9/11

[EvilSkeptic]

And I suggest you do some forum searching and read my previous posts on the topic of Global Warming before your next 'outburst'.

Start with this one : The Great Global Warming Swindle...

I have, and you are obviously of the opinion that you are not responsible for much, perhaps the elite are forcing me to type this...

Perhaps I value the scientific facts and empirical evidence over pseudo scientific opinions.

I don't know if you have noticed this but major ice shelfs in the Antarctic melt now, oh wait! Antarctica can't exist because the earth is flat and what the elite tell us is a continent is really an ice wall... okay it all makes sense to me now that I have cast off the shackles of reality and reason, thank you for freeing me. I totally understand now, see the moon landing was faked to convince us all that the images of a spheroid earth were authentic because global warming would not be possible on a flat earth. Then the elite concocted a brilliant plan to allow a bunch of americans to die screaming and burning so that the american people would be distracted by a war when the evil environmentalists take control and force us all to use earth friendly technologies.

Now that by the way, was an 'outburst'.

 

[Rick Deckard]

I have, and you are obviously of the opinion that you are not responsible for much, perhaps the elite are forcing me to type this...

Perhaps I value the scientific facts and empirical evidence over pseudo scientific opinions.

I don't know if you have noticed this but major ice shelfs in the Antarctic melt now, oh wait! Antarctica can't exist because the earth is flat and what the elite tell us is a continent is really an ice wall... okay it all makes sense to me now that I have cast off the shackles of reality and reason, thank you for freeing me. I totally understand now, see the moon landing was faked to convince us all that the images of a spheroid earth were authentic because global warming would not be possible on a flat earth. Then the elite concocted a brilliant plan to allow a bunch of americans to die screaming and burning so that the american people would be distracted by a war when the evil environmentalists take control and force us all to use earth friendly technologies.

Now that by the way, was an 'outburst'.

Your masters will be proud of you for that - you might even get a gold star...

...BTW, you obviously haven't read my previous posts, but that's what I've come to expect from the apologists of the establishment.

As I don't intend to waste any more of my time reading your drivel, welcome to my ignore list - *click*.

 

[CapnG]

Congratulations, EvilSkeptic, you've made it to Rick's imaginary blacklist! Tremble with fear as he holds his breath and waits for you to go away!

(Sadly, it's a tactic that seems to work, as many on his list have simply stopped posting here.)

 

[mikepc]

Global Warming Is Happening. No one sane doubts that.

However...

It has happened before. Long before there were cars or factories.

Will this be the first time the arctic ice has melted? No.

Is man contributing to this? Probably. But the reality is, we don't own this planet, we are Owned By This Planet, we just haven't admitted it yet. Every time we attempt to thwart nature to stop what she normally does, we are quickly sat down and schooled.

For the record I am a Democrat and a Liberal. However, on the issue of Global Warming, I think the damage that man has done is nothing compared to what mother nature does on her own, and to suppose that we can stop the natural course of events is as presumptuous as it is preposterous.

For an excellent read about Global Warming, read Michael Crichton's State of Fear and look up the bibliographies... It will educate and enlighten.

 

[musictomyears]

"The following structural engineers have now publicly challenged the government's account of the destruction of the Trade Centers on 9/11:

Dr. Michael Voschine, PhD., Structural Engineer, of Miami, Florida

Charles Pegelow, structural engineer, of Houston, Texas

Doyle Winterton, structural engineer (retired)

Architect & structural engineer Haluk Akol, of Lafayette, California

Joseph M. Phelps, MS, PE. Structural Dynamicist (ret.), Charter Member, Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers

William Rice, P.E., structural engineer, former professor of Vermont Technical College

Hugo Bachmann and Jörg Schneider, both emeritus professors in structural engineering at a prestigious Swiss university (translation here)"

Structural Engineers Question Collapse of the World Trade Center

 

[pixelsmith]

that is just the tip of the iceberg. imagine how many dont want to come forward...
ambushco needs to plan a little better with the next "terror attack".

 

[cottonzway]

I've joined up with the PA 9/11 Truth Group and I'll be going to my first meeting tomorrow. I want to help my country and I'm so damn sick of myself that I have not done more. If you know if your heart we have been lied to about this and are in the area of these groups PLEASE get off your butt and go out to one. These are a few of the groups linking thought meet.com :


Tampa 9/11 Truth Meetup Group (Tampa, FLus; 132 members)


We Are CHANGE Tampa


The San Diego 9/11 Questions Meetup Group (San Diego, CAus; 111 members)



San Diego 9/11 Truth

The Minneapolis/St. Paul MN 9/11 Truth and Freedom Group (Saint Paul, MNus; 110 members)


http://9-11.meetup.com/253/?gj=sj21

North Texans for 911 Truth (Dallas, TXus; 98 members)


North Texans for 911 Truth

The Austin 9/11 Questions Meetup Group (Austin, TXus; 78 members)


http://9-11.meetup.com/259/?gj=sj21

Toronto 9/11 Truth (Toronto, ONca; 78 members)


http://9-11.meetup.com/282/?gj=sj21

The Houston 9/11 Truth Meetup Group (Houston, TXus; 77 members)


http://9-11.meetup.com/281/?gj=sj21


The St. Louis 9/11 Questions Meetup Group (Saint Louis, MOus; 65 members)


The St. Louis 9/11 Questions Meetup Group


Hollywood-Pasadena-SF Valley 911 Questions Meetup Group (Reseda, CAus; 58 members)


Hollywood 9/11 Truth

WE ARE CHANGE - Greater NY 911 Truth Activist Groups Unite (New York, NYus; 54 members)


http://9-11.meetup.com/321/?gj=sj21

Valley 9/11 Truth (Northampton, MAus; 53 members)


Valley 9/11 Truth



San Francisco 911 Truth Local Group (San Francisco, CAus; 52 members)


http://9-11.meetup.com/287/?gj=sj21

The New York 9/11 Questions Meetup Group (New York, NYus; 52 members)


http://9-11.meetup.com/246/?gj=sj21

The Atlanta 9/11 Questions Meetup Group (Atlanta, GAus; 50 members)


http://9-11.meetup.com/299/?gj=sj21

The South Bend 9/11 Questions Meetup Group (Granger, INus; 42 members)



http://9-11.meetup.com/291/?gj=sj21

Cleveland Campaign for 9/11 Truth (Cleveland, OHus; 36 members)



http://9-11.meetup.com/265/?gj=sj21

Northern New England 9/11 Truth (Dover, NHus; 34 members)


http://9-11.meetup.com/284/?gj=sj21


The Albuquerque 9/11 Questions Meetup Group (Albuquerque, NMus; 29 members)


http://9-11.meetup.com/273/?gj=sj21

9/11 Truth Portland Meetup (Portland, ORus; 28 members)


http://9-11.meetup.com/289/?gj=sj21


New York City 9/11 Court of Conscience (New York, NYus; 27 members)


http://9-11.meetup.com/245/?gj=sj21



The Central Mass 9/11 Truth Alliance Meeting Group (Worcester, MAus; 27 members)



http://9-11.meetup.com/277/?gj=sj21

+9/11 Questions Progressives (Columbus, OHus; 21 members)



http://9-11.meetup.com/31/?gj=sj21

The Chicago 9/11 Questions Meetup Group (Chicago, ILus; 20 members)


http://9-11.meetup.com/306/?gj=sj21



The Allentown 9/11 Questions Meetup Group (Allentown, PAus; 19 members)


http://9-11.meetup.com/309/?gj=sj21


The San Jose/South Bay 911 Questions Meetup Group (Santa Clara, CAus; 18 members)




http://9-11.meetup.com/315/?gj=sj21

The Boston 9/11 Questions Meetup Group (Boston, MAus; 17 members)



http://9-11.meetup.com/295/?gj=sj21

The Hispanic Victims Group (Hoboken, NJus; 16 members)



http://9-11.meetup.com/286/?gj=sj21

The Nashville/Hendersonville Area 9/11 Questions Meetup (Hendersonville, TNus; 16 members)



http://9-11.meetup.com/7/?gj=sj21


The San Antonio 9/11 Questions Meetup Group (San Antonio, TXus; 16 members)



http://9-11.meetup.com/311/?gj=sj21

The Baton Rouge 9/11 Questions Meetup Group (Baton Rouge, LAus; 15 members)



http://9-11.meetup.com/267/?gj=sj21

9/11 Truth Strategic Action (Springfield, OHus; 13 members)


http://9-11.meetup.com/301/?gj=sj21



Maryland /DC 9/11 Questions Meetup Group (Rockville, MDus; 13 members)


http://9-11.meetup.com/256/?gj=sj21


Merrimack Valley 9/11 Questions Meetup Group (Concord, NHus; 13 members)



http://9-11.meetup.com/307/?gj=sj21



A Crack In the Door (Oceanside, CAus; 12 members)



http://9-11.meetup.com/313/?gj=sj21

The York 9/11 Questions Meetup Group (York, PAus; 12 members)


http://9-11.meetup.com/310/?gj=sj21


Orange County 9/11 Truth & Anti-NWO - theMatrixEndsHere.com (Santa Ana, CAus; 11 members)



http://9-11.meetup.com/324/?gj=sj21

The Grand Junction 9/11 Truth Movement Meetup Group (Grand Junction, COus; 9 members)



http://9-11.meetup.com/258/?gj=sj21


The Newton Highlands 9/11 Questions Meetup Group (Newton Highlands, MAus; 9 members)


http://9-11.meetup.com/304/?gj=sj21


9/11 Truth for Richmond, VA (Richmond, VAus; 8 members)


http://9-11.meetup.com/316/?gj=sj21


Boston 9/11 Truth (Tampa, FLus; 8 members)



http://9-11.meetup.com/290/?gj=sj21


Marin 9/11 Truther Meetup Group (San Rafael, CAus; 8 members)



http://9-11.meetup.com/322/?gj=sj21

The Kansas City 9/11 Questions Meetup Group (Kansas City, MOus; 8 members)




http://9-11.meetup.com/319/?gj=sj21

The Minneapolis 9/11 Questions Meetup Group (Minneapolis, MNus; 8 members)


http://9-11.meetup.com/294/?gj=sj21



The Orlando 9/11 Questions Meetup Group (Orlando, FLus; 8 members)



http://9-11.meetup.com/317/?gj=sj21

Maryland DC Virginia 9/11 Questions Meetup Group (Rockville, MDus; 7 members)



http://9-11.meetup.com/269/?gj=sj21

The Baltimore 9/11 Questions Meetup Group (Baltimore, MDus; 7 members)


http://9-11.meetup.com/262/?gj=sj21



The Metuchen-Edison 9/11 Questions Meetup Group (Edison, NJus; 7 members)


http://9-11.meetup.com/320/?gj=sj21


The Williamsburg 9/11 Questions Meetup Group (Williamsburg, VAus; 7 members)


http://9-11.meetup.com/303/?gj=sj21


Durham 9/11 Public Response (Durham, NCus; 5 members)


http://9-11.meetup.com/325/?gj=sj21


The Austin 9/11 Questions Meetup Group (Austin, TXus; 5 members)



http://9-11.meetup.com/312/?gj=sj21

The Brooksville 9/11 Questions Meetup Group (Brooksville, FLus; 5 members)

http://9-11.meetup.com/285/?gj=sj21


The San Antonio 9/11 Truth Group (Austin, TXus; 5 members)
30.22-97.75

http://9-11.meetup.com/296/?gj=sj21



The Williamsport 9/11 Questions Meetup Group (Williamsport, PAus; 5 members)


http://9-11.meetup.com/308/?gj=sj21


Veterans and Patriots for 9/11 Truth (Toledo, OHus; 4 members)




http://9-11.meetup.com/318/?gj=sj21

The Berlin 9/11 Questions Meetup Group (Berlin, Germanyde; 3 members)



http://9-11.meetup.com/314/?gj=sj21


The Tucson 9/11 Questions Meetup Group (Tucson, AZus; 3 members)



http://9-11.meetup.com/323/?gj=sj21

The SE Mass 9/11 Questions Meetup Group (Mansfield, MAus; 2 members)



http://9-11.meetup.com/326/?gj=sj21

The Kingston 9/11 Questions Meetup Group (Kingston, NYus; 1 members)

http://9-11.meetup.com/297/?gj=sj21





http://9-11.meetup.com/about/

 

[Rick Deckard]

Ever heard of a self-fulfilling prophecy?

If there's a revolution then all those 'camps' they supposedly built out in the desert will be put to good use...

...BTW, I am making a serious point here.

I wonder what acts are now classed as 'terrorism'? Is it now *any* action that goes against the will of the Government?

Do you suppose that these meetings will be infiltrated by 'agents'?

Do you suppose that certain individuals will be singled out?

I'm not deliberately trying to spread FUD about this issue, but I do wonder what the consequences will be for some of those individuals who become a thorn in the side of BushCo. I'm not a US citizen - I'm spectating from over here in the UK, but I'm under no illusion that something has gone seriously wrong with the leadership of the Western World.

I suspect the rot set in before the end of the Second World War. They broke cover with the assassination of JFK. It's obvious that elements with close ties to the CIA are involved - so how do you bring those sort of people to justice, when they are, in effect, outside the law?

 

[cottonzway]

First off people who are "agents" are quite easy to see for who they are. It's pretty simple, if you go to one of these events and someone sugests you do something violent most likely they are an "agent" for someone. They are easy to spot. I am not looking for violence. I am trying to avoid violence. I have NO interest in what these traitors have to say.

If REX-84 is real (or whatever you want to call these FEMA camps) people should care about their country above themselves, IMO. If I or anyone else is a target because of joining such a group then so be it. I refuse to live in FEAR. I refuse to let these bastards destroy my country. I know I am fighting for the right cause (the best interest of my country) and in the end that is all that should matter to true Americans. If a person is willing to join the military to defend their country they are willing to do what it takes to protect their fellow man and women. If you are aware that we have been lied to about the most important event of our time I see it as the same thing. I am not afraid. My founding fathers give me the courage to move forward against those who have commited treason against my country. There are countless people who feel like me and those who have murdered my fellow country men have hell to pay for their crimes regardless of my well being.

The ends justify the means. Get up off your asses folks if you are aware and fight for your freedom. Othewise your children will be slaves. I will not live in fear over whatever agency could do harm to me. Those who have done this to my country are going to lose and they know that now IMO. Be active and raise your fists to fight them. This is a fight for our very life IMO. I won't be a coward who sits behind his computer anymore. Not sharing what I know with others is worst then silence. I would rather die on my feet then live forever on my knees. Not that I want to die, it's just that the reality of what is going on means more then my health. I am a proud man and I love my country. I refuse to live in fear because I am get involved. I am a better person then that.

I hope this makes it clear on how I feel and gets through to others. Living in lies is not living but only exsisting. I don't exsist, I live.

 

[musictomyears]

I refuse to live in FEAR.

Good on you, cottonzway.

There are many, many people in the US who think just like you. Be as public about your beliefs and actions as you can - there is safety in numbers. You could start a blog and publish all your activities, so that you become highly visible to your supporters as well.

The truth movement is unstoppable now.

 

[musictomyears]

Check out these videos... I never thought there was anything to the "no planes" theory, but I think I changed my mind. There might have been planes plus missiles in use on 9/11. Certainly, there is evidence for image manipulation by the major TV networks.

Intriguing stuff... And more than a little confusing. What on Earth really happened on that day..???

The 9/11 Files Clued in to September 11

 

[cottonzway]

Check out these videos... I never thought there was anything to the "no planes" theory, but I think I changed my mind. There might have been planes plus missiles in use on 9/11. Certainly, there is evidence for image manipulation by the major TV networks.

Intriguing stuff... And more than a little confusing. What on Earth really happened on that day..???

The 9/11 Files Clued in to September 11

You are being fooled by slick propaganda my friend. I have no doubt those very videos were created by or supported by the very people who helped try and kill our country. This idea came directly from people inside our government, most likely the NSA.

Every time you see these types of "theories" they are meant to get people off topic and to demonize the truth coming out. They have tried every trick in the book. Space beams, no planes, the "Jews" did it, shape shift reptiles, ect. All meant to make you look kooky or a racist. All disinformation by the very people who are guilty as hell.

There are BILLIONS of dollars spent in fake news every year. That is just on the books. Just type in something like "billions in fake news" in a search engine. This doesn't come from the yellow media though. This comes from government people directly.

Step back and think about it for a minute. So ALL of the footage was faked? Even private citizens who caught it on tape? So let's agree that this ridicules idea is correct. All of the people who took footage are either agents or had their footage altered. How about the people who saw it with their own eyes? All agents or liars? Do you see where I am going?

Don't even entertain this stuff for a minute because once you do that you let them get a foot in the door to feed you more brainwashing bunk. It's meant to make you try and bring this up to someone and look foolish. You can see the people who promote this bunk had things in common. They are either former military, government officials, or people who reply on government grants to do their work. This is meant to try and cause in-fighting and dissention among people. Throw it in the trash no matter how slick it looked and walk away never to look back.

 

[Anders Lilkaer]

unrelated documents exist such as Operation Northwinds,...

I think you mean, Operation Northwoods...?

 

[The Hawk]

At this point in time I don't think anything could convince the rest of the population that 9/11 was an inside job and I do mean anything. If 100 people came forward and said they did it and gave the plans. Even had video of themselves rigging the planes and putting explosives in building 7 etc etc and on and on and ON. Maybe another 10% of the population would go for the "conspiracy theory" that it was an inside job. But the other 70% or whatever is left no, never. People have clung to the propaganda for dear life because they think our country is some magical special place where there are only three branches of government (and not 100+) which could never conspire against the American people.

The truth is 9/11 could have been an inside job or it may not have been, I personally don't see the so called "evidence" of it being an inside job all that conclusive of anything. However what's most important to understand is that the limits of the darkness in the US government are boundless. There are vast portions of our military industrial intelligence complex created for secrecy. When you have random compartmentalization out of thin air and bull**** like "need to know" combined with security classifications the President can't even surpass along with hundreds of top secret military bases, trillions of black dollars and a money printing mechanism (federal reserve) that the people aren't allowed to view how it works. You should know your country has no limit to what it can get away with in secret. With the right compartmentalization manipulation 9/11 could have been pulled off with as few as six people in the know. SIX PEOPLE

 

[musictomyears]

With the right compartmentalization manipulation 9/11 could have been pulled off with as few as six people in the know. SIX PEOPLE

Probably true.

What really amazes me is that so many people don't seem to *want* to know what actually took place on that day. Talk about sticking one's head in the sand.

Coming back to the "no planes" theory, I'm not saying there weren't any planes. But the above mentioned videos show evidence of pretty crude image manipulation by the major TV networks, which raises the question: Why did they do that? Why bother?

cottonzway, I agree with you, there are groups of people that deliberately spread disinformation, with the aim of confusing, and ultimately breaking up, the truth movement. Then there are also people who simply and honestly misinterpret the data, and come to wrong conclusions. At this stage, and given the insufficient amount of hard evidence for an inside job, it is all too easy to jump to conclusions. However, I think that in order to establish the truth, one needs to follow up on all inconsistencies in the official story, wherever they may lead.

Ultimately, this is a job for a special prosecutor in a court of law.

 

[cottonzway]

The Hawk,

There IS more then enough information to suggest an inside job. People will learn IMO. It all starts with reading the lies of Lee Hamilton's fraud book known as the 9/11 Commission Report. Bald faced lies are in that report. They KEY is getting people to look at their own lies or lack of a true investigation will expose the murders of those people and of my very country.

 

[The Hawk]

Michael Moore Calls For New 9/11 Investigation

Michel Moore..

I'm surprised he's come out with questions after he said straight up to Alex Jones the common bull **** answer that it's "unamerican" to question what happened. Unamerican my ass, the real meaning of Patriotism is rooted in dissent. How has over half the population brainwashed itself into believing that a few politicians represent America? And that you shouldn't question them on tough issues.. Patriotism of the United States is most of all about questioning government, acting in good principle respecting the the founding principles of the Republic and the Constitution.

 

[musictomyears]

It's good news that Michael Moore is now on board. Should he decide to use his popularity and skills as a film maker to help the truth movement gain broader appeal, anything could happen... Including a revolution.

Check this out: Now there is an "individual with high level security clearance who was inside the Office of Emergency Management in World Trade Center 7 and has described and detailed explosions inside the building prior to the collapse of any of the buildings at ground zero on 9/11."

This is a major development...

9/11 Bombshell: WTC7 Security Official Details Explosions Inside Building

 

[Casual Paracast Listener]

@ cottonzway "Every time you see these types of "theories" they are meant to get people off topic and to demonize the truth coming out. They have tried every trick in the book. Space beams, no planes, the "Jews" did it, shape shift reptiles, ect. All meant to make you look kooky or a racist. All disinformation by the very people who are guilty as hell."

When you say no to the "Jews" involvement, Does that include no to the "Israelis" involvement as well?!

Because i am afraid that there is no way, no way at all for anyone nor an entity to approach the 9.11 event(s) with a good intention to look for The Truth "in the form of What really did happen, Why, Where, When, Who" with out hiting on the Israelis connection and some american citizens who happened to be jews.

And if anyone is going to like, You know to execlude one particular sect/race/faction from the discussion/movement... Then we better shut-up already

Because if anyone going to enter the discussion with his mind closed and blocking a particular sect/race/faction for being some how above all suspicions. I can tell you this is not going to workout.

In fact Israelis and some american citizens who happened to be jews can not be dodged at all from being a part of the 9.11 event(s).

And people you might want to add this link to your resources as well if you like, I have seen too many AJ ones already.

Portal: Researching Criminal zionism

And also the name Eric Hufschmid

Have a nice day all and good luck but i can not see how exactly this thing is going to have a happy ending. They have went too far, Too fast to stop now.

 

[cottonzway]

@ cottonzway "Every time you see these types of "theories" they are meant to get people off topic and to demonize the truth coming out. They have tried every trick in the book. Space beams, no planes, the "Jews" did it, shape shift reptiles, ect. All meant to make you look kooky or a racist. All disinformation by the very people who are guilty as hell."

When you say no to the "Jews" involvement, Does that include no to the "Israelis" involvement as well?!

Because i am afraid that there is no way, no way at all for anyone nor an entity to approach the 9.11 event(s) with a good intention to look for The Truth "in the form of What really did happen, Why, Where, When, Who" with out hiting on the Israelis connection and some american citizens who happened to be jews.

And if anyone is going to like, You know to execlude one particular sect/race/faction from the discussion/movement... Then we better shut-up already

Because if anyone going to enter the discussion with his mind closed and blocking a particular sect/race/faction for being some how above all suspicions. I can tell you this is not going to workout.

In fact Israelis and some american citizens who happened to be jews can not be dodged at all from being a part of the 9.11 event(s).

And people you might want to add this link to your resources as well if you like, I have seen too many AJ ones already.

Portal: Researching Criminal zionism

And also the name Eric Hufschmid

Have a nice day all and good luck but i can not see how exactly this thing is going to have a happy ending. They have went too far, Too fast to stop now.

Excellent post! I should have further explained myself in the first place. When I say that the “Jews did it” is disinformation what I mean is the way the media will demonize any involvement of Israel. I have no doubt in my mind that Mossad and Zionists had their hand directly in the 9/11 attacks. The media though is so hyper looking for racism they use reverse psychology to confuse people. Like if you try to say how Mossad agents were arrested on 9/11 after they were seen literally “dancing in the streets” in NYC on 9/11 it makes you racist after the media gets done with the story if you even imply what is just commonly known information.

Let me give you an example of exactly what I am speaking of. About six months ago there was a “9/11 story” on the Paula Zahn show. Pretty much the story went the central point of “9/11 was truth” was based on Jewish Americans getting prior knowledge of the attacks to get out of the buildings. Now there was some truth to that because the Israeli IM company Otogo did give warning to their employees. However the story being told wasn’t that but rather having family members of Jewish Americans who died in the towers. Not members of this company that was based in Israel but rather New Yorkers who happened to be Jewish. This was to demonize 9/11 Truth and to make it seem like people are trying to “Blame the Jews” and are anti-Semites. The hit piece even went to use other key words of reverse psychology like denying the official story is like being a Holocaust denier. Calling “truthers” Nazis and that it’s all about trying to spin this into a debate of race and hatemongering. It’s very sick and disgusting to use Jewish Americans like this IMO. This is one of the means of psyops that are used to try and demonize the 9/11 movement.

This is one of the worst means of psyops that is used because racism in this country is so looked that even when people say stunning lies like not believing the official story is like being a Nazi and denying of the Holocaust it causes a lot of emotions in people. There were more then one country that had their hand in the 9/11 attacks and yes Israel was one of them. The 4th branch of the government though (the mainstream media) uses sick means of disinformation by trying to cause fake racism to demonize the truth of 9/11.