Why aliens don't land

[Ranko]

One of the major questions about UFOs is why the aliens don't land. The general idea is that they understand the concept that, whenever an advanced society confronts a less-advanced society, the less-advanced society suffers or is even destroyed as a result.

I'm wondering if it's something much worse.

Anyone ever read any of C.S.Lewis' science fiction series? The books that noted that the Earth was basically quarantined because the people on it were considered evil?

Maybe that's the case. Maybe the civilization on this planet is considered by the aliens to be so evil, so vicious, so, basically, uncivilized, that they don't want to make contact. For all we know, they could even be doing some type of alien school tours for their college courses- see Earth. See what happens when supposedly intelligent beings practice hate and violence. Be careful, students, or you'll end up like them!

Maybe they don't consider us worth contacting.

 

[fitzbew88]

One of the major questions about UFOs is why the aliens don't land.

For fun, flip the question around: Why should they? Do you think they want to buy refrigerators or fossil fuels? Explore the fun-filled world of the U.N. and international relations?

When I try and put myself in their place, I can't think of a reason to open relations.

Maybe they don't consider us worth contacting.

Well, there's lots of stuff in the literature where they seem interested in talking to us (humans). But I've never read anything *believable* in which they seem interested in formal relations.

For all we know, they may be desperately trying to contact us, but we don't know how or where to listen.

 

[Ron Collins]

Here are some possibilities.

1 -- They are still studying us. Perhaps our forms of thought and communication are, no pun intended, very alien to them. They need to learn about us first.
2 --They might have already tried to contact us, but we do not know how to "listen" for it. To them, perhaps they are screaming or waiting for a response.
3 -- No need, they are already in communication with various governments of the world.
4 -- Their goal is to catalog our resources and await the invasion force.
5 -- The intergalactic contact sub-commitee is in the 3rd draft of the resolution on how to approach us. Should be any day now...galatically speaking.

 

[freemars2259]

There are reports of landings that leave physical evidence that something has been there. Perhaps the question should be why don't the intelligences behind the UFOs (if they exist and I myself think they do) make open contact with our human civilization. My best guess would be that they either don't consider us a true civilization yet (much like we think of the apes), or they have some secret agenda they don't want us to know about, maybe both.

 

[Aaron LeClair]

Jeremy V. should be here soon. He has a book of the same title as the thread I think. And/or documentary.

A lot I could say on this, but I'll only mention a couple. These beings may be in contact with all sorts of other civilizations, and this is just old hat to them. They might not have the ooooh ahhhh factor we do.

One of the reasons for not interfering in a more open way, might be to lessen the chance of their technology falling into our hands. It would be like giving a loaded gun to a 2 year old.

They seem to be able to do what they do, without much hassle. Why change it?

I'm waiting for them to crash in NY city, or the superbowl. Screw the White House Lawn.

 

[musictomyears]

And then there is the considerable risk of getting shot at... I would have thought they don't fancy putting up their "reflector shields" all the time, or whatever they might be using.

To the friendly alien races, we are probably too dangerous and primitive to establish official relations.

And to the less friendly aliens, such as the greys, we are little more than lab rats. Consequently, such aliens wouldn't want to disturb us more than necessary.

 

[schticknz]

There's always the possibilty that the "aliens" are so alien that we can never know their true purpose in being here ... if they are here.

After reading "Hunt for the Skinwalker" (which is strangely anti-climactic) my idea of "aliens" strangely enough is getting more far away from the "nuts and bolts" hypothesis than i previously thought.

Remember we call them "aliens" for a reason ... and thats not because they come from South America

(p.s. the whole Mexican invasion thing people is a diversion ... god some people are sooo stupid :-D)

 

[Poi]

After reading "Hunt for the Skinwalker" (which is strangely anti-climactic) my idea of "aliens" strangely enough is getting more far away from the "nuts and bolts" hypothesis than i previously thought.

That's where it took me too, away from my comfortable niche, not that the thought of concrete in-your-face aliens is comforting, but it's not great being left in woo woo limbo.

I've decided life is one big mystery school. I'm not getting a graduate degree either.

 

[Aaron LeClair]

As much as I like Knapp, Skinwalker ranch has little to offer. With me, it's on hold and on a self. 10 years out there, we need more than stories. If not, lets make a new religion eh?

 

[Ron Collins]

After reading "Hunt for the Skinwalker" (which is strangely anti-climactic) my idea of "aliens" strangely enough is getting more far away from the "nuts and bolts" hypothesis than i previously thought.

That's where it took me too, away from my comfortable niche, not that the thought of concrete in-your-face aliens is comforting, but it's not great being left in woo woo limbo.

I've decided life is one big mystery school. I'm not getting a graduate degree either.

If it was supported with more measurable facts, I would be more inclined to follow this conclusion. However, it is so anecdotal. It offered not a single official filed report. No laboratory results. No corroborative testimony. Just one guy writing a memoir. It needed more to convince me.

Since tone is creating tension in other posts let me first state my intentions. I’m not trying to punch buttons or crawl under anyone’s skin. My next question is just an honest question.

I don’t get the "We are too violent and primitive" argument that keeps creeping up. We have absolutely nothing to base that on. Personally, I think it is a bad idea to look at these beings (whatever they are) and say that they absolutely mean no harm. If you take the Skinwalker Ranch stuff as gospel, it would seem that they are not all that friendly after all.

Especially if you’re a cow.

 

[schticknz]

After reading "Hunt for the Skinwalker" (which is strangely anti-climactic) my idea of "aliens" strangely enough is getting more far away from the "nuts and bolts" hypothesis than i previously thought.

That's where it took me too, away from my comfortable niche, not that the thought of concrete in-your-face aliens is comforting, but it's not great being left in woo woo limbo.

I've decided life is one big mystery school. I'm not getting a graduate degree either.

If it was supported with more measurable facts, I would be more inclined to follow this conclusion. However, it is so anecdotal. It offered not a single official filed report. No laboratory results. No corroborative testimony. Just one guy writing a memoir. It needed more to convince me.

Since tone is creating tension in other posts let me first state my intentions. I’m not trying to punch buttons or crawl under anyone’s skin. My next question is just an honest question.

I don’t get the "We are too violent and primitive" argument that keeps creeping up. We have absolutely nothing to base that on. Personally, I think it is a bad idea to look at these beings (whatever they are) and say that they absolutely mean no harm. If you take the Skinwalker Ranch stuff as gospel, it would seem that they are not all that friendly after all.

Especially if you’re a cow.

I hope never to be a cow in this life or the next.

"Hunt for the Skinwalker" really was kind of anti-climactic in the end. The stories were amazing but unfortunately thats all they were in the end ... just stories ... if i'm to be truly honest. They were mind boggling, paradigm shaking stories but they were just stories. Would have been a better book even with just a small amount of data of some kind ... even a few blurry pictures. Still it has given me some enormous food for thought, and some mental images that will last with me for a long time.

 

[Chuckleberryfinn]

Perhaps they think in terms of efficiency or necessity. If so, their activities on our planet may not require open contact.

Moreover, the whole notion of "contact" presupposes a governing organization on the part of the aliens whose job it is formally to establish diplomatic relations. Perhaps they haven't got any government or system of authority. In that case, contact would take place on an individual basis, one or few aliens contacting one or few humans.

Many reports, some more credible than others, seem to indicate sporadic, individual contact. Depending on one's defintion of "contact," abduction may even be a contact experience.

Some who believe the ETH discuss the preparation for contact hypothesis. (see fermi's paradox and preparation for contact: http://www.ufoskeptic.org/). However, I believe that the optimism of such ETH believers clouds their judgement of the direction of the UFO phenomenon. That is to say, many of them want contact to happen and thus concoct the preparation for contact hypothesis to fulfill their wants.

Someone mentioned Vaeni's book. I haven't read it. What's he got to say about it?

 

[Poi]

As much as I like Knapp, Skinwalker ranch has little to offer. With me, it's on hold and on a self. 10 years out there, we need more than stories. If not, lets make a new religion eh?

I disagree in that the stories at least serve as a reminder we shouldn't put all our apples into a preferred belief system. I can think of explanations for some of the phenomenon, but were I to attach myself to any of those explanations, I'd be doing the equivalent of conforming, or even to forming a new belief system, just as Chuckleberry suggests.

My best guess, and I'm not married to it, is that the universe is neutral. We imprint on it and are subject to all the input ever input, which is why it's so darn confusing. Even if we'd rather do away with previous enhancement or influence, it's impossible. Thoughts are things that influence. I can't get past that, at least for now. Doesn't particularly leave me in comfort, but that's it.

Yes, I realize it's just another belief system. But I know it and that leaves me open to the next. Maybe that's all we get.