Above Top Secret: Government honeypot

[stonehart]

I found that the same kind of things were going on over at the JREF website. It would be interesting to know if some of the players there also come up with similarly suspicious IPs.

It is not really that hard to Proxy if one needs to and is a well used tool of both the hacker and the internet troll alike.

Well if you're paranoid of ATS ... you better dump Facebook too.​

Here are the videos again.​

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Needless to say ... I don't have a Facebook Account.​

Not that they can't tell what I'm up to anyway .​

Back in the Chanology days we were warning people about the potential for social media sites such as Facebook to be used as information gathering and let us face it why would an intelligence agency not use it. Hell with so many people willing to post their every day movements and thoughts etc it is a gold mine of information for the Government and the identity thief alike.

I will also add that security on Facebook has never been that good as Anonymous/Lulzsec has pointed out a few times.

I do not have a Facebook account and never will have one ... just far to old school anon to ever want to I guess.

 

[Randall]

Will you elaborate please? I confess I didn't continue posting there simply cos the layout and visual presentation is displeasing to me. Nothing to do with the content, just the visuals. A bit of a pathetic excuse but it's true. Also, and I don't know about anyone else, I find one forum takes enough of my time, two or more is more than I can handle.

Somewhat ironically, last time I started to elaborate on their psychological information suppression tactics, its relationship to cyber-bullying and their administrative collusion, I got warned by the mod here at the time that we weren't allowed to discuss such things here. Even Gene was on-side with that. Also when I merely alluded to it during our round table discussion when Gene asked if I'd ever been banned, he said something like, to paraphrase, "We don't want to talk about other websites." But now, since you're asking, and with all the trashing of the TPOM, maybe discussing the less savory side of other web content providers isn't so taboo anymore.

Anyway, without delving into all the gory details, it was my experience that there was a coordinated effort of denial, mockery and ridicule coupled with heavily biased moderated suppression and censorship. People like Lance may or may not have been directly involved with the core cabal, but you'll find that he's rather dismissive about anything I say, perhaps because Lance and I had a few exchanges over there as well. Anyway it got so bad that I contacted their board, which as it turns out is a charitable organization that also operates an educational outreach program to the schools ( also ironic in light of the attention cyber-bullying has been getting ). So that's why I posed the question of just who's behind the funding and these targeted smear campaigns. Seriously, they started using my real name in their posts and combining it with carefully chosen keywords with the express purpose, as stated in their exchanges to one another, to get Google to associate me with those negative words on Google.

There's another Paracast Member who also suffered their abuse for even longer than I did, but I don't see him posting much here anymore. It's really unlike anything I've ever experienced before. It's not just a few mere offhanded comments either. It's a relentless attack by a select few with ties to at least a couple of mods, and in addition to their text, they could quickly whip up commercial quality graphics to augment the mockery. It was nothing less than the JREFs own little PSI-OPs cabal. Or were they exclusive to the JREF? What if there's some grain of truth in this Anonymous thing? It's certainly possible ( although I'm not making that claim ) that targeted suppression by some agency is going on on these forums, perhaps even without the organizations themselves being aware of it. Back in the day, Ruppelt was really miffed at the prospect of USAF pilots being subjected to ridicule and denial tactics ( as suggested by the Robertson Panel ). Is it really such a stretch to think they're not still active out here in cyberspace?

 

[Jeff Davis]

Honestly, and I mean this quite respectfully, not subtractively in the least. Doesn't all this "they're out to get me online" stuff smack of an unhealthy ego based delusion that is merely the result of a pseudo self important mirrored version of the same "attack and diminish" tactics from opposing view points? Is it not telling enough when someone's icon, whose viewpoint opposes ours, is likened to a comic book superhero? That speaks clearly in my estimation of an identity crisis extraordinaire.

If there is one unhealthy trait I have found rampant within internet forums, it's how much unhealthy ego based stock individuals are willing to derive from, and invest within, forum member identities. These are words on a computer screen people. They don't have ANY definitive value apart from a contextually healthy interaction with other healthy forum member individuals.

There is no question that within today's world the internet represents an immeasurably vast means of communication. Of course intelligence agencies are going to monitor RELEVANT security threats. They do immeasurable good by doing as much on a daily basis. How many times a person posts on Facebook that they just farted is NOT relevant information. There is absolutely zero internet aspect that is not subject to full and complete filter enabled monitoring, let alone something as mundane as a Facebook intelligence gathering exercise.

I sometimes wonder in considerations such as these, how many of us have stopped to ponder the basic reality for what is the FCC? They have OWNER, MONITORED and ultimately CONTROLLED technologically based public communications from far and away prior to internet's experimental inception and military based implementation in the 60s.

Why not just call a spade a spade? ATS is simply a MESS. It's a high commercial profile/low level waste of time that is filled for the most part with deluded fruitcakes and newbies. The "real" among their user base will eventually get the picture and join QUALITY forums such as the Paracast Forums wherein they will find a HEALTHY repository of equally respectable members and subject matter, and NOT the anything but alleviating suppository that forums such as ATS have come to represent.

Gene and Chris don't put up with the bull here and above all, they keep it real. My friends, REAL is what it's all about. The administration and moderation here run just the kind of tight and fully functional ship required to move this Fortean subject matter vessel forward in what is sometimes extreme inanity, and charlatan infested waters. Salute!

 

[Blabyboy]

@Jeff, I agree with most of the sentiments of your post. The only quibble I have is the statement:

These are words on a computer screen people. They don't have ANY definitive value apart from a contextually healthy interaction with other healthy forum member individuals.

Words create sentences which can carry ideas and ideas can change people's perceptions whether in context or not - see 'Soundbites' as a modern example of the separation of context from meaning. They can kickstart the revolutionaries or appease the masses. Do you dismiss books as simply 'words on paper' in the same way you dismiss 'words on a screen'? People are changed, directed and moved to act by reading words on a screen as well as in a book, in a newspaper, or listening in a podcast and within a video. Do not underestimate the power of words on a computer screen.

 

[Jeff Davis]

Blabyboy,
Point taken, accepted, and agreed with. Darn it! I did this with something that Ufology pointed out the other day. Only in this case, "value" is not what I really meant so long as you take this sentence by itself. What I meant was "ulterior identity" or to put it a different way, when you find yourself in routine disagreement or opposition with someone on an internet forum, STOP, take pause, and realize that this isn't because of some grand conspiracy or diabolical institution, it's the nature of human beings struggling with their own over inflated sense of ego based value, and NOT a real or healthy sense of sentient awareness of self definition. In short, consider the source and it's possible psychology of projection as it relates to a person's unhealthy or pseudo identity deficit.

Thank you for pointing that out Blabyboy, but I honestly believe the point you're making is rather undeniably obvious. Of course the written word in terms of expressed ideas are very important. I just did a VERY poor job of making my point undeniably contextual, which is basically, don't make a mountain out of a mole hill. When you find yourself in the midst of routine opposition, don't play tricks with yourself in order to justify your own defense as a result of that opposition. Be thankful for who you are and what convictions you maintain. Those are the only thing that make each of our forum contributions relevant and valuable. But don't delude yourself in the process as there will simply NEVER be a time when everyone appreciates and agrees with your relevant identity's value or informational alignments. There might even be those that "dog" you in disagreement. Learn to ignore them and don't give your opposition more credit than they truly deserve as their expressions are merely words on a computer screen. That is my point. Despite the careful weighing of your own convictions against your opposition's viewpoints, if you do come to consider them to be more than just words on a computer screen within the contextually relevant posted emotional weight of their opposition, you yourself are confabulating an assigned identity for them as a defense mechanism that reflects a polarization of your own position.

 

[Cabal]

Are you guys sure this is a legit anonymous video? Does not seem like and no mention on their real youtube channel.

 

[Jimi H.]

No, I doubt it's an 'official' anonymous video, but I'm not sure it matters?

I'll be honest, I'm worried if people do not react negatively when something like this surfaces. If people think this is for the common good, they are thinking too much like 'good' citizens of the military-industrial complex imo.
I don't see the benefit in the military invading our private lives, and acting as agent provocateurs.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

I think the current IRS issues, and the Justice Department's decision to go after AP is sufficient to demonstrate that there's reason to be upset. And while we're at it, the Patriot Act needs to be sent out to pasture.