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You seem to still be missing my point because unless a virtual magnet can be made to interact with real-world magnetic material, the virtual world magnet has zero magnetism, and it makes no difference how convincing the picture of the virtual magnet might be, or how well it seems to interact with other pictures of other magnets. It's just pixels lighting up based on what we tell the little switches they should do. I'm not saying we can't call that a "simulation". I'm just saying there isn't actually any real magnetism in the simulation, and it may be the same situation with a simulated consciousness.

No problem with the idea that a brain can be scanned and simulated on a computer. The leap in logic I am speaking of with respect to the video ( above around 12:35 ) is in the suggestion that if a detailed enough scan of a brain were put into virtual operation in a computer, it would produce real consciousness ( "... and we would have that person's mind downloaded into a computer" ). I'll grant that here we might mince words over the interpretation of "mind" vs. "consciousness", but either way I don't see that in principle, it makes any difference. The words are often used synonymously. Mind ≠ brain.

<blockquote data-quote="Randall" data-source="post: 240769" data-attributes="member: 2682">You seem to still be missing my point because unless a virtual magnet can be made to interact with real-world magnetic material, the virtual world magnet has zero magnetism, and it makes no difference how convincing the picture of the virtual magnet might be, or how well it seems to interact with other pictures of other magnets. It&#039;s just pixels lighting up based on what we tell the little switches they should do. I&#039;m not saying we can&#039;t call that a &quot;simulation&quot;. I&#039;m just saying there isn&#039;t actually any real magnetism in the simulation, and it may be the same situation with a simulated consciousness.No problem with the idea that a brain can be scanned and simulated on a computer. The leap in logic I am speaking of with respect to the video ( <a href="https://www.theparacast.com/forum/threads/you-are-a-simulation.17401/" target="_blank">above</a> around 12:35 ) is in the suggestion that if a detailed enough scan of a brain were put into virtual operation in a computer, it&nbsp; would produce real consciousness ( &quot;... and we would have that person&#039;s mind downloaded into a computer&quot; ). I&#039;ll grant that here we might mince words over the interpretation of &quot;mind&quot; vs. &quot;consciousness&quot;, but either way I don&#039;t see that in principle, it makes any difference. The words are often used synonymously. Mind ≠ brain.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Randall, post: 240769, member: 2682"] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=4]You seem to still be missing my point because unless a virtual magnet can be made to interact with real-world magnetic material, the virtual world magnet has zero magnetism, and it makes no difference how convincing the picture of the virtual magnet might be, or how well it seems to interact with other pictures of other magnets. It's just pixels lighting up based on what we tell the little switches they should do. I'm not saying we can't call that a "simulation". I'm just saying there isn't actually any real magnetism in the simulation, and it may be the same situation with a simulated consciousness.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=4]No problem with the idea that a brain can be scanned and simulated on a computer. The leap in logic I am speaking of with respect to the video ( [/SIZE][/FONT][URL='https://www.theparacast.com/forum/threads/you-are-a-simulation.17401/'][FONT=Arial][SIZE=4]above[/SIZE][/FONT][/URL][FONT=Arial][SIZE=4] around 12:35 ) is in the suggestion that if a detailed enough scan of a brain were put into virtual operation in a computer, it would produce real consciousness ( "... and we would have that person's mind downloaded into a computer" ). I'll grant that here we might mince words over the interpretation of "mind" vs. "consciousness", but either way I don't see that in principle, it makes any difference. The words are often used synonymously. Mind ≠ brain.[/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]

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