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Angel of Ioren said:
You realize that we're talking about a much bigger scale when it comes to the Earth - you know this, c'mon. It's sad that you're so blinded by your dislike of Al Gore that you ignore the actual reality.

Read this, by someone taht actually understands the subject:
RealClimate: The CO2 problem in 6 easy steps

There are even relevant references.

It'll be hard for you, but you can do it. Learn about this issue before you make grandiose (and incorrect) statements about how more CO2 is better. I know you think you've done a lot of research on this topic and you think you're right, but when your sources are outdated or simply incorrect, you fall short.
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If the globe is warming, there is no evidence of it here in Montana!
 
pixelsmith said:
sorry but real climate is not run by credible people. try again.
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So the climate scientists that are actually doing the work are not credible? I guess there's no point discussing this since it's a pretty one sided discussion.

Get back to me when you have more than that - thanks.
 
if you had been following climate science for the past 12 years as i have you would have known better than to reference Real Climate. it is just like me telling everyone here that Greer or Meier are the ultimate experts in ufology.
 
you are showing exactly how little you know Angelo. another 10 years and you might catch up.
 
You always say that Pixel, but then when you're presented with facts, you shift the focus to something else, such as eugenics or an H2O joke survey. I've presented you with info and as usual you have nothing of substance to say so you tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.
You don't really abide by any sort of rules of discussion. Post some RECENT facts and then at least you'll save some face. Unlike you've done in the past with this topic, where you usually just run and hide.
 
the foundation of the global cooling/warming/climate change/climate disruption or what ever they are calling it now is that CO2 (an essential life giving trace gas) is the cause of whatever catastrophe or natural disaster is happening. Because we exhale CO2 we can be deemed the problem and therefore taxed for breathing. It is WELL KNOWN among the more informed masses that it has never been about environment, it is about population control and taxation. your 77 "scientists" have never provided empirical proof of anything whatsoever in regards to AGW. ZIP, NADA, NOTHING. All we will ever see from you is disinformation from bought and paid for researchers who have been caught manipulating data, misappropriating funds, falsifying documents and the list goes on and on.
 
pixelsmith said:
the foundation of the global cooling/warming/climate change/climate disruption or what ever they are calling it now is that CO2 (an essential life giving trace gas) is the cause of whatever catastrophe or natural disaster is happening. Because we exhale CO2 we can be deemed the problem and therefore taxed for breathing. It is WELL KNOWN among the more informed masses that it has never been about environment, it is about population control and taxation. your 77 "scientists" have never provided empirical proof of anything whatsoever in regards to AGW. ZIP, NADA, NOTHING. All we will ever see from you is disinformation from bought and paid for researchers who have been caught manipulating data, misappropriating funds, falsifying documents and the list goes on and on.
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And there we have it - you are making it a political issue and that's the problem. Politics do not change the science. This is the point I'm trying to make. You can disagree with the way people are looking for solutions, but by saying that EXCESS CO2 is not a problem, you are ignoring facts. The scientists are trying to tell us that we DON'T KNOW exactly how much we are affecting things, but they KNOW that we are. That's the point here - try to take the politics out of it and you'll be able to discuss it rationally.
 
Here are just a few quotes from your "side".

"The common enemy of humanity is man.
In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
The real enemy then, is humanity itself."
- Club of Rome,
premier environmental think-tank,
consultants to the United Nations

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"We need to get some broad based support,
to capture the public's imagination...
So we have to offer up scary scenarios,
make simplified, dramatic statements
and make little mention of any doubts...
Each of us has to decide what the right balance
is between being effective and being honest."
- Prof. Stephen Schneider,
Stanford Professor of Climatology,
lead author of many IPCC reports

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"We've got to ride this global warming issue.
Even if the theory of global warming is wrong,
we will be doing the right thing in terms of
economic and environmental policy."
- Timothy Wirth,
President of the UN Foundation
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"No matter if the science of global warming is all phony...
climate change provides the greatest opportunity to
bring about justice and equality in the world."
- Christine Stewart,
former Canadian Minister of the Environment
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“The data doesn't matter. We're not basing our recommendations
on the data. We're basing them on the climate models.”
- Prof. Chris Folland,
Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research
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“The models are convenient fictions
that provide something very useful.”
- Dr David Frame,
climate modeler, Oxford University

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"I believe it is appropriate to have an 'over-representation' of the facts
on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience."
- Al Gore,
Climate Change activist

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"It doesn't matter what is true,
it only matters what people believe is true."
- Paul Watson,
co-founder of Greenpeace

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"The only way to get our society to truly change is to
frighten people with the possibility of a catastrophe."- emeritus professor Daniel Botkin
 
"CO2 [...] is the cause of whatever catastrophe or natural disaster is happening."

-Pixelsmith

Paracast forum member


It's pretty easy to take quotes out of context.
 
your "side" is NOTHING BUT political. no actual observed science, no empirical evidence, no science derived via scientific method, full of made up figures, manipulated data, omitted data, fudged computer models, controlled peer review processes and lots of money for scientists that come up with a preconceived outcome or they are DEfunded.
 
there shouldn't be "sides" but there are. this scam has been going on since the 60s. your sides "scientists" predicted we would be dead from an ice age and resulting famine by 2000. that didnt happen did it? these SAME scientists changed their mind and said oops.. it is the OPPOSITE of cooling we need to fear, we meant to say we will all die from warming, droughts, hurricanes etc etc etc... wrong. NOTHING the IPCC and its select well funded scientists have predicted has come true.
 
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