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What Scientists Really Think of the Public

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Christopher O'Brien

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[Personally, I think the author is sugar-coating this particular subject. Let's face it: The average person really doesn't have a clue about science. If they can pay their bills, balance their checkbooks and raise their kids, they're on top of it, but membrane-theory, the genome project, simple biology, CERN or climate change? Let's face it, most people don't have a clue about "science." We live in a land of Jay Leno sidewalk question bits. Now add a dash of Christian fundamentalism and a growing, seething fear and distrust of science (and it's adherents) and you have a potential storm of villagers w/ pitchforks and pitch-torches hounding "the monstaaah"— in this case, your friendly neighborhood scientist (hopefully Bill Nye). Have you noticed that popular TV shows such as Helix and Lost are subtly programming the "great unwashed masses" to distrust science and are casting perception of the negative aspects of the scientific process into the realm of conspiracy and fear? Hmmm —chris]

Article HERE:
Posted by Alex Berezow/realclearscience.com

The stereotype of a scientist is that of a bespectacled, socially awkward nerd who would rather play with insects than interact with other members of his own species. According to this conventional wisdom, the hermit-like scientist sits perched in his Ivory Tower, stroking his microscope and looking with condescension and contempt upon the uneducated, unwashed masses below. Talk with them... about science? Humph. Why bother?

That (only slightly exaggerated) characterization may be widely believed, but it's not actually true, says John Besley of Michigan State University.

Sure, scientists do think Americans are ignorant of science. When 1 in 4 Americans don't know that the Earth revolves around the sun, it's hard to disagree. What is surprising, however, is that, according to Dr. Besley's research, a substantial proportion of scientists want to engage with the American public despite the fact that they perceive us as a bunch of noobs.

Dr. Besley sent surveys to 5,000 academic scientists, of whom 431 provided usable data. He found that 38% of scientists were willing to engage with the public online, an equal number were unwilling, and 26% were fence sitters. Probing deeper, Dr. Besley found that, contrary to his expectation that reluctance to engage the public was due to haughtiness, scientists expressed more mundane reasons for withdrawal: Lack of time, lack of ability to communicate effectively, and a belief that public outreach is not helpful to their careers. (It should be noted that in a separate publication, Dr. Besley discovered that online communication was the least popular form of outreach; scientists preferred more traditional news outlets or face-to-face discussions.)

Interestingly, Dr. Besley also uncovered that scientists feel that the public is willing to treat them fairly and to listen to their opinions. Importantly, scientists believe that discussing their research with the public is important and can make a difference. This, perhaps, comes as a bit of a surprise, given the increasingly polarized and contentious nature of public debates surrounding issues like climate change.

The main takeaway from Besley's studies is that many scientists want to talk about their research. The trick is to get the other 1/3 to open up more. One way to do this would be to require all federal grant recipients to do some sort of public outreach. Another way would be to change how universities award tenure, perhaps by giving extra points to professors who regularly hold public seminars.

While most academic scientists are not as outgoing as Bill Nye the Science Guy, it's nice to know that many want to be heard. That's a healthy sign for science.

Source: John C. Besley. "What do scientists think about the public and does it matter to their online engagement?" Science and Public Policy 42 (2): 201-214. First published online: July 15, 2014. doi: 10.1093/scipol/scu042
 
We need more people like Bill Nye and Neil DeGrasse Tyson to promote science to those that don't actually know what they're doing - see those that think vaccines are dangerous and food bloggers like the Food Babe.
 
It's an interesting topic, one that I'd expect I know little about. Responding from that position, I'm always delighted to watch a show where there showing science to discover how our brain works, artificial limbs, space, etc., but on the flip I feel distrustful on what directs the actual science that's being done. Cancer has been with us forever and it seems at times little is still known. Ebola was partially studied but dropped when the industry felt it was not profitable. Due to intense media scrutiny it was picked back up again last year. I also feel that those who fund the science are selective on what they share since they own the rights to the work being done. This makes me distrustful on certain subjects like food safety, seed manipulation, chemical reactions analysis, space and of course ET. So basically the guy/gal that's working on brain waves in smart children has my full trust but the other guy/gal that's analyzing my food doesn't.
 
For example - studies show that there's nothing actually wrong with GMO food, since we've been modifying crops for years. It's just that we're now able to do so more efficiently, and that understandably frightens people.

The reply from most people to a statement like that is that they thought cigarettes were good for you as well... the thing is, the world has changed significantly since then, but people still don't trust the science.
 
If you speak of distrust of science... consider this. Remember the great Ebola outbreak? Not too long ago we were led to believe that this man-made disease was going to flood the world. And now? You don't hear a peep about it. It always makes me wonder if some group/government is secretly doing experiments on the human race. Consider that these outbreaks always seem to happen in Africa or some location where it can spread like wildfire.
 
Sorry about my reply, I thought you would find it funny, but I seem as though I may have upset you. Again... sorry bro.

You can believe what you want about the Ebola virus being man-made, but it seems as though it was patented by the CDC for research purposes (snopes.com: Does the CDC Own an Ebola Patent? So yes, what that site is saying isn't exactly false, but the context is quite important.

Regarding answering your question about my sudden return: In the words of HAL 9000, "I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that." :)

Seriously though, I'm back in my office after working on a special project, where I have more privacy to answer on the forum. I also have a little bit more time at home now that my son is 18 months old and is allowing for more free time for me!
 
Sorry about my reply, I thought you would find it funny, but I seem as though I may have upset you. Again... sorry bro.

You can believe what you want about the Ebola virus being man-made, but it seems as though it was patented by the CDC for research purposes (snopes.com: Does the CDC Own an Ebola Patent? So yes, what that site is saying isn't exactly false, but the context is quite important.

Regarding answering your question about my sudden return: In the words of HAL 9000, "I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that." :) To be quite honest, I found your reply to be smarmy.

Seriously though, I'm back in my office after working on a special project, where I have more privacy to answer on the forum. I also have a little bit more time at home now that my son is 18 months old and is allowing for more free time for me!
 
So what are ways we can get people on board with thinking critically and not fearing science? I feel as though shows like Cosmos go a long way.
The issue is that many people are stuck in an echo chamber and frequent the same websites that don't provide factual information.
 
There is absolutely nothing unethical about science. However there sure as hell is something absolutely unethical about it's human nature driven commercial decisiveness and a great deal of the high profile corporate quacks that claim to practice it should be hung. If the science community wishes to part ways with the public's cynical perceptions of them, they need to get out of the business of overtly commercializing their efforts. Especially with respect to that which is driven via a specific political agenda. Mix politics and science and you have an immediate recipe for corruption.

The real problem that the science community has these days is a media fueled projection of it's own internal factional intricacies. It's convoluted at best. Science should be ashamed of people that are nothing more than repetitive simpleton talking head loud mouths like Richard Dawkins and the whole of the Wiki Warrior crowd. That sort of thing is disgusting to the real free spirit of scientific curiosity and research. What the commercial sector of science has done alone to the likes of Anthropology is reprehensible. All in the name of control in the interest of monies. Yuck!
 
Ebola's origin, as in which animal it originally springs from to make the leap to a human host remains unknown at this time despite detailed testing. It is not man made - just random, recurrent and mysterious in terms of origins as far as science knows.

Yes, I see Angelo is back in the house bringing his carefree ways and quick one liners. Look out people! Still, the 2001 quip was quite the retort, you have to admit.
 
Thanks Burnt! I like to inject a little humour into this stuff since some people tend to take themselves a little too seriously.

Richard Dawkins' books are quite good, and I do enjoy some of what he says... but he can be a bit of a dick sometimes. I much prefer NDT and Bill Nye.
 
[Personally, I think the author is sugar-coating this particular subject. Let's face it: The average person really doesn't have a clue about science. If they can pay their bills, balance their checkbooks and raise their kids, they're on top of it, but membrane-theory, the genome project, simple biology, CERN or climate change? Let's face it, most people don't have a clue about "science." We live in a land of Jay Leno sidewalk question bits. Now add a dash of Christian fundamentalism and a growing, seething fear and distrust of science (and it's adherents) and you have a potential storm of villagers w/ pitchforks and pitch-torches hounding "the monstaaah"— in this case, your friendly neighborhood scientist (hopefully Bill Nye). Have you noticed that popular TV shows such as Helix and Lost are subtly programming the "great unwashed masses" to distrust science and are casting perception of the negative aspects of the scientific process into the realm of conspiracy and fear? Hmmm —chris]

Article HERE:
Posted by Alex Berezow/realclearscience.com

The stereotype of a scientist is that of a bespectacled, socially awkward nerd who would rather play with insects than interact with other members of his own species. According to this conventional wisdom, the hermit-like scientist sits perched in his Ivory Tower, stroking his microscope and looking with condescension and contempt upon the uneducated, unwashed masses below. Talk with them... about science? Humph. Why bother?

That (only slightly exaggerated) characterization may be widely believed, but it's not actually true, says John Besley of Michigan State University.

Sure, scientists do think Americans are ignorant of science. When 1 in 4 Americans don't know that the Earth revolves around the sun, it's hard to disagree. What is surprising, however, is that, according to Dr. Besley's research, a substantial proportion of scientists want to engage with the American public despite the fact that they perceive us as a bunch of noobs.

Dr. Besley sent surveys to 5,000 academic scientists, of whom 431 provided usable data. He found that 38% of scientists were willing to engage with the public online, an equal number were unwilling, and 26% were fence sitters. Probing deeper, Dr. Besley found that, contrary to his expectation that reluctance to engage the public was due to haughtiness, scientists expressed more mundane reasons for withdrawal: Lack of time, lack of ability to communicate effectively, and a belief that public outreach is not helpful to their careers. (It should be noted that in a separate publication, Dr. Besley discovered that online communication was the least popular form of outreach; scientists preferred more traditional news outlets or face-to-face discussions.)

Interestingly, Dr. Besley also uncovered that scientists feel that the public is willing to treat them fairly and to listen to their opinions. Importantly, scientists believe that discussing their research with the public is important and can make a difference. This, perhaps, comes as a bit of a surprise, given the increasingly polarized and contentious nature of public debates surrounding issues like climate change.

The main takeaway from Besley's studies is that many scientists want to talk about their research. The trick is to get the other 1/3 to open up more. One way to do this would be to require all federal grant recipients to do some sort of public outreach. Another way would be to change how universities award tenure, perhaps by giving extra points to professors who regularly hold public seminars.

While most academic scientists are not as outgoing as Bill Nye the Science Guy, it's nice to know that many want to be heard. That's a healthy sign for science.

Source: John C. Besley. "What do scientists think about the public and does it matter to their online engagement?" Science and Public Policy 42 (2): 201-214. First published online: July 15, 2014. doi: 10.1093/scipol/scu042
Chris, you just nailed it. We are, as a culture, so relentlessly distracted, dumbed-down, and fearful that the "average American" simply can't spend time thinking deeply about much of anything. And I certainly include myself in that description! I feel like what some critic once said about a Joni Mitchell album, "She's looked around and is very unhappy with what she's found!"
 
Somewhere around the Ninth Grade I realized I was not going to be a scientist. But I can still apply critical thought and follow the right arrow:

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Although Occam's Razor tells us that the simplest answer is likely to be right, the basic idea seems to be true these days as we seem headed over the edge despite what we might learn from science.
 
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