jratcliff
Skilled Investigator
I just finished listening to the most recent podcast where the MUFON director spent a lot of time presenting his theories on how many UFO cases might be intelligence operations.
It's a good theory. One I have held myself on more than one occasion. However, I would like to point out that without any positive evidence you really can't push the theory too far, especially when it comes to individual cases.
My problem with theories about the US gummint being involved in UFOs goes something like this..
UFO reports of large silent hovering craft which then depart at high speed violate the known laws of physics.
While you can talk all you want about people keeping top secret projects all hush hush, what you don't find is any example of people keeping science itself hush hush.
The scientific community lives and breathes to publish data. If there existed a physics which could account for the reported behavior of these craft, a physics which had produced real practical engineering results, then we would have heard about it by now. Especially if it supposedly was producing real engineered aircraft as far back as the 1940's!
Sure, we kept the Manhattan project secret, for example, but what was not secret was the physics behind it! The physics behind the atom bomb was known ever since Einstein published his famous equation E=MC2. Building a bomb was an engineering problem, not a 'scientific secret'.
So, while I admit we have the capability of building any number of aircraft in secret, what we cannot keep secret are fundamental scientific principles.
Changes in scientific understanding are discovered via the publication, discussion, and dissemination of knowledge amongst the scientific community.
Since people have been seeing inexplicable strange craft flying around in the sky, for as best we can tell centuries, all of the time violating our conception of time, space, and the basic laws of reality as we understand them, I find it hard to believe that our government, or any other, has discovered some earth shattering new physics which would stand Newton and Einstein both on their heads.
Where is the evidence? I see absolutely none. Don't tell me how Boeing can keep an airplane secret. I know they can do that. Tell me how Boeing is engineering real technology which violates the known laws of physics without a single scientific publication or mathematical equation in existence that could account for such behavior? That is beyond comprehension. If you believe that is true then you must back it up with real established scientific principles, published in peer reviewed journals, and backed up by repeatable scientific experiment, that can account for it.
Don't say 'we' have mile wide silent heavier than air hovering triangular aircraft that can zip away at light speed without backing that up with something more than 'we can keep an airplane secret'.
Engineering always comes after the science, not before.
John
It's a good theory. One I have held myself on more than one occasion. However, I would like to point out that without any positive evidence you really can't push the theory too far, especially when it comes to individual cases.
My problem with theories about the US gummint being involved in UFOs goes something like this..
UFO reports of large silent hovering craft which then depart at high speed violate the known laws of physics.
While you can talk all you want about people keeping top secret projects all hush hush, what you don't find is any example of people keeping science itself hush hush.
The scientific community lives and breathes to publish data. If there existed a physics which could account for the reported behavior of these craft, a physics which had produced real practical engineering results, then we would have heard about it by now. Especially if it supposedly was producing real engineered aircraft as far back as the 1940's!
Sure, we kept the Manhattan project secret, for example, but what was not secret was the physics behind it! The physics behind the atom bomb was known ever since Einstein published his famous equation E=MC2. Building a bomb was an engineering problem, not a 'scientific secret'.
So, while I admit we have the capability of building any number of aircraft in secret, what we cannot keep secret are fundamental scientific principles.
Changes in scientific understanding are discovered via the publication, discussion, and dissemination of knowledge amongst the scientific community.
Since people have been seeing inexplicable strange craft flying around in the sky, for as best we can tell centuries, all of the time violating our conception of time, space, and the basic laws of reality as we understand them, I find it hard to believe that our government, or any other, has discovered some earth shattering new physics which would stand Newton and Einstein both on their heads.
Where is the evidence? I see absolutely none. Don't tell me how Boeing can keep an airplane secret. I know they can do that. Tell me how Boeing is engineering real technology which violates the known laws of physics without a single scientific publication or mathematical equation in existence that could account for such behavior? That is beyond comprehension. If you believe that is true then you must back it up with real established scientific principles, published in peer reviewed journals, and backed up by repeatable scientific experiment, that can account for it.
Don't say 'we' have mile wide silent heavier than air hovering triangular aircraft that can zip away at light speed without backing that up with something more than 'we can keep an airplane secret'.
Engineering always comes after the science, not before.
John
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