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That makes no sense to me and doesn't seem to address the point. But perhaps if we elaborate:

Real-world magnets have a real-world fundamental property called magnetism. There's no weasel wording that gets around this. It's a fact. Just like it's a fact that virtual magnets cannot have real-world mass or real world magnetic fields, and if what I and others, including Chalmers suspect is correct; and consciousness is a similarly fundamental property of real-world existence, then there's no reason to believe that a virtual representation, no matter how detailed, will also have real-world consciousness. It may be the case that just like magnetism requires real-world materials and physical conditions, the same may be true for consciousness.

We don't have the answers yet to know one way or the other, but the substantial and verifiable evidence does appear to point in this direction. Basically, the day they can get a virtual magnet to attract a real-world paper clip to my screen using only virtual magnetism, will be the day I believe it's possible to create virtual consciousness that has the same properties of real-world experience as we do.

<blockquote data-quote="Randall" data-source="post: 240765" data-attributes="member: 2682">That makes no sense to me and doesn&#039;t seem to address the point. But perhaps if we elaborate:Real-world magnets have a real-world fundamental property called magnetism. There&#039;s no weasel wording that gets around this. It&#039;s a fact. Just like it&#039;s a fact that virtual magnets cannot have real-world mass or real world magnetic fields, and if what I and others, including Chalmers suspect is correct; and consciousness is a similarly fundamental property of real-world existence, then there&#039;s no reason to believe that a virtual representation, no matter how detailed, will also have real-world consciousness. It may be the case that just like magnetism requires real-world materials and physical conditions, the same may be true for consciousness. We don&#039;t have the answers yet to know one way or the other, but the substantial and verifiable evidence does appear to point in this direction. Basically, the day they can get a virtual magnet to attract a real-world paper clip to my screen using only virtual magnetism, will be the day I believe it&#039;s possible to create virtual consciousness that has the same properties of real-world experience as we do.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Randall, post: 240765, member: 2682"] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=4]That makes no sense to me and doesn't seem to address the point. But perhaps if we elaborate: Real-world magnets have a real-world fundamental property called magnetism. There's no weasel wording that gets around this. It's a fact. Just like it's a fact that virtual magnets cannot have real-world mass or real world magnetic fields, and if what I and others, including Chalmers suspect is correct; and consciousness is a similarly fundamental property of real-world existence, then there's no reason to believe that a virtual representation, no matter how detailed, will also have real-world consciousness. It may be the case that just like magnetism requires real-world materials and physical conditions, the same may be true for consciousness. We don't have the answers yet to know one way or the other, but the substantial and verifiable evidence does appear to point in this direction. Basically, the day they can get a virtual magnet to attract a real-world paper clip to my screen using only virtual magnetism, will be the day I believe it's possible to create virtual consciousness that has the same properties of real-world experience as we do.[/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]

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