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What if Americans Demanded the Ouster of This Government?

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Christopher O'Brien

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[With the US Government it's "do as we say, not as we do." And this has been the case for decades—chris]

by: Dave Lindorff

ARTICLE HERE:
Ukraine’s new rulers, in one of their first acts, have disbanded that country’s riot police. Now without getting into the complex politics of the ongoing struggles in that country, or into the question of the covert role of the US in backing the protests that brought down the old government in Kiev, this elimination of a brutal paramilitary police organization got me to thinking: If Ukraine, which has just gone through a spasm of deadly violence, and which is still in a very dangerous and politically unsettled situation, can get along without riot police, why can’t the United States?

Lately, with political struggles occurring in the streets of Venezuela, Thailand, Ukraine and a number of other places, the US government has been declaring over and over that the governments being challenged should not resort to violence against their own people.

Here’s US State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki on Venezuela:

“We support human rights and fundamental freedoms – including freedom of expression and of peaceful assembly – in Venezuela as we do in countries around the world.”

And here is President Obama, speaking about the police violence in Ukraine:

"We hold the Ukrainian government primarily responsible for making sure that it is dealing with peaceful protesters in an appropriate way, that the Ukrainian people are able to assemble and speak freely about their interests without fear of repression."

Even in Thailand where, unlike in Venezuela or Ukraine, the US is backing the government against protesters seeking new elections, with State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf still insisted that the US supports:

“...a democratic process to resolve the ongoing political tensions in Thailand...We also continue to urge all sides to refrain from violence, exercise restraint and respect the rule of law...and we do, I would note, applaud the restraint shown thus far by government authorities in this regard."

Now let’s compare those fine, high-minded scoldings and warnings -- and remember, we’re talking about three countries where the protesters have been seeking the overthrow of their existing governments, not just for reforms in the system, and protesters, particularly in Ukraine and Venezuela, who have themselves resorted to violence and especially to property damage -- to how our own government these days responds to peaceful public protest.

We need only look back just a little over two years to the brief and numerically rather small Occupy Movement that, beginning in September of 2011, swept the country from Wall Street in lower Manhattan to Los Angeles, Portland and Seattle and from Chicago to Miami. Within weeks of the inception of that protest against the power of the financial industry, against the destruction of ordinary working class and middle class people, and against the rank corruption of the US government, police in almost every jurisdiction where there was some occupation protest began using deliberate, amped-up violence, often quite brutal, to drive protesters from the public spaces they were occupying. We witnessed the random spraying of mace into faces, the firing of tear gas and potentially lethal concussion grenades, the firing of rubber bullets and bean-bag projectiles, often at close range, the widespread use of truncheons, and there were mass arrests.

It turned out, based upon communications obtained through various Freedom of Information requests, that this violent police crackdown in city after city was no coincidence. Rather, it was orchestrated by federal authorities at the FBI, the US “Justice” Department and the Department of Homeland Security, which were passing instructions, guidance, and tactical lessons from one city to others -- for example the idea applied first in Oakland Calif. to raid occupiers at night, using maximum force, while excluding the media -- an approach which was later adopted in most other cities. REST OF ARTICLE HERE:
 
Americans have become spoiled and lazy. We expect everything to be just ok. Republicans have to quit the Republican Party and Democrats have to quit the Democrat Party or else nobody will unite to revolt against anything because we are busy fighting amongst each other.
 
Not just the 2011 response to Occupy WStreet- one only had to look at the deadly response to unarmed protesters in Ohio during the Vietnam war. I think it's safe to say the US govt WOULD resort to violence should similiar protests erupt.
 
i truly thought the majority of yanks were blinded by the brainwashed patriatism fed to them from childhood, to see, what the rest of the world could see.
 
This David Lindorff article was bunk.

No person with proper virus scanning software protecting their mind should fall for it.

Notice how the first thing he demands is that we set aside basic grammar:

"Now without getting into the complex politics of the ongoing struggles in that country, or into the question of the covert role of the US in backing the protests.."

Our grammar thus subverted, his false conclusion seems plausible:

"Americans need to start studying and emulating the actions of those protesters abroad..."

For thousands of years powerful people have known the best way to defeat enemies is not to fight them, but to buy them.


“The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.”― Vladimir Lenin

Read Lindorff's Wikipedia entry and note his loooong history of corporate control.
 
The American Revolution was almost unique in human history by virtue of its leaving the populace more fairly governed in its aftermath. Most revolutions simply wind up trading out one group of oligarchs for another.

Like many of us, quite a few of my ancestors were patriots (before the word became corrupted to mean anyone inclined to wage war first and ask questions later) in American Revolutionary War. Pondering the ways in which our Constitution has been abused over the last 30 years or so sometimes causes a very sad feeling. Of course, you do not need a familial connection to feel that way. Which is precisely the point of our Constitution !
 
The American Revolution was almost unique in human history...

I'm beginning to see this more and more. Study most revolutions in history and we see they usually do result in massive bloodshed, and nothing more than a swapping of one set of oppressors for another.

Robespierre in France
Lenin in Russia
Pol Pot in Cambodia
National Socialism in Germany
Former imperial colonies in the mid 20th century
Iraq, Libya, Jamaica, et al.

Currently I'm studying a complicated thesis which posits that the British have been working to reclaim America since they lost it in 1776, and succeeding.

It's all mixed up with the Cecil Rhodes Trust, the City of London banking houses that descended from medieval Venice, and the Oxford Fabians.
 
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