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Skymon876

Skymon876

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You know Don there is something about Afghanistan that really is an outrage. After our soldiers gave them our sweat and blood and sacrifice in which many Americans (me included) supported now they Afghanistan people and the so called Afghanistan forces newly trained are turning on the American troops still there that helped to free them.

In the last few months the so called friendly Afghanistan forces are being not so friendly to our troops after all we did for them this is the respect they show for us.

In all due respect to the blood shed and sacrifice that our troops have given to that country I think its about time to GET OUT of that country before more suicide attacks and Afghan troops go apeshit on our boys anymore. Whoever becomes the next president please get us out of that god damned country.
 
That is like going into a fire to save someone and they turn on you and kill you. That is what the Afghanistan forces are doing now. They are turning on those who tried to help them and turning on the allied forces who gave our lives and our billions of dollars to them.
 
It is insurgents masquerading as police etc attacking our forces. The majority of people in Afghanistan are thankful the Taliban are no longer in charge. The United States unfortunately must shoulder some of the blame for the rise of the Taliban. It's all to do with when the Soviet Union was in Afghanistan so look it up if you are interested Ryan.
 
"Afghanistan Mess" ... you got that right. The majority of strategies for the "War Against Terror" over there are bad ideas. It would have been more responsible to allocate the majority of resources spent making them weaker over there to making us stronger over here. That lesson was clearly learned in Nam, but apparently it never sunk in. And this isn't in any way meant to disrespect our people on the ground or those who have done their best to follow orders.
 
About 5-6 years ago there was a big hoopla about the fact the military was revising their counterinsurgency manual mostly based on general petraus input and leaned heavily towards infrastructure rebuilding, payments, baksheesh, and one on one interpersonal contact with tribal leaders, I think they've pretty much given up on that now, I wonder why. :confused: wait make that :rolleyes:
 
Here's a conspiracy theory for you all: I think that the US invaded Afghanistan to control the heroin supply. There is just way too much money to be made for the NWO-greedybastards to leave it to the Afghans.
I think a similar thing happened in central/south America and cocaine.
 
goggsmackay said:
Here's a conspiracy theory for you all: I think that the US invaded Afghanistan to control the heroin supply. There is just way too much money to be made for the NWO-greedybastards to leave it to the Afghans.
I think a similar thing happened in central/south America and cocaine.
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The taliban were very much against the poppy trade before the invasion because of its eventual manufacture into heroin, a most un islamic habit, and were about to eradicate it. but since the invasion, they found out they could control the market , make good money and use the funds to not only fight the occupying forces, but to pad their nests, they embrace it now. :confused: :rolleyes:
 
goggsmackay said:
Here's a conspiracy theory for you all: I think that the US invaded Afghanistan to control the heroin supply. There is just way too much money to be made for the NWO-greedybastards to leave it to the Afghans.
I think a similar thing happened in central/south America and cocaine.
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Smart man. I know we're entering into conspiracy theory territory here but I'm not so quick to dismiss this one. You only have to look at what's been happening in the United States since we invaded Afghanistan. Heroin is more readily available than ever before, it's migrated from a largely underground, big city problem to the point where it is now being referred to as a national epidemic. Consider that for the first time in my home state, and a few others if I'm not mistaken, opiate overdose is the leading cause of death amongst young people, even beating out car accidents!

Check out The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade, Afghanistan, Southeast Asia, Central America, Columbia by Alfred W. McCoy and Whiteout. The CIA, Drugs, and the Press by Alexander Cockburn and Jeffrey St. Clair. Two excellent books that chronicle our nations involvement in the global drug trade.
 
goggsmackay said:
Here's a conspiracy theory for you all: I think that the US invaded Afghanistan to control the heroin supply. There is just way too much money to be made for the NWO-greedybastards to leave it to the Afghans. I think a similar thing happened in central/south America and cocaine.
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Since the heroin issue in Afghanistan has become part of the "war", pharmaceutical manufacturers in Germany have had to build huge hydroponic growing facilities to accommodate the demand for medical supplies. There is no question that the legal operators of those facilities stand to rake in a huge profit. But are they connected directly to the war effort? It would be interesting to see if there are any connections.
 
I totally agree that the United States should get the hell out of Afghanistan now since we have no intention of winning that war. Hamid Karzai is a corrupt ungrateful piece of shit ... and when we do leave the Taliban will remove his head. However, if we do leave (as it appears we are going to do) the trouble and problems will only increase ... and I am afraid sooner or later we will have no choice but to go back.

A couple of years ago I read a wonderful book of historical fiction about Alexander the Great's entry into Afghanistan and the fighting that took place there. (the book title escapes me at the moment) The author showed that even the Macedonian Army experienced the same problems that the allies have today ... including our "allies" turning on "us". I am sure you've heard that old homily that people are the same everywhere? Well ... they ain't!

Decker
 
Muadib said:
Smart man. I know we're entering into conspiracy theory territory here but I'm not so quick to dismiss this one. You only have to look at what's been happening in the United States since we invaded Afghanistan. Heroin is more readily available than ever before, it's migrated from a largely underground, big city problem to the point where it is now being referred to as a national epidemic. Consider that for the first time in my home state, and a few others if I'm not mistaken, opiate overdose is the leading cause of death amongst young people, even beating out car accidents!

Check out The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade, Afghanistan, Southeast Asia, Central America, Columbia by Alfred W. McCoy and Whiteout. The CIA, Drugs, and the Press by Alexander Cockburn and Jeffrey St. Clair. Two excellent books that chronicle our nations involvement in the global drug trade.
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Did not the taliban visit bush at his ranch while clinton was still in office ?
 
Decker said:
I totally agree that the United States should get the hell out of Afghanistan now since we have no intention of winning that war. Hamid Karzai is a corrupt ungrateful piece of shit ... and when we do leave the Taliban will remove his head. However, if we do leave (as it appears we are going to do) the trouble and problems will only increase ... and I am afraid sooner or later we will have no choice but to go back.

A couple of years ago I read a wonderful book of historical fiction about Alexander the Great's entry into Afghanistan and the fighting that took place there. (the book title escapes me at the moment) The author showed that even the Macedonian Army experienced the same problems that the allies have today ... including our "allies" turning on "us". I am sure you've heard that old homily that people are the same everywhere? Well ... they ain't!

Decker
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There are reasons Afghanistan is known as "the Graveyard of Empires," as I'm sure Alexander the Great would have only known too well. Whether or not it's true, Alexander has sometimes been credited with that epithet. It's been a disaster for thousands of years and will continue being a disaster long after the last U.S. troops are gone.
 
goggsmackay said:
Here's a conspiracy theory for you all: I think that the US invaded Afghanistan to control the heroin supply. There is just way too much money to be made for the NWO-greedybastards to leave it to the Afghans.
I think a similar thing happened in central/south America and cocaine.
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It is probably why GHWBush got the nik name Poppy Bush.
 
RenaissanceLady said:
There are reasons Afghanistan is known as "the Graveyard of Empires," as I'm sure Alexander the Great would have only known too well. Whether or not it's true, Alexander has sometimes been credited with that epithet. It's been a disaster for thousands of years and will continue being a disaster long after the last U.S. troops are gone.
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No one wins in Afghanistan and I have always viewed the place like a real life version of Red Alert where empires try to get the high score and Russia still holds that.

Yeah that was a bit of black humor.

But on a more serious note if you have not read this you should.
:::U.S. Identifies Vast Mineral Riches in Afghanistan:::

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/world/asia/14minerals.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

I have always held that when things stop making obvious sense then follow the money/mineral wealth and answers start to appear.
 
Just a bit of a side note but it is relevant to this thread in the long run.

I have been reading the debates on who is better and who will win between Romney and Obama.

Now maybe I just have a unique perspective by not being in the USA while I have been watching all of this but I will be blunt.

Those two are nothing but puppets as have the past few (maybe more) presidents that have taken up office and hopefuls that have failed.

I know the majority of you here realize this but there is an old saying "the faces may change but those in power remain the same", so we need to look beyond the faces and the parties to see the true power that remains the same..

Find that and we understand why things are how they are now.


Just saying...
 
I don't think many of us yanks...at least the ones in this forum...have any delusions that either candidate is going to or, is willing to, or is capable of changing much if anything stoney. I'm sure that both obama and romney will be allowed their own little victories i.e. the continuation or discontinuation of ppaca but probably little beyond that.
 
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