Why are people crazy?

[Angel of Ioren]

Seriously, this article made me cringe. People think that evolution is a religious issue?

St. Louis - Daily RFT - Evolution T-Shirts on Trial in Missouri Town

 

[Gojira2006]

I like this quote from the article -


'Yesterday Melby told the Sedalia Democrat: "I was disappointed with the image on the shirt." Melby said. "I don't think evolution should be associated with our school."'


That sums it up nicely - "Let's not evolve into something more intelligent . . ."

 

[Kandinsky]

From an English point of view, the fierce debate in some parts of the States seems very backward. The Evolution versus Creation debate is almost non-existent in England and most of Europe. There's a very tame religion V atheism debate, but afaik nobody is demanding equal rights for creationist ideas. The Archbishop of the CofE accepts evolution. Even the Pope accepts it! Possibly, as an outsider, I'm missing the importance of the debate? It seems like a lot of effort...and for what?

I imagine if the creationist guys get their way, it's a thin edge of the wedge. From accepting that God made everything in days, it's a natural step to again start attributing natural events to either God or the other guy. It's also a well-tried 'get-out clause' every time a preacher or politician gets caught with his dick or hand somewhere it shouldn't be. "Please forgive me! I repent! The devil made me do it! I'm a poor sinner!"

I'm a wishy-washy agnostic that sometimes suspects there may be a greater force at work in life. Whether there is or not, science should be taught free of concessions towards the religious.

 

[skunkape]

Sometimes I think God may have dropped the human-evolution transmission into reverse.
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[MrChud]

Melby said. "I don't think evolution should be associated with our school."'

I think if evolution could have it's say, it wouldn't want to be associated with your school either.

 

[TClaeys]

This is the quote and while it has been used by several posters it pretty much sums it up:
"I don't think evolution should be associated with our school."

Read," I don't think science, evidence, fossils, DNA, or even thinking should be associated with our school". Astounding, simply astounding.

 

[dusty]

Like Kandinsky wrote a few posts back this whole Evolution vs Creationism battle,
from an English/European point of view, does seem more than a little backward.

It really concerns me that a country like America can be so confused over such an issue, and I have wondered why it is that such a ridiculous idea like Creationism has been allowed to gain as much support as it has.
Could it be that the powers that be, actually want the population to buy into this myth as a way of whipping up hatred for other faiths, namely Islam as a way of gaining support for what they have in mind for the future of that part of the world.

Mark

 

[TClaeys]

Mark-

You're talking about Christianity, no??

I don't think the idea of creationism is ridiculous. It could in fact be true. I don't know why, even with evolution, that there couldn't be some type of creator. I mean something started the ball rolling. If you look at that as God, or some type of original "force", the principal is the same. What you make of it is a completely different story.

I'm wondering if what you are saying is the idea that evolution doesn't exist and that creationism is responsible for the creation of all things in their current form is ridiculous. That I would agree with. And I would also agree that religious dogma is responsible for this idea. But the idea of some type of creator (without all the dogma and persuasion) isn't ridiculous, at least to me.

 

[Gojira2006]

Mark-

You're talking about Christianity, no??

I don't think the idea of creationism is ridiculous. It could in fact be true. I don't know why, even with evolution, that there couldn't be some type of creator. I mean something started the ball rolling. If you look at that as God, or some type of original "force", the principal is the same. What you make of it is a completely different story.

I'm wondering if what you are saying is the idea that evolution doesn't exist and that creationism is responsible for the creation of all things in their current form is ridiculous. That I would agree with. And I would also agree that religious dogma is responsible for this idea. But the idea of some type of creator (without all the dogma and persuasion) isn't ridiculous, at least to me.

8) A number of mainstream denominations seem to agree with you, including the Roman Catholic Church, which says that it doesn't see an inconsistency between God & Evolution . . . But that said, look how long it took them to "clear" Galileo . . .

 

[dusty]

Mark-

You're talking about Christianity, no??

I don't think the idea of creationism is ridiculous. It could in fact be true. I don't know why, even with evolution, that there couldn't be some type of creator. I mean something started the ball rolling. If you look at that as God, or some type of original "force", the principal is the same. What you make of it is a completely different story.

I'm wondering if what you are saying is the idea that evolution doesn't exist and that creationism is responsible for the creation of all things in their current form is ridiculous. That I would agree with. And I would also agree that religious dogma is responsible for this idea. But the idea of some type of creator (without all the dogma and persuasion) isn't ridiculous, at least to me.

Hi TC,

Sorry if I wasn't very clear. Like you I do think that there is some sort of creator. My point is, I find it incredible that some folk swallow hook line and sinker what in this case the Bible has to say about Creation.

As has been pointed out many times before, this book along with every other religious doctrine, was written by man for what it seems to me to be the simple reason of containing and controlling people.
I feel that much of it has been edited and chopped about to suit the desires and requirements of the powerful few that have us all by the balls and personally I think it's high time mankind and womankind (gotta be inclusive) got its act together and realised that we have all been sold a crock of shit at the expense of oh so many lives and so much suffering at the alter of some ancient S+M symbol.

Having said all that I do understand that every culture needs some sort of moral framework and needs restriction in what is deemed, acceptable behaviour, and I agree that much of what is contained within the Bible is truly good and helpful to many.

Now back to the point. To my way of thinking evolution makes absolute sense, anyone who thinks otherwise is just a deluded sheep happy to be herded along with all the other crap we are fed daily by the same unthinking morons that keep us exactly where they want us to be.
Please don't think me rude, TC, but you have caught me at one of those moments. Far be it from me to criticise anyone's beliefs. What concerns me most is that whenever I hear news like the original poster posted I do
tend to get more than a little annoyed.

Like Frank Zappa once said,

"There's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over".

Love and Peace,

Mark

 

[CapnG]

From an English point of view, the fierce debate in some parts of the States seems very backward.

That's because it is backward. And it's not an exclusively English point of view, it's the point of view of rational humans around the globe.

In point of fact, the "debate" is limited to mainly southern, mainly evangelical Americans. Unfortunately they weild a grossly dispropotionate amount of political power and media air-time, otherwise this ridiculous nonsense would have been squashed ages ago.

 

[Gojira2006]

That's because it is backward. And it's not an exclusively English point of view, it's the point of view of rational humans around the globe.

In point of fact, the "debate" is limited to mainly southern, mainly evangelical Americans. Unfortunately they weild a grossly dispropotionate amount of political power and media air-time, otherwise this ridiculous nonsense would have been squashed ages ago.

Which is so weird, considering the state of our technological advancement - though you could argue that a great deal of that is due to the arrival of people from across the globe to our universities & laboratories . . . 8)

 

[CapnG]

Which is so weird, considering the state of our technological advancement - though you could argue that a great deal of that is due to the arrival of people from across the globe to our universities & laboratories . . . 8)

Ah yes but remember, in the eyes of those mostly southern, mostly evangelical, mostly conservative Americans, those people are "fur-iners" who "tuk ar jahbs" and recieved a "librul" education at them thar universities and are most likely "terrirsts" and therefore are to be ignored (if not imprisoned/deported).

Because apparently education is liberal... therefore ignorance is conservative? Huh? I never understood that one, personally.

 

[Brain Matter?]

Hi TC,

Sorry if I wasn't very clear. Like you I do think that there is some sort of creator. My point is, I find it incredible that some folk swallow hook line and sinker what in this case the Bible has to say about Creation.

As has been pointed out many times before, this book along with every other religious doctrine, was written by man for what it seems to me to be the simple reason of containing and controlling people.
I feel that much of it has been edited and chopped about to suit the desires and requirements of the powerful few that have us all by the balls and personally I think it's high time mankind and womankind (gotta be inclusive) got its act together and realised that we have all been sold a crock of shit at the expense of oh so many lives and so much suffering at the alter of some ancient S+M symbol.

Now back to the point. To my way of thinking evolution makes absolute sense, anyone who thinks otherwise is just a deluded sheep happy to be herded along with all the other crap we are fed daily by the same unthinking morons that keep us exactly where they want us to be.
Please don't think me rude, TC, but you have caught me at one of those moments. Far be it from me to criticise anyone's beliefs. What concerns me most is that whenever I hear news like the original poster posted I do
tend to get more than a little annoyed.

Like Frank Zappa once said,

"There's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over".

Love and Peace,

Mark

That is the best Sum up of religion i have ever heard!
If you dont agree with that statement then your A= A cave man.
B= A person that thinks its fine not to use your own brain.

Sorry if this afends anyone but this religion thing makes me so angry!