America, some one doesnt want you to have guns anymore...

[nameless]

Theres a big plan afoot and stuff is adding up scarily fast, anyone else doing the math?

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Really. Based on what?

 

[nameless]

Maybe this should be in the conspiracy thread.

Again, I am speaking out of my hat here but I am breaching a topic for discourse. Recent events in Spain and in countries in Europe with severe socio-econmic problems have seen citizens take to the streets in pitch battle with government forces. Imagine if these people had access to high calibre assault rifles.

Written into The American Constitution is a means to make those that are in power fearful of its citizens rather than the public in fear of its government as in say a European country where the police are heavily armed.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

The Second Amendment speaks of a "well regulated militia" in connection with the right to bear arms. The NRA never noticed that.

Nope, I don't think we can relate what happens in Europe to what happens here.

 

[nameless]

There are Greek people killing themselves because of a lack of any forseeable economic future.

 

[nameless]

The Second Amendment speaks of a "well regulated militia" in connection with the right to bear arms. The NRA never noticed that.

Nope, I don't think we can relate what happens in Europe to what happens here.

of course there is no comparison. not yet anyway. but if there ever was and you were in control you wouldnt want hordes with guns and you would set in motion something that would cover you for any eventuality no matter how unlikely.

 

[mike]

Following cypress ive increased my silver holding (got some from Scottsdale just this week)
For me its safer than cash in the bank, and gives me a shadow currency in a worse case scenario.

I think its very possible we are headed to a massive bubble burst/depression

What will the people do when the proverbial poop hits the fan and American citizens are unable to get their money out of the bank? When the pensions stop paying the retirees, what will many people do? When the 401k’s disappear in the last great bank robbery, what will people do? In simple terms, they will take to the streets.
When Americans seek some measure of revenge, what will they do? It may not matter, because they will encounter a well-armed DHS equipped with newly acquired 2.2 billion rounds of ammunition and backed up by 2700+ armored personnel carriers.

I think the PTB think so too

 

[Muadib]

So if there's this big plan to take our guns, instigated by the government, why did they fail to pass the latest gun control legislation? If there's an active conspiracy, wouldn't that have been a relatively simple to pull off first step down the path towards disarmament? I'm sorry but I just don't see it...

 

[mike]

The Govt isnt the top of the food chain, the corporations are.
Disarming the US public isnt possible, that goose is cooked.
Guns are in US DNA

I cant even own a BB gun or one of those plastic replicas that fire those little orange nylon BB's without a permit. The idea of buying one from a catalog and having it posted to the door is just bizzare

That bill was pointless, since it didnt cover private sales iirc.
So you needed a BG check when buying from a gun dealer, a BG check if buying from a gun show or online, but you can see an ad on the local noticeboard "rifle for sale" and just pop round and pick it up.

Disarming an angry populace was never going to work, the DHS needs a plan B

 

[mike]

The clock is ticking

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

And what the kids can look forward to

 

[Muadib]

The Govt isnt the top of the food chain, the corporations are.
Disarming the US public isnt possible, that goose is cooked.
Guns are in US DNA

I cant even own a BB gun or one of those plastic replicas that fire those little orange nylon BB's without a permit. The idea of buying one from a catalog and having it posted to the door is just bizzare

That bill was pointless, since it didnt cover private sales iirc.
So you needed a BG check when buying from a gun dealer, a BG check if buying from a gun show or online, but you can see an ad on the local noticeboard "rifle for sale" and just pop round and pick it up.

Disarming an angry populace was never going to work, the DHS needs a plan B

I see what you're saying and I'm in full agreement that in and of itself it wasn't going to fully solve their problem, but if there's some huge conspiracy, it would've been a relatively simple step towards limiting the proliferation of weapons and they always could've introduced more legislation down the road to shore up the holes in the bill. No, I just don't see any evidence of a massive conspiracy to disarm the American public, like you said it's never going to happen and most likely isn't even feasible.

 

[exo_doc]

Maybe not disarm, but there seems to be a massive shortage of available ammo to purchase, which amounts to the same thing as disarmament. Unless you're like me and have plenty of stored ammo, you're pretty much s.o.l..

 

[Konrad Hartmann]

Maybe not disarm, but there seems to be a massive shortage of available ammo to purchase, which amounts to the same thing as disarmament. Unless you're like me and have plenty of stored ammo, you're pretty much s.o.l..

I'm going to have to go Civil War era just to go shooting anymore.

 

[Muadib]

Maybe not disarm, but there seems to be a massive shortage of available ammo to purchase, which amounts to the same thing as disarmament. Unless you're like me and have plenty of stored ammo, you're pretty much s.o.l..

That may be the case in your area, heck it may be the case nationally, I can't really speak on it since I haven't purchased any ammunition lately, but don't you think that's just because more people were (and probably are now as I write this) buying guns and ammo, rather than an elaborate conspiracy? It's probably a direct consequence of the gun bill and the tragedy that happened recently, gun and ammo sales always tend to go through the roof when things like this happen.

 

[starise]

I don't see there being an an all out move toward a total disarming right away. I do see a plan in place to slowly remove guns from all
but the hold outs. There are indeed people who don't want us here in the USA to have guns. Many of these people hold political positions.Limiting ammo and availability will go along way towards this end.

I have seen the demise of the American economy coming for a long time. We shipped most of our jobs to China. Our worker to retiree ratio is becoming more and more lopsided. The fed keeps printing worthless money.Our entitlement programs are eating us alive. This has been going on for years and years.

We (the US) are being absorbed into the plan,have been for a long time. If we don't wake up soon it will be too late. When the dam breaks many people will be surprised by it. Guns are only a part of the equation here. I think this is all intentionally directed toward an outcome that will have catastrophic consequences.

 

[pixelsmith]

The Second Amendment speaks of a "well regulated militia" in connection with the right to bear arms. The NRA never noticed that.

Nope, I don't think we can relate what happens in Europe to what happens here.

bulls#it. we have to relate it or suffer the same fate.

 

[pixelsmith]

So if there's this big plan to take our guns, instigated by the government, why did they fail to pass the latest gun control legislation? If there's an active conspiracy, wouldn't that have been a relatively simple to pull off first step down the path towards disarmament? I'm sorry but I just don't see it...

there are good and bad politicians. it would seem that gun restrictions will begin sort them out.

 

[Jimi H.]

The majority of Americans DO want background checks on ownership. But the reality of the senate is that sparsely populated cowboy states are acting selfishly and their representatives want to keep their seats. It is indeed shameful. And that comes from someone who lived in Alaska and knows and enjoys the anarchist attitude - to a point. But this is not just fun and games people, and what is worse:

The majority of Americans have not been heard.

Answering the alarmist gun owners in fear of losing their guns:
If someone wanted to change the speed limits on the highway, that doesn't mean they want you to drive 1 mph in 20 years, does it now?

Also, in other democratic nations, guns are not forbidden. But typically guns are used for hunting, less for personal protection, and virtually never for building personal forts with heavy assault weapons! From the outside looking in, it's absurd that bonafide killers and the criminally insane can just walk into a gun show and walk away with a gun. It's basically nuts, and the majority of Americans agree. They like to be free, and that means walking down the street without facing crazy amounts of heavy weaponry from the lunatics milling about.

Stop being so goddamn paranoid, geez, try to be a bit rational about it. Decisisions made from fear are rarely good, and I see a lot of fear among the gun-loving right.

 

[pixelsmith]

Background checks are in place already. I have recently gone through one to get a permit to purchase a hand gun and will go through another for a permit to conceal or open carry.

 

[Jimi H.]

Background checks are in place already. I have recently gone through one to get a permit to purchase a hand gun and will go through another for a permit to conceal or open carry.

In place but not mandatory, correct?