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Australian Encounter - Westall 1966

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If beings from elsewhere are exploring other planets I think there is a good possibility that they, like us, would send robotic, unmanned probes. It would certainly make as much sense for them as it does for us. Its cheaper, its safer, and avoids the nasty prospect of unintended contact.

Judging by the number of large UFOs seen, capable of accomodating a crew, and # of humanoid cases, it seems that cost, and perhaps safety, is less of a limiting factor for them.
 
If beings from elsewhere are exploring other planets I think there is a good possibility that they, like us, would send robotic, unmanned probes. It would certainly make as much sense for them as it does for us. Its cheaper, its safer, and avoids the nasty prospect of unintended contact. Granted, you might scare the b-jesus out of a couple of old guys with a camera, but you design the thing to look like a hubcap or two metal bowls glued together as "camouflage." :)

Who's to say that a given alien species would even have a monetary system? It could be like a colony of ants where everyone is working not for themselves but for the species as a whole. If, for instance, you had a telepathic society it seems to me that individuality would go right out the door. Everyone would be like cogs in a machine. There would be no leaders, no downtrodden, no stars, and no villains. You'd be just another piece of hardware plugged into the network. Some people might view that as a utopia but it seems pretty dull, colorless, and even sad to me. But wow, a species like that would really be able to get big things done. There would be no debate, no worries about finances and such getting in the way. If a species like that decided, "We should get out into space" everyone would be on-board, all of them working on it. Not at all like the species of individuals that we are where people always ask, "What's in this for me RIGHT NOW?" I think that people could get off this rock if we were collectively dedicated to it. But we aren't so I kinda' doubt it will ever happen.
 
Who's to say that a given alien race would even have a monetary system?

I think at least one contactee was told they didn't.

It could be like a colony of ants where everyone is working not for themselves but for the species as a whole. If, for instance, you had a telepathic society it seems to me that individuality would go right out the door.

Quite similar to what Streiber said and what a Russian contactee heard not long ago.

Everyone would be cogs in the machine. There would be no leaders,

I think Jacobs' research shows they do have hierarchy. There are a number of cases, like Hill, where an alien leader is mentioned.

You'd be just another piece of hardware plugged into the network. Some people might view that as a utopia but it seems pretty dull, colorless, and even sad to me. But wow, would a race like that ever be able to get things done!

Reminds me of Revealed! The Greatest UFO Secrets. Above, you mentioned "working for the species as a whole." The author thinks the ETs have carried this to extremes (Ultimate Wholism), that it's the secret of their spacefaring success and our future too.

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But wow, a species like that would really be able to get big things done. There would be no debate, no worries about finances and such getting in the way. If a species like that decided, "We should get out into space" everyone would be on-board, all of them working on it. Not at all like the species of individuals that we are where people always ask, "What's in this for me RIGHT NOW?" I think that people could get off this rock if we were collectively dedicated to it. But we aren't so I kinda' doubt it will ever happen.

Oh it'll happen in time, lol. It apparently happened on other worlds at certain stages of their development so why can't it happen here? In fact, that tome I mentioned before, Revealed! The Greatest UFO Secrets, actually includes a detailed scenario of how it'll come, taking into account various economic, technological and political factors, besides the phenomenon itself.
 
It could be like a colony of ants where everyone is working not for themselves but for the species as a whole.

Communists in space! Or whatever. Sure. I think the one of the most interesting questions you can ask about UFOs and whoever the occupants are is, "What is their politics?" and "What kind of society do they belong to?" I mean what is really more important? Their technology or the social/political context that defines their motivations and actions?
 
Communists in space! Or whatever. Sure. I think the one of the most interesting questions you can ask about UFOs and whoever the occupants are is, "What is their politics?" and "What kind of society do they belong to?" I mean what is really more important? Their technology or the social/political context that defines their motivations and actions?

Our own recent experience argues both are important i.e.advanced technology is the necessary but not the sufficient condition for a spacefaring society. No use having even the best space technology is the ideological/value system causes society to invest little in it, and opt for lots of porn and junk food instead.;)
 
Communists in space! Or whatever. Sure. I think the one of the most interesting questions you can ask about UFOs and whoever the occupants are is, "What is their politics?" and "What kind of society do they belong to?" I mean what is really more important? Their technology or the social/political context that defines their motivations and actions?

I know you're joking but I just want to clarify that isn't what I meant. Communism is a political viewpoint. I was talking about a lack of individuality being a part of a species' physical makeup, like what you see in the insect kingdom with ants, bees, etc. I'm not saying that is the way an intelligent alien species would be, just that it could be that way. There's thousands of possibilities for how an alien species might behave. Some could be so bizarre that even after close study we still wouldn't be able to comprehend how they think.
 
I know you're joking but I just want to clarify that isn't what I meant. Communism is a political viewpoint. I was talking about a lack of individuality being a part of a species' physical makeup, like what you see in the insect kingdom with ants, bees, etc. I'm not saying that is the way an intelligent alien species would be, just that it could be that way.

It could be that way, not originally, but due to political/ideological outlook, resulting in something like brave new world.

There's thousands of possibilities for how an alien species might behave. Some could be so bizarre that even after close study we still wouldn't be able to comprehend how they think.

I don't think they'd be that different. I assume only rationality and logic, which has got us this far, can further advance us to their level.
 
It's a great case but I don't know if I'd rate it that high. So many others have physical evidence and/or adult/expert witnesses.

Well that would be my opinion. I think it one of the best cases we have. Does Kids you can tell they were being honest and truthful and they no hidden agenda to lie also considering the time and place they saw the object. I'm 100 per cent sure they saw a metal saucer like craft land near their school. I dare anyone to watch does videos (found online) and for you to tell me, does kids were not been truthful in what they saw. Physical evidence like what landing traces. I'm unsure what Physical evidence you mean here for confirming UFO reality in a given case.
 
I dare anyone to watch does videos (found online) and for you to tell me, does kids were not been truthful in what they saw. Physical evidence like what landing traces. I'm unsure what Physical evidence you mean here for confirming UFO reality in a given case.

Tripod landing marks, unusual metal bits, burned areas, like at Socorro and elsewhere, would've helped. I don't know if there was any at Zimbabwe.
 
Tripod landing marks, unusual metal bits, burned areas, like at Socorro and elsewhere, would've helped. I don't know if there was any at Zimbabwe.

Tripod landing marks is not evidence of a UFO landing. Unusual metal bits example? burned areas sorry not good enough. Socorro case has many problems Trajanus not a good case as far as i am concerned.
 
Tripod landing marks is not evidence of a UFO landing.

They've been associated with a number of UFO landing reports.


Unusual metal bits example? burned areas sorry not good enough. Socorro case has many problems Trajanus not a good case as far as i am concerned.

Metal bits were found at Socorro. The author of IIRC Socorro Saucer in a Pentagon Pantry had a higher opinon of the significance of the evidence.
 
Some could be so bizarre that even after close study we still wouldn't be able to comprehend how they think.

Yes of course. I think that is probably the case my self. Although I was kidding about communists I wasn't kidding about the rest of it. I think it is of the utmost importance to understand these things intent and motivations above any understanding of their technology. It seems vitally important to me for us to understand what kind society produced these things and what mission they have been assigned. I am convinced that they are not here for our benefit in any way shape or form unless our welfare is tied directly to theirs and if so obviously any concern for us is running a poor second. While exopolitics is bad joke the political and sociological aspects of the origins of the UFO phenomena deserves some serious consideration.
 
I think that is probably the case my self.

As I posted above, I don't concur. But while I think ET thinking can be divined, it's noteworthy that Hynek rejected the ETH on the basis of strange behavior on the part of the phenomenon.

I think it is of the utmost importance to understand these things intent and motivations above any understanding of their technology. It seems vitally important to me for us to understand what kind society produced these things

To my knowledge, it is in precisely this area that evidence is thinnest. And while we're not totally in the dark, some info, like Streiber's impressions, and those of Jacobs, may go a long way to explain the coverup.

and what mission they have been assigned. I am convinced that they are not here for our benefit in any way shape or form

Right, as their secretive approach suggests....
 
Just like to chime in as I'm one to keep tabs on the UFO tales from down here. While I don't doubt that this tale has become taller with time, something really compelling seems to have happened to these witnesses, as they congregate every so often 40 odd years later out of a keen interest (not a congregation of the alien t-shirted kind). They were teenagers, not children at the time and a notable witness was the high school science teacher. I have no trouble with the idea that these people saw something unidentified and flying.
 
To my knowledge, it is in precisely this area that evidence is thinnest. And while we're not totally in the dark, some info, like Streiber's impressions, and those of Jacobs, may go a long way to explain the coverup.

I just don't see how this alleged cover-up is a viable idea anymore. We are too wired of a society for that now. There are cameras everywhere, Google Earth, instantaneous news coverage, etc. As we become more and more connected these notions get more difficult to accept. Instead of all this technology making for more inexplicable UFO cases the percentage of unknowns is drying up almost completely. We talk about old cases over and over again because new ones aren't nearly as compelling. And the media is even less interested now than they had been. I don't see nearly as many UFO documentaries on television as I use to. It seems to me that the greater our technology gets the weaker UFO reports get and that doesn't bode well for the reality of the phenomenon.
 
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