A Troubling Observation About UFO Reality

[Cosmos007]

Finally someone who wants to get on with the good stuff
The obvious answer is to provoke silly forum debates ... LOL
Any other ideas?

Unfortunately,

Finally someone who wants to get on with the good stuff
The obvious answer is to provoke silly forum debates ... LOL
Any other ideas?

What is your "obvious" answer?

 

[Jeff Davis]

Again. What I'm seeing is confusion between what UFOs are defined as for the sake of inquiry and what the actual objects described in UFO reports are. When these two concepts are separated,1) there are plenty of facts upon which to support the definition of UFOs as alien craft. Those facts are based on the content of UFO reports that describe what appear to be such craft, how the official definitions were formulated, and how people in general have interpreted what the word means from its inception all the way up to the present.

What exactly the objects in UFO reports really are and where exactly they're from is another matter. However it is entirely reasonable that if a number of people observe something, the characteristics of which appear to be that of a craft that is strange and seemingly out of this world, and that after investigation by independent specialists, nobody, including USAF officers with Top Secret clearance can identify the craft as being part of any military or civilian project, then it is entirely fair and logical, based on the content of such reports, to consider that if such reports are accurate and true, that what is being reported is actually some sort of alien craft.

That doesn't mean that there aren't other strange phenomena reported in the sky from time to time, like giant birds, Earth lights, ball lightning, and whatever else we might see besides UFOs, and indeed, it would be a complete mistake to classify those as UFOs because not all strange phenomena seen in the sky look like alien craft, and that is exactly the point I've been trying to make. So maybe we're actually in complete agreement on the fundamental point, but just coming at it from a different angle.

Now with respect to the ETH, I don't claim that it is a certainty that UFOs are ET. I do claim that they are alien, and by alien, I mean it pretty much as it is defined in the English language, which strongly implies that they could be ET, which IMO is perfectly fair, but also includes other possibilities, e.g. "strange: outside somebody’s normal or previous experience and seeming strange and sometimes threatening" - Encarta, or even more specifically, as analogous to its usage in biology where it means, a species that's non-native to the environment or body in which it is found.

In this case 2) UFOs appear to be non-native to the body of human civilization that the vast majority of us are familiar with. So perhaps they might come from some remote unexplored place in the depths of the ocean, or are part of some secret society. I don't know, but either way, the word "alien" still covers that with respect to the subject matter, whereas ET doesn't, which is exactly why I prefer to use the term "alien" rather than "ET". Personally, I do think that the ETH is the most logical candidate, and that the originating location is probably someplace within 100 Light Years. However exotic ET possibilities. like worlds in other universes might also be the case, though that is much more of a stretch.

1) Where is that good old face palm when you really need it!? This statement is not accurate because reported behaviors via observation alone do not equal facts. Ever.

2) This statement is completely accurate, and as such, does not discount the distinct possibility that UFOs may in fact be human craft of one sort or another that the vast majority of us have no familiarity with. Therefore it would seem logical to conclude that UFOs really cannot and should not be classified as alien craft.

 

[Randall]

Unfortunately,
What is your "obvious" answer?

The obvious answer to your question: Why are there UFOs? was "Obviously to provoke silly forum debates." It was meant in jest. Sorry, but sometimes my sense of humor escapes even me. I think it's because it reminded me of the old: Why did the chicken cross the road? cliché. If we're to answer your question seriously, the first thing to recognize is that it's a loaded question in that it assumes that there really are UFOs ( alien craft ). I believe there are and I believe they have been observed here on Earth. The only thing that seems logical to assume with any degree of certainty as to why they exist is that they serve primarily as high-speed transportation devices.

 

[Randall]

1) Where is that good old face palm when you really need it!? This statement is not accurate because reported behaviors via observation alone do not equal facts. Ever.

Again you're missing the point. There is a difference between being certain that there are reports that are meant for reporting specific types of things, and being certain that the content of such reports is factual with respect to what they say happened. I'm not making any claim that we're certain about the facts with respect to what a report says happened, only that we can be certain about what we mean by the subject matter that forms the context of the report. So if a person reports seeing what they believe could be an alien craft, it's the same as saying they are reporting what they believe could have been a UFO. What it was that they actually saw might have been something else, and a follow-up investigation might determine that what they saw was probably something else, but it doesn't change the nature of the report. It just means that investigators would then conclude that the object was probably not a UFO.

2) This statement is completely accurate, and as such, does not discount the distinct possibility that UFOs may in fact be human craft of one sort or another that the vast majority of us have no familiarity with. Therefore it would seem logical to conclude that UFOs really cannot and should not be classified as alien craft.

Again, the word "alien" does not necessitate ET. If a few humans create a craft that is alien to the rest of the world, then for all intent and purpose it is still an alien craft in a way that is similar to calling an actual human being from another country an alien. So the word "alien" is still fine in this situation. It is far more adaptable that using ET, because hypothetically, UFOs might not be ET. So again, we seem to be in agreement on the spirit of your point, and when the context and usage is understood, it works to convey the subject matter very well. The problem is when people don't understand that virtually anything floating about in the sky that isn't identified is the same as a UFO. It's not. It never has been. It's incorrect usage, and it leads to all kinds of confusion and bad reports, most of which in the days of Project Blue Book, would have ended up in the trash basket or the insufficient information pile.

 

[Aidan]

Hello everyone. New here, just popped in for a few.

 

[Randall]

Hello everyone. New here, just popped in for a few.

Hi There Welcome to the forum. Have you ever seen something you thought was an alien craft or had any type of paranormal experience?

 

[Aidan]

Hi there ufology, I've not been fortunate enough to witness a UFO thus far. It is however a subject that deeply interests me, I do believe et/ufo's exist & we are being visited. 'Course I have no proof, though I will say many cases seem legit and "to me" & very convincing.

 

[Aidan]

Several months ago, I did actually see what I thought to be a UFO, though it turned out to be a drone.. Fuey! lol!

 

[Trajanus]

Hi there ufology, I've not been fortunate enough to witness a UFO thus far. It is however a subject that deeply interests me, I do believe et/ufo's exist & we are being visited. 'Course I have no proof, though I will say many cases seem legit and "to me" & very convincing.

My thoughts exactly. Welcome to the club, and the forum.

 

[Stephen A Wagner]

I have only had one interesting experience with an unidentified flying object, when I was about 14 or 15 years old. I would go out to a large field on clear nights with my 3-inch reflector telescope to look at planets, nebulae, etc. One night I observed a point of light traveling across the dark sky in a straight line. Naturally, my thought was that it was either a high-flying jet or a satellite. I watched it for awhile, then it did something unexpected. This point of light made a very tight U-turn around the apparent position of a star... and faded out. A jet could not have made such a tight U-turn, and a satellite could not have turned at all. So what was it? (Obviously, its turn around the apparent position of the star was just a coincidence since the star was many light years away, but the star did provide a very good reference point for the movement of this UFO.)

 

[Trajanus]

How bright was it? How long was it in sight?

 

[Stephen A Wagner]

It had the brightness of an average star; perhaps a little dimmer, if I remember correctly. I had it in sight for about a minute before it turned and faded away. Its speed was similar to that of a satellite that you would observe today.

 

[Randall]

I have only had one interesting experience with an unidentified flying object, when I was about 14 or 15 years old. I would go out to a large field on clear nights with my 3-inch reflector telescope to look at planets, nebulae, etc. One night I observed a point of light traveling across the dark sky in a straight line. Naturally, my thought was that it was either a high-flying jet or a satellite. I watched it for awhile, then it did something unexpected. This point of light made a very tight U-turn around the apparent position of a star... and faded out. A jet could not have made such a tight U-turn, and a satellite could not have turned at all. So what was it? (Obviously, its turn around the apparent position of the star was just a coincidence since the star was many light years away, but the star did provide a very good reference point for the movement of this UFO.)

Very interesting. I had heard similar accounts in the past from witnesses about star or satellite like objects that behave strangely, but it wasn't until recently that I observed one for myself. I mentioned it in this post from August 21, 2016. BTW, welcome to the forum. It's nice to have other people who like to write here, @Christopher O'Brien is also a writer/investigator and has some excellent books out there. I also like what I saw on your Paranormal Signpost blog .

 

[Goggs Mackay]

Very interesting. I had heard similar accounts in the past from witnesses about star or satellite like objects that behave strangely, but it wasn't until recently that I observed one for myself. I mentioned it in this post from August 21, 2016. BTW, welcome to the forum. It's nice to have other people who like to write here, @Christopher O'Brien is also a writer/investigator and has some excellent books out there. I also like what I saw on your Paranormal Signpost blog .

Well isn't it obvious? Probably Venus....

 

[Randall]

Well isn't it obvious? Probably Venus....

Or swamp gas ...

 

[Aidan]

My thoughts exactly. Welcome to the club, and the forum.

Hey thanks trajanus & ufology, nice to see there are in fact people here that don't automatically assume the position of "beat 'em down with the shit stick simply because we believe in et/ufo's.

 

[Randall]

Hey thanks trajanus & ufology, nice to see there are in fact people here that don't automatically assume the position of "beat 'em down with the shit stick simply because we believe in et/ufo's.

We're definitely not the "beat 'em down with the shit stick" types. We use other more subtle means, like taunting you with the Official Funny Stuff and Space Babes threads ... .

 

[Aidan]

lol good to know! Now if someone can teleport me Padme, I'll most certainly be sinning tonight.

 

[Waller]

Now, the relevant question is...Why are there UFOs?

Because it is one of the preferred methods of travel by those who wish t visit...and stay...as they watch our planet and interact with us.

It is also a very good way to initiate first contact...one step at a time.

 

[victimized]

I've seen a UFO as a bright light, I started to unnaturally bleed, I then saw a silver peel like reaction fall out.

As I had previously already been irradiated, gained a reaction in my brain like my cells were burning, the pain excruciating, I then realized what our ancient occult brother had previously caused by conversion of the stone's nuclear as an advice in the Philosophy of the stone (brain prickling or crown of thorn reaction). Stigmata, a change to the natural brain chemical state causing euphoria and hallucinate reactions where PHI information is spoken by the attacked mind, as the human mind/brain's natural thinking state gets attacked. Why the human attacked cannot speak properly....along with unnatural cell changes such as blood leeching. The human attack condition.....ebola/aids.

In my brain attack, first of all is to state that preceding this reaction my house was constantly gaining huge hits that felt like blasts. The house hit so hard that we awoke and went outside to see what was causing the hits. When my brain was attacked, my human ability to sense gave a feeling/feed back advice of burning waves moving over our house. Some of the trees near our house gained burnt leaves, whilst others stayed healthy.

As I am aware, science is a human choice, and an introduced and forced application chosen by our occult brother as his own consideration and purpose, and we simply have been indoctrinated into believing that he should be allowed to do whatever sciences he wants. Yet the obvious human life review states as an observation that science and conversion is an unnatural act and we live and survive on a Planet that naturally evolved without any human interference.

Is it that difficult for any of you to consider that the application of occult science is the cause for the effects of the UFO state?

You would then ask yourselves, why do so many questions about the UFO ask for advice and consideration of the information?

It is obvious who is asking the questions, the occultist who want the human advice of the psyche attack as a status of awareness after being attacked. When you review how the human mind first gained information for science, it came about by self experience, the use of the human psyche. As the humans applying the sciences do not understand the information, they are purposely studying us all hoping that we will advise them, whilst they use us all as guinea pigs in their atmospheric laboratory.