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Why Good People Stay Silent About Evil

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The video ( Dare To Disagree ) I posted here is sort of related to this topic: Consciousness and the Paranormal | Page 8 | The Paracast Community Forums

As for the 911 attack and the subsequent collapse of the WTC, I think it's safe to say that the attack was the work of wacko militant Islamists. However I'm not convinced that the subsequent collapse of the WTC has been proven to be an "evil" deed perpetrated by some domestic agency.
 
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I am of the opinion that murdering thousands of innocent people for financial gain could reasonably be described as "Evil".

Me too. That's why I said what I did about the people who planned and carried out the attack. The subsequent WTC collapse is another matter.
 
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the question is not who committed the act's of 911 randal, but who planned and made it a reality.

It seems to me that those who made it a reality are the ones who committed the acts, and they must have participated to some extent in the planning, though I think the thread for that probably ( but not necessarily ) goes much deeper than the people who were on the planes.
 
Here is the book she refers to which documents how the CIA invented the term "conspiracy theorist", Conspiracy Theory in America by Lance deHaven-Smith from the University of Texas Press...

Conspiracy Theory in America - University of Texas Press

"Lance deHaven-Smith reveals that the term “conspiracy theory” entered the American lexicon of political speech to deflect criticism of the Warren Commission and traces it back to a CIA propaganda campaign to discredit doubters of the commission’s report."
 
Here is the book she refers to which documents how the CIA invented the term "conspiracy theorist", Conspiracy Theory in America by Lance deHaven-Smith from the University of Texas Press...

Conspiracy Theory in America - University of Texas Press
"Lance deHaven-Smith reveals that the term “conspiracy theory” entered the American lexicon of political speech to deflect criticism of the Warren Commission and traces it back to a CIA propaganda campaign to discredit doubters of the commission’s report."

It's hard to get a grasp on the extent to which intelligence agencies and corporate interests have molded society and the public's perception of itself. It almost seems as though the National Security State has now become the society. Maybe it always was.
 
It always was. Elites have employed specialists to psychologically control their livestock for thousands of years.

The Romans employed specialists to sow dissension among groups of militant Jews in order to avoid tax revolts.

European Kings worked with the Church to keep their livestock terrified of "God" and paying taxes.

In the early 20th century bankers created communism and fascism to keep populations in fear of each other and paying taxes.

Today the psychological techniques are the exactly the same, only the tools have become more sophisticated; chemicals and electronics instead of priests and whippings.

A slave who doesn't even know he is a slave. The brilliance of it is awe inspiring.
 
It always was. Elites have employed specialists to psychologically control their livestock for thousands of years.

The Romans employed specialists to sow dissension among groups of militant Jews in order to avoid tax revolts.

European Kings worked with the Church to keep their livestock terrified of "God" and paying taxes.

In the early 20th century bankers created communism and fascism to keep populations in fear of each other and paying taxes.

Today the psychological techniques are the exactly the same, only the tools have become more sophisticated; chemicals and electronics instead of priests and whippings.

A slave who doesn't even know he is a slave. The brilliance of it is awe inspiring.

I think a lot of the above has to do with a personal worldview, and that other personal worldviews could be considered equally valid or perhaps even more balanced. For example, people are social creatures by nature and therefore tend congregate into communities. This isn't some conspiracy theory programming. It's just the way things are, and in order to have a society of any type, there needs to be organization, and that requires some sort of hierarchy or nothing would ever get done, and that hierarchy is going to be organized largely by the abilities of those within the society. So when this first happened, did that automatically make the ones who were tending the crops and animals the slaves of those who decided where it was best to grow the crops and animals? I don't think so. I think slavery came out of the development of politics and law.

Today we might equate social imbalance to slavery, but it's not really the same thing. The complexities of modern society aren't nearly as simple as a master/slave situation. The worker at the bottom of the pyramid isn't owned by the executives at the top. Both have to work to maintain the pyramid or they'll get fired, and while the worker supports the executive, the executive is responsible for all the workers under his or her purview. So the responsibility goes both ways, and on an individual basis, it's the executive that has more to lose. All these intricacies are tied together to service the global system in a way that makes everyone responsible for maintaining some part of that system, and it's far too complex to think it's all controlled by a small cabal of black suited power brokers in some dimly lit room filled with antique furniture and the aroma of fine cigars.
 
It's true that humans are peaceful, self-organizing creatures who naturally develop and enjoy social hierarchies.

Unfortunately, some humans think it is morally acceptable to exploit that fact for their own benefit.

It would be nice if it were as cartoonishly simple as you describe, fat suits in a meeting, but it's not. It's a complex system developed over thousands of years employing billions of winners and billions of losers all with a stake in the game.
 
Humans are just animals, that is all. Nothing more or less special than that. Some are like cattle, some are like eagles...The cattle ones greatly outnumber the ones with free spirits and can fly.
 
Humans are just animals, that is all. Nothing more or less special than that. Some are like cattle, some are like eagles...The cattle ones greatly outnumber the ones with free spirits and can fly.

This idea is what makes it morally acceptable to predate them.

"May the best predator win" is good for me because I am a really good predator when I want to be.
 
I think when humankind believes they are more than animals that is when the real trouble starts. For example, that we have a soul, we know what God wants us to do...You know the real whack-a-doodle delusional stuff. Animals don't kill for fun or thrills, we do. Animals are predators but they eat what they kill and don't waste it. They don't stockpile millions of carcasses and want to stockpile millions more...they just are. We should learn to live like they do. Survival of the fittest works, we would have a whole lot less Honey-Boo-Boo viewers.
 
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It's true that humans are peaceful, self-organizing creatures who naturally develop and enjoy social hierarchies.Unfortunately, some humans think it is morally acceptable to exploit that fact for their own benefit. It would be nice if it were as cartoonishly simple as you describe, fat suits in a meeting, but it's not. It's a complex system developed over thousands of years employing billions of winners and billions of losers all with a stake in the game.

You're just reiterating the same point I made, which was in response to your statement, "The brilliance of it is awe inspiring." Who's brilliance? What is "it"? Your comment is suggestive of some controlling cabal, but my point was that it's far too complex for that. Now you seem to be agreeing. Which is it? The awe inspiring brilliance of some particular cabal or organization, or the social evolution of a global economic super-system?
 
I used to make the mistake of believing there was Someone in command at the top. There is not.

It's just Apex Predators doing what animals do.

Seems that the phenomenon you're alluding to is more than "just" apex predation. According to the article you linked us to, Zoologists define predation as the killing and consumption of another organism (which generally excludes parasites and most bacteria). However if we exclude activities associated with the food chain ( like agriculture, ranching, and fishing ), we're still left with a large sector of human activity that appears to involve the phenomena you're talking about ( the perceived slavery of other humans ).

For example mining, manufacturing, and trade all include elements of control and exploitation made possible by the massive scale on which these activities operate. In these situations predation is at best only metaphor for certain work strategies. And if we take it a step further, there is even a charity sector, where the whole idea is completely opposite to predation, which usually preys on the weak. Here instead we see people actively assisting them.

Lastly, generally speaking, in human society, predation of any kind is considered to be a bad thing, and is even made illegal. So again, this "apex predation" theory is only a piece of a much bigger picture.
 
I think a lot of the above has to do with a personal worldview, and that other personal worldviews could be considered equally valid or perhaps even more balanced. For example, people are social creatures by nature and therefore tend congregate into communities. This isn't some conspiracy theory programming. It's just the way things are, and in order to have a society of any type, there needs to be organization, and that requires some sort of hierarchy or nothing would ever get done, and that hierarchy is going to be organized largely by the abilities of those within the society. So when this first happened, did that automatically make the ones who were tending the crops and animals the slaves of those who decided where it was best to grow the crops and animals? I don't think so. I think slavery came out of the development of politics and law.

Today we might equate social imbalance to slavery, but it's not really the same thing. The complexities of modern society aren't nearly as simple as a master/slave situation. The worker at the bottom of the pyramid isn't owned by the executives at the top. Both have to work to maintain the pyramid or they'll get fired, and while the worker supports the executive, the executive is responsible for all the workers under his or her purview. So the responsibility goes both ways, and on an individual basis, it's the executive that has more to lose. All these intricacies are tied together to service the global system in a way that makes everyone responsible for maintaining some part of that system, and it's far too complex to think it's all controlled by a small cabal of black suited power brokers in some dimly lit room filled with antique furniture and the aroma of fine cigars.
Dang that was well said!!!
 
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