As frustrated as Biedny

[brado]

After listening to tons of Paracasts and other related broadcasts, I have come to the believe the following due to the guests, host's opinions and evidence (more like lack of evidence) presented:
-No are aliens being seen. No real evidence: either hoaxes, figments of imaginations, nature or Earthly efforts.
-No knappings. They all come back alive and although some of them seem visibly affected, I am convinced it is more to do with psychological phenomenon.
-The aliens (or other entities) are not watching our nukes. If that were the case you would have more sightings around Iran, North Korea, Pakistan, India, and anyone else in the dance.
-The only government cover up would be of anything to do with top secret weapons development.
-There is not one scrap of material evidence of crashes or beings that are not human.


It is no wonder the UFO and paranormal circles are infested with showmen acting like serious researchers...the followers are 90% sheep who get excited by the same elements in reality TV and soap operas.

Even as much as I respect David's extreme intelligence and ability to articulate, where are the other people who saw what you saw in South America?

The only fascination I find now with this topic is with those who investigate ad research ways to replicate alleged photo and video evidence of UFOs, aliens and the like.

There is nothing going on that is actually real. No government on the planet has the capability of covering this up. It doesn't exist. We are alone until we get discovered by our "space brothers".

Peace

 

[Astroboy]

"You sure got a pretty mouth." - Deliverance

 

[bobheck]

"You sure got a pretty mouth." - Deliverance

Ahem....that's purty

(mumbling.....Damned yankee)

 

[Gareth]

It seems to me youre just letting your frustration at not having anything substantial to look at as far evidence goes cause you to overlook some extremely compelling information.

Im feeling kinda lazy at the moment, so Im not going to go through point by point, but the one thing that stands out to me is this idea of yours that just because UFOs arent seen at nuclear sites in Iran and other places, well, this must mean that it NEVER happened and a non-human intelligence was NEVER observing our nuclear capabilities.

That seems like flawed logic to me. Firstly, how do YOU KNOW that UFOs aren't currently being sighted around nuclear weapon sites? And secondly, why is not possible that our nukes were being observed in the past, but they aren't now? You dont even see that as a possibility? The evidence and testimony surrounding the nukes cases as presented by Robert Hastings is easily some of the most compelling in the entire UFO quagmire... so just based on this flawed logic on your part I find your entire submission lacking.

One more thing Id like to add... re Davids cigar sighting in South America. Where are all the other witnesses? Well one actually went on the show with David to tell that story. A conflict of interest being his brother? Maybe. I guess its possible that they got together and conspired to support each other in a fabricated UFO encounter story. Although Im having a hard time trying to determine motive, especially since they aren't making money off the story.

And where did it take place? Caraccus... a NON-ENGLISH SPEAKING COUNTRY.

So where are all the other witnesses? I'd wager they are all in Caraccus. Where else would they be?

 

[brado]

Gareth,
I appreciate your response. you will not get a debate from me. i was just posting my current state of belief. By no means do I not believe that David or his brother saw something that affected them deeply. I still believe whatever it was that they saw was not not alien or inter-dimensional.

I continue to faithfully listen to the Paracast because of David's talent, intelligence, honesty and a penchant for articulating precise critical thinking.

Thank you for responding in the spirit of the forum. I am not sure what the Deliverance references are for in the other responses to my post but they are not really fodder for intelligent conversation for certain.

 

[Gareth]

I could be wrong, but I sensed something in your post that I occasionally feel myself... i.e. that this thing just cant be real. That after 60 years or so we should have more and better evidence, and that really frustrates me.

Then I sit down and think about what excites me about the subject and I usually come back around to enthusiasm. Stuff like the Hastings nuke/UFO encounters; the quotes from guys like Ben Rich that allude to some pretty exciting stuff; information like what is presented in Nick Cook's book; and of course compelling experience anecdotes from sources I feel I can trust as much as possible without actually knowing them (like Dave Biedny's cigar story and Jeff Ritzmann bizarre stuff)....

theres more than that, but thats just an example of the sort of stuff I bring to mind to renew my enthusiasm and acceptance of the reality of the topic.

 

[David Biedny]

After listening to tons of Paracasts and other related broadcasts, I have come to the believe the following due to the guests, host's opinions and evidence (more like lack of evidence) presented:
-No are aliens being seen. No real evidence: either hoaxes, figments of imaginations, nature or Earthly efforts.
-No knappings. They all come back alive and although some of them seem visibly affected, I am convinced it is more to do with psychological phenomenon.
-The aliens (or other entities) are not watching our nukes. If that were the case you would have more sightings around Iran, North Korea, Pakistan, India, and anyone else in the dance.
-The only government cover up would be of anything to do with top secret weapons development.
-There is not one scrap of material evidence of crashes or beings that are not human.


It is no wonder the UFO and paranormal circles are infested with showmen acting like serious researchers...the followers are 90% sheep who get excited by the same elements in reality TV and soap operas.

Even as much as I respect David's extreme intelligence and ability to articulate, where are the other people who saw what you saw in South America?

The only fascination I find now with this topic is with those who investigate ad research ways to replicate alleged photo and video evidence of UFOs, aliens and the like.

There is nothing going on that is actually real. No government on the planet has the capability of covering this up. It doesn't exist. We are alone until we get discovered by our "space brothers".

Peace

I have almost nothing to tell you. You can believe what you wish.

Something is going on. What, we're not sure. If you choose to ignore the vast body of evidence that exists, that's your choice. Watch the clips of Paul Kimball's excellent "Best Evidence" documentary that I've placed on the Paracast TV thread. There are tons of material that exist on the topic of UFOs, in other languages. Most of this stuff is unavailable to the English-speaking world.

Thanks for joining in on the conversation. I understand your frustration, but don't let it cloud the reality of the phenomenon.

Try the wine. And chocolate. And chicken mousse pie tire wooden volcano.

And look, it's a bird, it's a plane, it's Jeeeeeeeeeeeeebus!

I need tea. As in NOW.

dB

 

[bobheck]

Loose leaf, I trust?

Loose leaf, you gotten into the white teas yet? I am trying to like them, but it seems they are all fluff. I still have to have my fix of earl grey. It's like earl grey to me is 'regular coffee' and everything else is foo-foo tea that is not a staple.

I know, way off topic. Sorry. But it is something that interests me.

 

[PhantomAce]

After listening to tons of Paracasts and other related broadcasts, I have come to the believe the following due to the guests, host's opinions and evidence (more like lack of evidence) presented:

Really? Believing is so so very easy.

Research and the analytical thought process go a long way in fully understanding any topic not just those discussed here.

Your "belief" is only going as far as what you have been exposed to. Hence you appear to have reached a comfort zone in your opinion after listening to X amount of shows.

However if your mind is made up that's fine too..good day.

 

[bobheck]

Bobheck, I only drink loose leaf Darjeeling, the lightest of the teas!
Mrs Loose Leaf is a big Earl Grey fan but I only drink it in extremis as it's a bit too "perfumy" for me.

(BTW, is there a terrible penalty for massively derailing a thread?!)

I don't think that there is a penalty, but I guess we should not do that out of courtesy. However, DB did introduce the tea concept. So, as in courtroom cross-examination, the door was opened.

 

[aNorthernSoul]

We don't even have a firm understanding of our past and we have loads of hard, tangible archaeological evidence of it. Plus, the nature of the phenomenon seems to render many of our recording devices somewhat obsolete... Still though, while many charlatans and fakers exist.... it seems naive to think NOTHING is going on.

 

[Experiencer7]

After listening to tons of Paracasts and other related broadcasts, I have come to the believe the following due to the guests, host's opinions and evidence (more like lack of evidence) presented:
-No are aliens being seen. No real evidence: either hoaxes, figments of imaginations, nature or Earthly efforts.
-No knappings. They all come back alive and although some of them seem visibly affected, I am convinced it is more to do with psychological phenomenon.
-The aliens (or other entities) are not watching our nukes. If that were the case you would have more sightings around Iran, North Korea, Pakistan, India, and anyone else in the dance.
-The only government cover up would be of anything to do with top secret weapons development.
-There is not one scrap of material evidence of crashes or beings that are not human.


It is no wonder the UFO and paranormal circles are infested with showmen acting like serious researchers...the followers are 90% sheep who get excited by the same elements in reality TV and soap operas.

Even as much as I respect David's extreme intelligence and ability to articulate, where are the other people who saw what you saw in South America?

The only fascination I find now with this topic is with those who investigate ad research ways to replicate alleged photo and video evidence of UFOs, aliens and the like.

There is nothing going on that is actually real. No government on the planet has the capability of covering this up. It doesn't exist. We are alone until we get discovered by our "space brothers".

Peace

Fear not, brother. One day we will know the truth. And on that glorious day., we will gather together and tap that alien ass like Captain Kirk.

 

[Schuyler]

Fear not, brother. One day we will know the truth. And on that glorious day., we will gather together and tap that alien ass like Captain Kirk.

Amen, and 'they' KNOW this, too, which is why they are so freaking scared of us.

 

[brado]

... and I hope she has the face of an angel and the body and garb of a Klingon warrior!

 

[brado]

...yes, I think you have captured it. I am fried from listening to fakes.

I did get off track from the subject of my post...that I get as frustrated as David seems to get about the clutter (noise) that seems to get thicker and thicker while the "signal" seems to be fading away.

However, I did not think I would ever take the time to post in any forum, but look, I'm out meeting new people and coming out of my cyber shell. So in the end, there is good in it for this lost soul.

I'll keep my earphones in and my eyes to the sky...

 

[AnnetteMarie]

I used to get all optimistic and almost excited whenever a new incident occurred and a photo would be released.

I don't, anymore.

I sometimes doubt we will ever learn the truth behind the sightings. I also sometimes think we are all imagining it, and those who have a sighting are just sharing mass hallucinations.

There is one root cause for this shift in my thinking, and I put the blame squarely at the door of Gene and David's Paracast.

Before you think this a slam, let me finish.

I tend to think ten times more deeply when something is presented now, than I did before. The bits that make it past that more critical thinking, tend to spark more thought, more wondering, and more possibilities rather than those limited to 'just aliens'.

There is more to what I think about UFOs now. More possibilities, more layers, more confusion and much less certainty.

Funny thing about the certainty I used to feel regarding my opinions on this multi-layered subject... now that it is gone, I actually have room for other opinions, other ideas, other theories.

Makes the subject a lot more interesting.

 

[Hoffmeister]

if you want evidence just look at the blgian ufo case.

• Visual identification by multiple police officers and thousands of civilian and military personel
• Caught on film and camera
• Two F-16's chasing it for a couple of hours, with it performing moves waaaaay ahead of current technology
• Chief of the belgian air force saying that one of the only possibilities left is extra-terrestrial
• Pilot of the F16 saying he believes it is extra-terrestrial
• Top radar analyst of the time saying that it couldnt of been radar error as there were four ground radars and two air radars all of different model and orientation
• Top radar analyst of the time saying he believes it is extra-terrestrial

Non of this has anything to do with wacky ufologists trying to jump on the band wagon. The radar footage still exists today, as do all of the people involved including the F16 pilots etc.

Now all this is not neccesarily evidence of Aliens... but it IS evidence that there is definately something going on up there.

 

[Trajanus]

-No are aliens being seen. No real evidence: either hoaxes, figments of imaginations, nature or Earthly efforts.

There have been some photos and footprints.

-No knappings. They all come back alive

Including Moncla and Wilson?

and although some of them seem visibly affected, I am convinced it is more to do with psychological phenomenon.

How odd that such psychological disturbances were unknown before the modern UFO era, and are often associated with UFO sightings.

-The aliens (or other entities) are not watching our nukes. If that were the case you would have more sightings around Iran, North Korea, Pakistan, India, and anyone else in the dance.

In fact, their arsenals are quite minimal compared to those of the US and Russia. So fewer sightings over Iran etc wouldn't be surprising if nukes were a major concern.

-The only government cover up would be of anything to do with top secret weapons development.

ULTRA was covered up successfully for 30 years after the most pressing need for the coverup had ended.

-There is not one scrap of material evidence of crashes or beings that are not human.

Yep, that has been revealed yet.

No government on the planet has the capability of covering this up.

Lol, see what I just wrote above.

 

[DavidRavenMoon]

... and I hope she has the face of an angel and the body and garb of a Klingon warrior!

What does an angel's face look like?

How many people have seen that face and lived to tell about it?

 

[DavidRavenMoon]

I consider this post trolling... but I like pointing out failed reasoning.

-The aliens (or other entities) are not watching our nukes.

I don't know about that... a lot of military personnel won't agree with you.

I just listened to the excellent Mar 29, 2009 show with Robert Hastings and two military witnesses. So they were there, and you weren't. What's your evidence for no UFOs watching nukes? Apparently none.

If that were the case you would have more sightings around Iran, North Korea, Pakistan, India, and anyone else in the dance.

And how do you they haven't? Did you ask them? You are just making up stuff that makes sense to you.

We don't make it public knowledge, so do you think thy would? They aren't even saying they have nukes.

Poor reasoning.

-The only government cover up would be of anything to do with top secret weapons development.

Really? How do you know this? And if we have top secret weapons, why haven't we used them? Are we saving them for X-mas?

That's just your opinion based on nothing.

There is not one scrap of material evidence of crashes or beings that are not human.

Care to validate that? There are witness testimony that says otherwise. And think about this for a moment... regardless to what we think happened at Roswell, the RAAF did release an official statement at the time saying that they had recovered a crashed flying disk. They later retracted that statement, but it was made.

On Tuesday, July 8, the Roswell Army Air Field issued this press release:

The many rumors regarding the flying disc became a reality yesterday when the intelligence office of the 509th Bomb group of the Eighth Air Force, Roswell Army Air Field, was fortunate enough to gain possession of a disc through the cooperation of one of the local ranchers and the sheriff's office of Chaves County. The flying object landed on a ranch near Roswell sometime last week. Not having phone facilities, the rancher stored the disc until such time as he was able to contact the sheriff's office, who in turn notified Maj. Jesse A. Marcel of the 509th Bomb Group Intelligence Office. Action was immediately taken and the disc was picked up at the rancher's home. It was inspected at the Roswell Army Air Field and subsequently loaned by Major Marcel to higher headquarters.

So please explain to everyone here why the RAAF would release such an official statement? To cover up a top secret Mogul ballon? If that was the case they didn't keep the secret very long, since that was their coverup story.

So it would seem that something really did crash there, and a lot of effort went into containing the debris and scaring off witnesses, and later obfuscate the matter by saying it was crash test dummies, etc. That's a historical fact.

If nothing happened, why go through all that trouble?

There is nothing going on that is actually real.

That's simply your illogical and narrow minded view based on nothing. A lot of much smarter people who have done real research, and/or have had real experiences don't agree with you. Because you can't understand something, don't assume you are correct. Do some research, and I don't mean listening to podcasts.

You don't think something is going on? Fine. But why do you feel the need to come here and tell that to people? You are obviously having a hard time dealing with the idea that all this is really happening, and that's what frustrates you. You can't understand why people think that something really is going on, so you find ways to rationalize why all these people are wrong.

When we are uncomfortable with the truth, we find ways to pretend nothing is happening. If you can convince others that you are right, as you convinced yourself, then you get validation. Go find a skeptics forum. You will have many believers.