What happened to all the "aliens?"

[Mogwa]

It seems that every North American ufo contactee account invariably involves the presence of the so called grays. What happened to all the other physical variations that used to be reported? Even a casual perusal of past cases reveals a startling spectrum of variations, from automatons that look like floating trash cans to flap eared goblins. Sightings from other parts of the world, such as the Voronezh and Varghina incidents, rarely involve the participation of anything remotely resembling a gray.
What tentative conclusions, if any, can we draw from this? Have the visitors divided up the planet into spheres of influence? Is someone or something adjusting the perceptions of observers to conform to cultural archetypes? Or is the entire contact phenomenon an elaborate ruse being used to screen another agenda altogether?

 

[David Biedny]

All the above. And other possibilities we've yet to imagine.

dB

 

[Aaron LeClair]

Well, books and books can be written on this. And with everything stated raises more issues in which more books can be written on. Far too much to go through in one post. I'll just touch on a few related issues. Much more to say however.

According to David Jacobs, the greys are being seen less and less in his work. The hybrids seem to be taking over things. How accurate is his observations? Don't know. If David and Gene ever have Budd Hopkins on, it might be something worthy of discussing with Budd. Perhaps ask Budd if his work mirrors the same results as Jacobs.


I still see a wide variety of reported beings. The only consistency that seems to be throughout the history of close encounters is, the vast majority are humanoid. Two arms, two legs, head, neck, torso, two eyes etc. How it all looks in detail varies.

Joe Nickel likes to thump a chart of reported beings without discretion. Many beings on his list are extremely uncommon and from cases that are unimpressive. Meaning, apparent hoax or psychological. He then uses this against the greys, or a majority of consistent reports. I consider this moronic. Because there are different doctors doing some quackery doesn't under mind legit medicine. He also uses this to show cultural bias. In order to do so, we would need to quantify how good the cases are in comparison with one another. So far as I know, he hasn't done this.

I am in agreement with cultural bias, however this is due to what I'll quickly call the bandwagon syndrome, media, movies, and hoaxes. Religious views as well.

It is conceivable that maybe different beings gravitate toward certain regions more so than others. However without going into the caliber of cases, this is futile to conclude in my view. I remain open to it, but not convinced.

MUFON field investigator manual (which I have) has a large list of beings in it, like the chart Joe Nickel uses. I am unsure from memory if it is the same one, so for now I will just say similar. MUFON purposely does not discriminate in favoring a type of being in the manual as an attempt to be objective as possible, unlike Joe. Many might come across the list and be confused with Joe's spin, forgetting that many of those beings are just from a handful (or even just 1 case) and take the ball and run with it and conclude that the different types of beings contradict core cases of greys or whichever type of being is favored.

I am very convinced most abduction or contactee reports are not real occurrences. Hoaxes, suggestion via culture and/or therapist, and sleep paralysis explanations seems to suffice well enough. I am speaking of not only the works of others, but that of my own. It's similar to ufo reports. Most reported ufos can be explained. A small percent can't by using the mundane.

I can easily entertain the notion that any given being associated with a close encounter case may be a manufactured being. Snythetic, or genetically engineered to carry out abductions, and/or dimensional leaps, or high speed flight and long distance travel. Not the ETs or whatever is behind it itself. If this happens in even a small percent of cases, this might explain some questions we have about location, and appearance. As well as time periods. I may go into further detail on this later. Again this is a complex topic and there's much to say on it.

 

[Moshi Dayan]

A.LeClair, I agree with you but I may be a bit more hardcore. I think that probably 87% of the "alien" abductions we hear about are complete moo poo.
Some people are just mentaly ill and want to grab some limelight...you know, the whole 15 minutes of fame deal. Then you have your phonies like Linda Mouldy Howl who thinks every cow that dies was mutilated by aliens in black helicopters...pshft! I've heard this "internet opportunist" promoting a well known hoaxer in south America. She knew damn good and well he was a hoaxer too, no excuses for the inexcusable. Five minutes earlier she'd berated a guy for mentioning the problem of our wide open southern border with Mexico, maybe the biatch will get run over by a drunk illegal on the way to one of her fabulous anal cored cows. I grew up on a farm and I can tell little miss credulous that insects and rodents do the "coring" the whole "no blood" issue aint an issue at all. Blood coagulates pretty fast after old Bessie kicks the bucket and field mice and ants both remove soft tissue with "lasar like precision". Yep, she's in the UFO Hall Of Shame. Here's a handy link! http://www.ufowatchdog.com/hall5.html .
Then you have about 5% who just got drunk passed out and woke up being anally probed by the nieghbors Wiemariner (they ARE gray you know), and writes a book about his or her horrible otherworldly encounter. 2% of well publicised encounters are just jokers who want to tell us some ridiculous story to see how stupid we really are (the general public has an IQ which is the same number as room temperature...that's pretty stupid). 1% make up secret government alliances with the "tall Whites", "the Greys", or "the Nordics". Some dopes think we are buying the "I was such a super duper scientist the government needed me to reverse engineer alien space craft" these no credential having jerks spin a web of total schmooze with maybe a little underwhelming "scientist talk" to dazzle us. Well maybe those of us who don't actually understand any real science...keeps getting them online "shore to shore" for years and still no solid science...pft! Yep, also made the Hall of Shame; http://www.ufowatchdog.com/hall3.html . By the time it filters out you have maybe one or two people who have actually been abducted, and a bunch more who have really had an experience with a creature that is not from around here, but mostly they just looked at each other thinking "Damn that's one ugly sumbitch", before going their seperate ways. Hell I met either an alien or King Possum one night, looked for all the world like Sonic the Hedgehog except it had black hair it wore swept back to the sides of it's very large head, and it had pretty large black eyes, and it was wearing a red, white, and yellow striped cable knit sweater. It was very well groomed. It stood maybe 4feet tall. It looked at me, I looked at it, and neither of us said anything at all.
I got the feeling it was a little frightened because I was so big...I'm a bit over 6'2, and I was a little worried that it might bite me or something, except that it was pretty dignified, so I didn't really think it would bite, but I had no idea WHAT it might do. I sort of held my hand up like an indian might just before saying "How", at which point it turned and stepped back off of my front porch (it wasn't halloween either). A lot of strange things happened for about a week after that, and I'm pretty sure mine were unique experiences. What did they mean? I haven't a clue. I didn't see any UFOs up close or anything, but I did see a red beam knock something out of the sky a hundred or so miles west of my location the night before I met King Possum, that was the night something ufo-like crashed out by England Arkansas...a red glow hung in the sky for an hour easy after the shootdown. I could tell you more but I'd just as soon not, I won't be writing a book about it, nor will I be appearing on any "shore to shore" broadcasts, it was just a wierd week. I've been to Machu Pichu and I did take the Ayahuasca and I encountered the machine elves described by Terrence Mckenna, whose stories I absolutely believe because I've done the same drug, and saw the same things. So there really is more out there than any of us know. I've seen lots of UFOs, I'm an amature astronomer I spend many nights outside looking up, but didn't get to go for a ride. I've heard other people tell about UFOs they saw, some I believed, some I didn't. Maybe I'll talk about some of the other wierdness sometime...just depends on how many programs I hear em talking like they've met King Possum....leeches. Leeches make up another 4% of alien encounters you'll hear about, these people take a story they have read about say in the Paracast Forums and add some B.S. to it, write a book and begin making the talk show circuit. Keep an eye to the sky....you won't be disappointed.
Best Wishes
Moshi

 

[Aaron LeClair]

Just want to make a distinction in terms here.

I can't think of ANY "contactee" reports in which I find impressive. Most turn out to be hoaxes or are so weak in evidence as to be a waste of time. Abduction cases are sometimes more impressive. There are some abduction cases in which I have a very hard time dismissing the notion they may be legit/real. Experiencers generally lie in between those two categories in terms of validity.

 

[Gil Bavel]

The Tall Whites have always been a problem for me.

I'll give you an example.

I was driving in my car one time--this wasn't a bedroom visitation, I wasn't asleep, it wasn't sleep paralysis--although I have had that once, and it is kind of scary, for about five seconds--and I saw some super-bright lights up ahead on the road. Initially I thought they were up in the sky, but as my car approached, I could see whatever it was was on the ground, a bit off the road. The lights were very bright and white-yellow, kind of like the color of sodium lamps.

As I pulled the car over into the clearing, the indistinct bright light became easier to see, and it appeared to be a convenience store! Right out in the middle of nowhere! There were definitely some tall creatures walking around--yep, the familiar Tall Whites.

Funny, I wasn't scared at all, although I'd read about these kind of close encounters in Budd Hopkins' books--I knew right away what to expect, but it didn't even occur to me for some reason to be scared.

Now, here's how realistic this scenario was--when I entered the craft, there was a "door" with a "bell". As I swung it open, it had the exact sort of heft and cold metallic feel that a real convenience store door would have had, and when it closed behind me, I could hear that bell again. Like the Tall Whites had tied one on to the door or something.

One of the Tall Whites was dressed in a cover-all smock or something, and it looked RIGHT AT ME and nodded. Trying to play it cool, I nodded back, and since I still seemed to be under my own control, I quickly moved away from it, toward the back.

The whole ship seemed to be one brightly lit room, with a huge glass front and glass all up and down one perpendicular side. The parallel side from the front had fixtures and machines all over it, with some sort of flesh on display, and little carousels rotating around. There were also spigots, hoses, and I could notice they had set up some kind of behavorial test to see which kind of "drink" I was going to fix myself. Although one of the Tall Whites seemed to not even notice me, the one behind the counter seemed to be almost fixated on my every move, so, I put my hand on what looked like a container of some kind and it felt like fresh wax. It wasn't hot, though, it was room temperature.

I grabbed, hard, and one of the things just came out of the wall, in my hand. It had straight vertical lines on it and different colors, which I can't remember now. I turned to one of the machines, and after looking at the front of it, and not really being able to determine what any of the glyphs or lettering meant, I put the top of it up to what looked like a plastic dispenser, and ice came out! In perfect little cubes!

Well, at this point, because it had made noise, the other Tall White looked over at me, and instinctually, I just started putting different colored fluids into the container with the vertical stripes. I was starting to freak out, so I held the container up to one nozzle and let a little of one liquid pour in, and then another, and then another--and pretty soon it was full.

I looked around and found they had arranged an area with plastic very concisely nearby, so I took a thin, transparent piece and affixed it to the top, and a long, thin one, and inserted it into the center of that. That seemed to work well, and seemed to be the right behavior, because I could see the other Tall White going back to its business, nodding its head and moving something silently down an aisle adjacent to me.

There were no other people there, except for me and the Tall Whites.

I realized that I had better try to get out of there while I still could. Everything seemed to be normal, and I realized that they had made me leave my camera in my car, because it wasn't around my neck. I thought about getting a picture on my camera phone, but I realized it would just come out fuzzy and indistinct--and I didn't want to arouse any more suspicion.

So--tentatively--I approached the counter where the lead Tall White was--I could tell he was the leader because he was at least a foot taller than the other one was--and I was contemplating what forms of death I might have to be subjected to.

Suddenly, it spoke, with that weird mouth, "Suicide".

I was instantly shot through with fear--They were going to control my actions, just like I'd read about in Dr. Jacobs' books, and I'd probably be left on the side of the road with my anus cored out for Linda Multoun Howe to see, with an alien note scribbled in some bizarre unknown language that crime scene investigators would have to assume was from me.... So I quickly and as calmly as I could muster grabbed a couple of bucks from my pocket and set them down on the counter... and ran back outside to my car as fast as I could!

I was afraid the Tall Whites had powerfailed my car, but it started right up. I still had the container with the alien fluids in it, so I put it into my drink holder--funny, it fit exactly--and got the hell out of there, leaving skid marks on the highway.

As I sped off into the night, the bright lights got smaller and smaller in my rearview mirror, and I realized the Tall Whites were not in pursuit. They evidently had just wanted to see how I would perform in their environment.

Although I probably don't recall all the other times I've encountered them and been made to forget, I'll never forget my incident with the Tall Whites that one night... The drink tasted awful, and I poured it out as soon as I got home. The caustic, brown liquid smelled sickeningly sweet and went down the drain in the sink with a hiss. I felt I was lucky to have gotten away with my life.

It's amazing, since then, I see the Tall Whites all the time, and either they think I'm one of them, or they just don't care. I hardly ever see one as tall as that leader though.

This is the first time I've talked about it in public. Man, I can't wait to get back to New Guinea.

 

[The Pair of Cats]

You mean you got a short black from a Tall White?
I'm sure that Linda Moulton Howe would've loved to have seen your cored out anus!

 

[musictomyears]

Apparently, there are now so many weapons in space that UFOs are being shot at, or shot down, on a daily basis. If that is true, Earth has become a very dangerous place to visit. This would explain the apparent drop in numbers of reported direct encounters, in particular with friendly ETs.