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This stuff IS out there. People don't imagine things they can't understand.. you always go with things you already know. Also everyone knows when they are dreaming, and you have to be asleep...

I certainly respect that I really do, but I would have a hard time believing even myself if I saw similar things. I would look at all the intrinsic aspects of the occurrence before turning to external ones. The mind is capable of producing memories and this is proven and looking back on events in my past it is sometimes hard to distinguish if some events really happened or not. When memories are created there is almost no way of distinguishing between real or fake because the only way we have of recollecting on past happenings is via memory and if memories are false and one is trying to determine if they are genuine or not the only other way to do this is to compare rational from irrational. I suppose with this type of experience I'd have to have a similar experience to be able to develop a valid opinion because there is no evidence for things like this. So I'm not saying they didn't experience the things you mentioned or that they weren't real but there's not really any way of knowing and I don't feel like I'd be able to validate something like that or not.
 
The mind is capable of producing memories and this is proven and looking back on events in my past it is sometimes hard to distinguish if some events really happened or not.

That's not really true. You are remembering an event, and if at that time you knew if it was really happening, then you will remember that too. Your memory might get fuzzy, but you remember that it happened. You might doubt your experience years later, but that's not because of faulty memory. If you are going to say something is "proven" give a citation.

We really need to see that something is going on here to normal ordinary people, and it has been going on for a long time. If we keep wanting to sweep it under the rug because of lack of understanding, and saying it's all in people's heads, we will never get any insight into what is really happening.

As science started moving people away from any kind of spiritual belief, we became very materialistic. If you can't measure it, it's not real. But actually it's the lack of understanding of the phenomenon. It's like arguing there's no such thing as radio waves if you don't have a radio receiver to pick them up. You can't see them. You can't detect them without the right knowledge that they exist and a means to sense them. And like so many things, that was discovered by accident for the most part. You can't measure something that you don't know exist.

So as people kept being told that such-and-such didn't exist and was a superstition, then when people experienced these things, they assumed they were mistaken and must be hallucinating. But that's only because science can't prove such things happen, but they also can't prove they don't. You can't prove a negative.

Now I'm a VERY scientific person, and always have been. But I also know that I've had many many experiences that were real, and can't be explained. Just because they can't be explained doesn't mean it didn't happen. Some involved other witnesses. We didn't hallucinate or have fabricated memories. As an example, six other people and myself witnessed a landed disk and several small humanoid creatures covered in black hair with large glowing green eyes. The creatures left foot prints in the mud and snow. We all saw the same thing. One guy even said one grabbed his arm, so he ran home... before the rest of us saw them. He gave us the same description when we caught up with him. That was about 1970. I spoke to him a few months ago, and he remembers the event exactly as I do. Then two other people saw the same creatures on two separate occasions a few years later. Did we all hallucinate this, even spread out over a couple of years for the other two witnesses? That's absurd. I bring up this story to show that there are things we don't understand going on, and they are real.

We have to accept that we don't know everything, and in fact know very little. We understand some of the mechanics behind reality, but certainly not the reason. The Big Bang? Sure, that's a reasonable idea. But why did it happen? And what made it happen? And what was there before it happened? No one can answer those questions. If you can't answer those questions, it's like some scientist 1000 years ago studying something like an automobile. Would they figure out how it works? Would they even figure out what it was used for? Maybe, it has wheels. But why was it built and by who? I like the analogy dB uses to explain why we wouldn't be able to reverse engineer advanced technology. Send a MacBook back a few hundred years. Better yet, send an iPhone. Not only would they not understand how it worked, but they wouldn't know what it was used for. It would probably be a sacred object from some other race of people and be considered purely symbolic. We do that to old things we find all the time.

So us trying to understand some aspects of our reality are much the same. We don't have the answers, so we reverse engineer reality based on observations. We don't understand it, because we don't know enough to even see it. Add insult to injury and we wont admit it's there when we see some aspect of it. Because our limited understanding says it doesn't exist.

So don't get hung up on what the brain does or doesn't do, because conciseness is something that's not well understood at all. That's a fact. If you have a dream about an event, and later that day it happens, what does that mean? Coincidence? Not likely. But can it be "proven" in a lab? Probably not, but that's a refection on the current state of science, and not on the phenomenon.
 
Like I said, I wasn't trying to say that those things didn't happen. I'm not necessarily a skeptic but I'm always going to look for causes by explainable things before I look into unexplainable things. I can't cite the thing about memories being able to be created as it's just something I learned in psychology classes over the years. Anyway, I wouldn't be on these forums if I didn't believe unexplainable things can happen or have happened. I was just a little weary about the eye anomaly things as human senses and even our brains aren't the most reliable things.
 
My young daughter and my son recently asked about the small dots which appear everywhere which they mentioned matter of factly as if everyone could see them. I replied that I didn't know what they meant but when I thought about it I realised that I too can see this and I wondered if this is something that all adults can see but do not remain conscious of. i.e our minds discard it as surplus information.

I would liken it to the effect you get when you pull an ariel out of a tv it's almost like background interference with minute particles dancing about. It's only noticeble when you really look for it. The effect for me is hugely more noticeable in a slightly darkened room. I mentioned it to a friend who suggested orbs but these particles are minute dots that I see. My kids also mentioned that they see coloured dots which I don't see. Is it possible we are seeing tha actual particles that make up matter?

Is this just normal? Do we need to get our eyes checked? :)

Hard to say for sure, but people who experience organized stalking and electronic harassment sometimes report your 'dots' effect:

http://www.stopos.info/os.pdf

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