrigued, asks how it speaks her language. It elaborates, I learn each word just before I speak it. Your eyes teach me." [3]

In saying all eyes speak, the Bifrost alien is conveying a truth and simultaneously dodging the human/alien language barrier problem by a unique dab of poetic license.

In the same hypnosis session in which Barney drew the wraparound eyes, there is this exercise in confusion: Yes. They won't talk to me. Only the eyes are talking to me. I-I-I-I don't understand that. Oh -- the eyes don't have a body. They're just eyes..." [4] Barney's confusion about the talking eyes is one most viewers probably shared over the writer's gimmick employed by the episode's creators. The notion shared by both texts that eyes can talk defies dismissal via appeal to commonness or coincidence. By any measure, the case for influence here is not just satisfactory, it is exemplary. At least one abduction researcher has granted this point. [5]

The discovery of this pseudomemory will not shock hypnosis experts. They have long been aware of the danger on confabulation in regression work. There was no reason to expect The Interrupted Journey's narrative to be immune from such contamination. Belatedly, Keyhoe's question thus finds itself answered with the mundane corollary that Barney had watched the science fiction/horror series The Outer Limits shortly before his subconscious was called upon to imagine what a scary alien ought to look like. Betty's dream aliens were too normal to justify the fear he displayed during the original UFO experience.

Barney's confabulation has other interesting repercussions. As Thomas E. Bullard has pointed out, "wraparound eyes" is a term that has become common in the abduction literature. [6] Case after case can be pointed to of people describing alien abductors with eyes that wrap, curl, or taper around the head. Some that UFO buffs may recognize include: Carol Wayne Watts, 1967; "Canadian Rock Band Abducted," 1971; David Delmundo's 1972 contact with the turban-sporting Ohneshto; the 1977 Langenargen abduction (a major German case); the Andreasson Affair; Harrison Bailey; South Dakota Connection (MUFON, March 1983); Paris Colorado; the Mirassol abductions; "Jennifer"; Tom Holloway, D.D.S. (in Boylan, 1994). [7] Others exist, but this will suffice to indicate the influential nature of the Hill case on the history of the imagery of abduction experiences. Before the Hills, wraparound eyes seem largely, probably totally, absent in the UFO literature. Cinematic aliens sporting wraparound eyes are similarly largely absent. But not totally. I eventually discovered one other instance. It is an unnamed mutant in the film Evil Brain from Outer Space, a Japanese film imported in 1964. Interestingly, one of the heads of Projects Unlimited which provided the monsters for The Outer Limits was named Wah Ming Chang. He was a talented sculptor and designed most of the head sculpts for the series. This may hint at cultural roots in Eastern myth or kabuki theatre, but I'm not prepared to follow the trail the distance to prove it.

The motif of the speaking eyes did not share in the popularity of the wraparound eyes. There is one example in Edith Fiore'sEncounters. The abductee named Victoria describes aliens communicating by simply looking at each other. It is tempting to speculate that the alien bonding practices involving staring described in Secret Life are descended from Barney's talking eyes, but there are many complicating factors such as strong hints of Star Trek's Vulcan mind meld and a rich cluster of psychological symbolisms in staring eyes, such as love, intimacy, supervision, contempt, and predators, that seem more rewarding avenues of interpretation. The paucity of speaking eyes probably reflects the poor nature of verbal memory compared to visual memory. The confusing nature of the idea of talking eyes probably doesn't help. It may also be that hideous eyes have a defining role in creating an appropriately paranoia-inspiring iconography. As Keyhoe apparently sensed, they are more believably alien. The eyes say Them.

To the psychosocial theorist, the eyes whisper us.

Notes
  1. Keyhoe, Donald. Aliens from Space. Doubleday, 1973, pp. 243-5.
  2. "New Drawings of Hill Abductors," UFO Investigator (April 1972), pp. 3-4.
  3. Scene 24
  4. Fuller, John. The Interrupted Journey. Dell, 1966, p. 124.
  5. Bullard, Thomas E. "Folkloric Dimensions of the UFO Phenomenon," Journal of UFO Studies #3, 1991, p. 40.
  6. Bullard, Thomas E. UFO Abductions: The Measure of a Mystery FFUFOR. 1987, p. 243.
  7. Kimery, Tony L. "Carroll Wayne Watts - Contactee, Hoaxer of Innocent Bystander," Official UFO, 1, #11, October 1976, p. 33. FSR 29, #3 Stevens, Wendelle. UFO Contact from Undersea. Stevens, 1982, p. 148. Schneider, Adolf & Illobrand von Ludwiger. "Brilliantly Shining Objects and Strange Figures in Langenargen" in Interdisciplinary UFO Research, MUFON-CES Report #1, 1993, p. 142. Andreasson Affair, p. 25. Rogo, p. 130 MUFON Journal. March 1983, p. 3. UFO Contact from the Reticulum Update, p. 341. UFO Abduction at Mirassol, p. 298. J. of UFO Studies #3 , 1991, p. 100. Boylan, Richard J. & Lee K.Close Extraterrestrial Encounters. Wilflower, 1994, p. 99.
 
A very interesting article Constance. Thank you very much for posting it and reinvigorating this thread that is deserving of more attention. If the signal is to be separated from the noise then it requires some diligence and important data points. This article highlights my ice cream of Ufology - tales of alien abduction and close encounters with humanoids. It also points to the archetypal case, The Hills.

The one case title immediately caught my attention because it is not north american and I'm not familiar with the 1977 Langenargen abduction from Germany. I'm sure I tripped over these leafy throated classic, alien drawings before but the memory, alas, it weakens. But as I researched this case, guess what, it took place at Lake Constance, so that set me more in earnest to investigate. The publication it led to is a wonderful portal to many a great Ufological publication, but this text, covering European cases, itself is fantastic. You will find the Langenargen case detailed on page 45 of 109 pages in the scribd document and on page 48 of the official document. A great read. Here are a look at the relevant drawings:
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Ludwiger -Best UFO cases in Europe
When I look through this above heretofore unknown text I am amazed. So much research. So many publications. And while degrees of excellence may vary, standing back at looking at the tumultuous mountain range of data how can any reasonable person say nothing strange is going on? Unfortunately, there is no true Visible College, no real true traced lineage of research, though there are so many academics who deserve to be heard and given their due in the context of a very palpable history that demands serious inquiry.

Now as for the eyes that whisper us, you know I am especially doubtful about stories of telepathy as I see these narratives unfolding too easily internally and then mistaken as an external voice. But I still believe there is much more to speak about regarding these eyes as they are, as humans know, the most intense method to communicate with another. Anyone who has stared deeply ino the eyes of another for any period of time, like staring into the eyes of any animal, is to enter ino an alien realm, where no words are needed. I'd like to say more but I need to go spin some Halloween movies in the backyard and drink some spiked coffee. Later, sister.
 
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I just came across this article by Martin Kottmeyer

Constance, thanks for posting the Kottmeyer artcle. There is actually debate as to which Outer Limits episode hypothetically inspired Barney Hill’s hypnotically recalled alien description, and whether “The Bellero Shield” does in fact include an alien with “wrap-around” eyes.

As you noted Martin Kottmeyer does cite “The Bellero Shield” as the inspiration for Barney’s hypnotic recall. But in the following articles UFO skeptic Jason Colavito argues that “The Bellero Shield” episode does not include an alien with “wrap-around” eyes, and would not have been that much of an inspiration to Hill. (He also points out that Barney didn’t really describe “wrap-around” eyes under hypnosis, he described “slanted” eyes which were different from Asian eyes.)

In his articles Colavito argues that instead the alien in “The Children of Spider County” episode does include “wrap-around” eyes, and it would have been this episode that inspired Barney Hill, or alternatively possibly elements from “Spider County” and two other Outer Limits episodes, or alternatively possibly elements from the three Outer Limits episodes, the “Black Leather Jackets” Twilight Zone episode and the 1953 film Invaders from Mars.

The 'Eyes' Have It: Which Outer Limits Alien Inspired Barney Hill's Abduction?

Alien Abduction at the Outer Limits

It should be noted that the Outer Limits speculation only speaks to the facial details of Barney Hill’s 1964 hypnotically recalled “aliens”, not to whether Hill recalled seeing beings in the craft. Hill consciously recalled seeing beings through the windows of the craft from the moments in September 1961 when he was standing in the field looking through binoculars at the object hovering 100 feet away from him. This was two years prior to The Outer Limits going on the air. About a month after the sighting, on October 21, 1961, the Hills met with NICAP investigator Walter Webb and Barney described the beings to him. Webb’s October 26, 1961 report includes details (“shiny black uniforms”, “intense concentration” of the “leader”) that it is argued were inspired by TV episodes that were not to air until more than 2 years later.

Walter Webb’s Oct 26, 1961 NICAP report:
http://www.nicap.org/reports/610919hill_report1.pdf
 
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The Bellero Shield Airdate Feb 10, 1964
All Outer Limits Episdes are 1963-1965
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Interestingly the Twilight Zone episode that aired days before their incident called, Two, is about two dislocated people in a post apocalyptic urban setting, where having learned to give up war making, they fall in love in the Twilight Zone, as Rod says at the end of the episode.
 
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The Zimbabwe case comes to mind as the one most likely to be uncontaminated by popular culture representations of aliens circulating in the West. Key elements of the experience of the children involved are captured in this extract:

"One of the older girls described the entity she had seen as a creature with a “small nose and a mouth that was a small, straight line” adding that “the eyes were very big and slanting”. Another described the ET as “thin and skinny with a scrawny neck and eyes that were large and oval-shaped”.

Pointing out that the alien entity never spoke to them directly, a few of the older students noted that they had communicated with the craft’s occupants and were informed by the ET that we were destroying Earth by polluting it, and unless we changed our ways, there would be dire consequences.

“Those thoughts came from the man – the man’s eyes.”

"Dr. Mack analyzed the interviews and concluded that the children did not experience a mass delusion – what they had witnessed that day was real.

“[The children] experienced a very powerful encounter with these beings and we’re left with a rather disturbing fact that this seems to be what it is and it seems to have no other psychiatric explanation.”
Dr. Mack analyzed the interviews and concluded that the children did not experience a mass delusion – what they had witnessed that day was real."

Zimbabwe school mass UFO sighting - 62 children independently confirm saucer-shaped UFO and alien sighting - Altered Dimensions Paranormal
 
The Zimbabwe case comes to mind as the one most likely to be uncontaminated by popular culture representations of aliens circulating in the West.

Yes, my thoughts exactly.

I’ve always found it striking to compare Barney Hill’s description with those of the children of Zimbabwe. The girl speaking at 2:50 in this video is a particular example.

 
The Zimbabwe case is definitely a top 5 for me as I think most would agree that many of the wrong reasons adults may have to lie/hoax about UFOs are probably just not in the character make-up of kids of that age.
They aren't thinking of selling books, getting onto Coast to Coast, putting one over the true-believers etc.
They were interview by an extremely well regarded Prof of psychology, they made drawings and like the case near Melbourne, Australia, there were a fair number of witnesses.

Most of the usual go-to debunking arguments are non starters because the object landed very close by so we can rule out Venus, swamp gas .....need I go on?

Beings if a type were reported seen at quite close quarters and while I definitely stop short of naming bona fide EBE's + interstellar craft from wherever, something completely abnormal occurred and was probably as close to unique as my fingerprints!
 
I agree with almost everything you say, Goggs, except that what the Ariel school-children experienced in Zimbabwe does not seem to me to have been unique. Far from it, I'd say.
 
While I am especially fascinated by the various school sighting cases with the multiple witnesses and the power of children's drawings, the skeptical side of me asks some other questions. Cynthia Hind visits these kids shortly after to have them complete drawings and her initial interviews. She interviews a select number of the students, not all, so there are only similarities in the small cohort. What did she say to the kids in their interviews? Did she lead the witnesses? Could there be contamination of the witnesses by her? What do the other witnesses say?

In her own initial report she expresses some confusion over where the craft could have landed given the nature of the terrain.

Others comment on the possibility of mass hallucination, a shared episode of surreal proportions which is not without precedence amongst school children.

Regardless, it is a fascinating case and I can not wait to see this long anticipated movie.
 
While I am especially fascinated by the various school sighting cases with the multiple witnesses and the power of children's drawings, the skeptical side of me asks some other questions. Cynthia Hind visits these kids shortly after to have them complete drawings and her initial interviews. She interviews a select number of the students, not all, so there are only similarities in the small cohort. What did she say to the kids in their interviews? Did she lead the witnesses? Could there be contamination of the witnesses by her? What do the other witnesses say?

My impression is that John Mack worked with Cynthia Hind in investigating this case [there even seems to be a picture of the two of them together in a classroom at the site I linked] and that one or both of them wrote about their investigations at the school. We'd need to read those texts, I think, and as much as we can of what the children, teachers, and parents said after the event, to understand whether the children were "led" by Hind. I for one consider it a hopeless task to attempt to find out the backgrounds, psychologies, and reliability quotients of all the witnesses to CEIII events reported and investigated over the last 50+ (and probably more) years. I also think that no amount of such investigation could overcome the weight of the descriptions of the 'lived realities' of these experiences and their persistence in memory.

Others comment on the possibility of mass hallucination, a shared episode of surreal proportions which is not without precedence amongst school children.

I think you have to go back to the Cathars to find the kind of 'mass hallucination' you're looking for, and even then we can't be sure of what was experienced by those involved. I think most sane people, including children, have a grounded sense of what they experience, even in abnormal situations.

Regardless, it is a fascinating case and I can not wait to see this long anticipated movie.

It's a documentary, isn't it? Who's producing it and with whom as consultants? I hope this isn't going to be a Hollywood production.
 
For me the most interesting aspect of this and other CEIII encounters is expressed in this quotation from one of the children in Zimbabwe:

“Those thoughts came from the man – the man’s eyes.”

A number of these children reported receiving a communication from the being they approached, communication of specific content concerning the condition of our planet, the same content we've heard from numerous others involved in these kinds of events and other kinds of ufo-related events. We're familiar with these recurring statements of global environmental danger in the West, but people in other parts of world, remote from our popular culture and media, are not similarly familiar with them. One of the young children in Zimbabwe also stated that the being conveyed to him the danger of our rapid technologization. It's quoted in that site I linked above. We'd be mad to ignore these recurring messages from these anomalous beings.
 
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Forgot to add that the telepathic nature of these communications is also extremely interesting. Telepathy is not unknown among our own species, going far back in our history and studied extensively by psychical and parapsychological researchers for the last 130 years, which under the materialist spell of our time we continue foolishly to ignore.
 
It's a documentary, isn't it? Who's producing it and with whom as consultants? I hope this isn't going to be a Hollywood production.

The Ariel School documentary is being created by Randall Nickerson. It was initiated in 2007 by the John E. Mack Institute and the Institute has been working in cooperation with Nickerson during the making of the film. A Facebook post on the documentary’s page a couple of days ago said they are still on track to complete the film within the next 4-6 months.

From statements Nickerson has made, it sounds like he is committed to making the film in the best possible way. He has access to the entirety of the 1994 raw footage. And the last I heard, which was early this year, Nickerson had met and filmed new interviews with 45 of the 62 witnesses. The witnesses are now living in various locations around the world. That along with the fact that the film is being financed largely through private donations is a reason it has taken as long as it has to complete. In the film Nickerson is also going to explore the other sighting reports that occurred in the area throughout the week of the Ariel School encounter.

The film's web site contains a clip on the film.
Ariel Phenomenon

http://johnemackinstitute.org/2008/01/ariel-phenomenon/
 
I agree with almost everything you say, Goggs, except that what the Ariel school-children experienced in Zimbabwe does not seem to me to have been unique. Far from it, I'd say.

Let me clarify Constance. Unique as in several classes of elementary age children witnessing a landing at close range and beings from the object also being seen and supposedly communicating.

Of course there are many accounts of landings and beings witnessed but I'm not aware of another school incident with all these aspects. The Melbourne case did not involve any occupants if memory serves.

Also there is a Russian case with a landing in a city park with tall beings but not outside a school. I'm open to learning of more but of what I have learned personally thus far about Ufology, the particular elements of the Ruwa case are one unique set of circumstances in a record of many 'unique' events reported but of course far from unique when looking at all the parts that make up a case.
 
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