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Bigfoot DNA sequenced?

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So, a company called DNA Diagnostics Inc. claims that their team of scientists, engaged in a 5 year review of DNA purportedly from what is commonly known as a Bigfoot or Sasquatch which is now under peer review, has confirmed the existence of the (formerly?) mythical creature. Here's the press release:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

‘BIGFOOT’ DNA SEQUENCED IN UPCOMING GENETICS STUDY
Five-Year Genome Study Yields Evidence of Homo sapiens/Unknown Hominin Hybrid Species in North America

Contact: Robin Lynne, media@dnadiagnostics.com, 231.622.5362

DALLAS, Nov. 24--A team of scientists can verify that their 5-year long DNA study, currently under peer-review, confirms the existence of a novel hominin hybrid species, commonly called “Bigfoot” or “Sasquatch,” living in North America. Researchers’ extensive DNA sequencing suggests that the legendary Sasquatch is a human relative that arose approximately 15,000 years ago as a hybrid cross of modern Homo sapiens with an unknown primate species.

The study was conducted by a team of experts in genetics, forensics, imaging and pathology, led by Dr. Melba S. Ketchum of Nacogdoches, TX. In response to recent interest in the study, Dr. Ketchum can confirm that her team has sequenced 3 complete Sasquatch nuclear genomes and determined the species is a human hybrid:

“Our study has sequenced 20 whole mitochondrial genomes and utilized next generation sequencing to obtain 3 whole nuclear genomes from purported Sasquatch samples. The genome sequencing shows that Sasquatch mtDNA is identical to modern Homo sapiens, but Sasquatch nuDNA is a novel, unknown hominin related to Homo sapiens and other primate species. Our data indicate that the North American Sasquatch is a hybrid species, the result of males of an unknown hominin species crossing with female Homo sapiens.

Hominins are members of the taxonomic grouping Hominini, which includes all members of the genus Homo. Genetic testing has already ruled out Homo neanderthalis and the Denisova hominin as contributors to Sasquatch mtDNA or nuDNA. “The male progenitor that contributed the unknown sequence to this hybrid is unique as its DNA is more distantly removed from humans than other recently discovered hominins like the Denisovan individual,” explains Ketchum.

“Sasquatch nuclear DNA is incredibly novel and not at all what we had expected. While it has human nuclear DNA within its genome, there are also distinctly non-human, non-archaic hominin, and non-ape sequences. We describe it as a mosaic of human and novel non-human sequence. Further study is needed and is ongoing to better characterize and understand Sasquatch nuclear DNA.”

Ketchum is a veterinarian whose professional experience includes 27 years of research in genetics, including forensics. Early in her career she also practiced veterinary medicine, and she has previously been published as a participant in mapping the equine genome. She began testing the DNA of purported Sasquatch hair samples 5 years ago.

Ketchum calls on public officials and law enforcement to immediately recognize the Sasquatch as an indigenous people:

“Genetically, the Sasquatch are a human hybrid with unambiguously modern human maternal ancestry. Government at all levels must recognize them as an indigenous people and immediately protect their human and Constitutional rights against those who would see in their physical and cultural differences a ‘license’ to hunt, trap, or kill them.”

Full details of the study will be presented in the near future when the study manuscript publishes.

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Dr. Ketchum is available for interview or to answer further questions about the Sasquatch genome study and associated research on novel contemporary hominins at media@dnadiagnostics.com


Very interesting indeed. I'm curious to see if it stands up to thorough peer review. So what does everyone think about this supposed revelation? Undeniable evidence of Bigfoot or is it a mistake?
 
I'd be interested to see if some serious academic resistance appears to this research?

Also, don't you think it weird that it says these hominids are a result of humans breeding with another primate? I didn't think that was even possible?
Who's been shagging gorillas then? lol
 
I'd expect it to be the result of error. She's a veterinarian by education, and an independent researcher of DNA. Professionally, she is part of a team who are mapping the genomes of horses. Who knows how large that team is and her rank on that team? She's not a geneticist, and most likely not a legitimate expert. She almost certainly conducted this sasquatch research on her own, with her own small team.

Even if it were possible for humans to mate with other primates, which it's almost certainly not, the offspring are basically guaranteed to be sterile. Unless some very strange group of people have been dedicated to keeping our forests populated with single generation monkey dudes for the last fifteen millenia, she has made a mistake. I certainly hope she has made a mistake.
 
I heard this on George Knapps coast to coast last night and David Paulides was the guest talking about this DNA study. It sounds pretty solid.
 
I heard this on George Knapps coast to coast last night and David Paulides was the guest talking about this DNA study. It sounds pretty solid.

Except Ryan, I'm sure you've heard the controversy over David's work? I'm not saying anything either way about David or this DNA research but my point is that if his work is questionable, then his opinion is equally questionable and of course he has conducted Bigfoot research so could be said to have a vested interest in the outcome?

The only opinion I think that will really matter is the biological sciences community, those specialising in the DNA typing of primates being priority. Because of the small sample size required, it should be completely easy and possible for a 3rd party lab to check the work. I'd be pretty darn happy to think it was true.
 
I'd be interested to see if some serious academic resistance appears to this research?

Also, don't you think it weird that it says these hominids are a result of humans breeding with another primate? I didn't think that was even possible?
Who's been shagging gorillas then? lol

That's something that struck me as odd as soon as I read the press release, we don't have the same number of chromosomes, apes have 48, we have 46, so how can we crossbreed? It'll be extremely interesting to see how this all shakes out, I have a feeling they're going to regret announcing this before they've verified their results through the process of peer review. Some are already jumping to conclusions and insisting that this study is 100%, Whitley Strieber wrote a long journal entry about it on his website:

What the Confirmation of BIgfoot Means
Sunday, November 25, 2012
Something very profound has happened. The existence of Sasquatch has been confirmed by a DNA study that appears to have been carried out at a high level of scientific competence. It isn't simply a matter of us having discovered a new species on the Earth. What has been discovered is an intelligent species that is living in a way that is precisely the opposite of the way we live. The potential for a whole new kind of relationship therefore exists, and for both species the chance of embarking on a new journey that is far richer than the ones we have thus far pursued.

We are as different as we can be. In fact, polar opposites. Sasquatch is here to be; Man is here to do. These are two opposite poles of consciousness, and if we can find balance, we can, each of us, find ourselves in a completely new way. This possibility has never existed before, not in all the long years that the two species have spent living on Earth together.

I've had a lifelong interest in the Yeti and Sasquatch. When I was a boy, an acquaintance of my parents, Tom Slick, led the first scientific expedition in search of the Himalayan Yeti. In 2001 his niece, my close friend Catherine Nixon Cooke, retraced his steps. Because of my interest, I have done many interviews on Dreamland with Bigfoot researchers, and I have never doubted that something was out there. For example, Dreamland this week will cover Bigfoot Sounds and will mark my 7th show on the subject since 2007. (All of these shows are available in the Dreamland Archive. Search on Bigfoot and Sasquatch.)

According to the results of a 5 year DNA study that has been done by a team led by Dr. Melba S. Ketchum of DNA Diagnostics, Bigfoot indeed exists. This study used hair samples that had been gathered over the years by Sasquatch researchers, and has concluded that "while it has human DNA within its genome, there are also distinctly non-human, non-archaic hominin, and non-ape sequences."

This isn't just the DNA of a new species, it is extremely unusual DNA as it is a combination of our DNA with that of an unknown human species. According to DNA Diagnostics' press release, the new species emerged out of sexual contact between males of the unknown species and human females around 15,000 years ago.

It is worth remembering that Planet Earth was in a state of extraordinary chaos during that period, as the last ice age ended with violence that led to the extinction of many species and challenged the existence of the human species as never before or since in its history.

But I want to go beyond discussion of what might have been then and what Sasquatch might be like now, and explore why it is that this species has kept itself so expertly hidden from Homo Sapiens that it was, even among the people of Tibet and the Native American tribes, both highly skilled in the ways of the wilderness, more of a legend than a reality.

From earliest times and throughout our history, Sasquatch has made an extraordinary effort to stay hidden. Not a single skeleton has been found. Very little has been discovered of shelters or habitations or nests. There is only an equivocal photographic record. Few people have ever come face-to-face with Sasquatch, not in modern times and not at any time.

Obviously, Sasquatch is quite intelligent and quite skilled, and seeks--or sought--this concealment. I say 'sought,' because when you hear the sounds on Dreamland this week and learn of the circumstances under which they were recorded, you will conclude, as I did, that they were being made by something that wanted to be heard. Many of the recordings are thirty and more years old, so, if Sasquatch has been making an approach to us, it has been unfolding very slowly.

Perhaps they are intelligent enough to have realized that, with all of our searching and collection of samples, we were inevitably going to discover them, and have been taking steps that they hope will enable them to control their side of the experience, so that we will not, either out of willfulness or an excess of kindness, destroy them.

If they are so intelligent, it is worth asking why they have remained hidden. Of course they must be afraid of us, and the more intelligent they are, the more profound that fear must be. They would be foolish not to fear that some of us will go rushing off into the deep forests seeking the ultimate hunter's trophy.

They are not like us and were not meant to be like us. We are naked and must make our own shelter or die. Nature has clothed them in hair and given them, in their powerful senses, all that they need to thrive. We must make our technology. They are born with theirs.

In fact, they have remained even more primitive than we were fifteen thousand years ago. They are a pre-stone age species, still, in effect, living entirely off the physical assets that nature granted them. We have not been like that for a very long time. Fifteen thousand years ago, we were already working stone and using animal skins to cover ourselves. Gobekli Tepi dates from a time when Sasquatch was a new species, so we were already builders then. Thirty thousand years ago, we were creating art at a high skill level in the caves of France and Spain. Fifty thousand years ago, we were using fire and stone tools, and creating edges in flint.

The study results also show that males of an unknown human species mated with females of our species, which is how the new species was born. Implicit in this finding is the fact that the females of our species must have raised their offspring with the males of the other species. It seems likely, given the chaos of that era, that they were thrown together by necessity, and that, for whatever reason, their offspring were born to take a profoundly different path from that undertaken by genus homo, the species of their mothers. The mothers would not have been hair-covered. The babies were. They would have been clothed or they would have died. The babies did not need clothing. They would have required shelter and fire. The babies would have been like their fathers--they would have required nothing.

Sasquatch is. Man does. This does not mean that they are better or we are better. It only means that we are different. The aim of Sasquatch is to be together. The aim of Mankind is to do together, and thus to understand one another.

When Christ said, "regard the lilies of the field, neither do they reap, nor do they sow," he was speaking of an intentional surrender that is among the most difficult challenges that any searcher can face. Meister Eckhart amplified the meaning of his words when he said that surrender was to become "as a clear glass through which God can shine."

Sasquatch is still living in the state that we were in prior to the beginning of the long struggle to survive that our naked bodies imposed upon us.

In my book the Path, I discuss a way of consciousness that is revealed in the 22 cards of the Major Arcana of the Tarot of Marseilles. The cards are laid out in the shape of a Templar Cross, with the path of life spreading out in four directions from the center of the cross. Two directions, downward and leftward, lead to death, judgment, and being trapped on the wheel of life. The two other directions lead to love, compassion and freedom.

Looked at through the eyes of history, the entire enterprise of Homo Sapiens, from the moment we made our first flint to this moment, is a journey along the left-hand path, that leads down to death and destruction. It isn't our fault. If we'd had hair, nobody on Earth would be taking this path.

At the same time, therefore, there would be no great art, no soaring music, and none of the moments of love and discovery that fill our world every single hour of every single day--or the brutality, the injustice and the evil. Also, there would be no search, for unless you have lost the way, you have no reason to search for it.

While society is trapped on the left-hand path, the individual can choose differently, and take the right-hand path which leads upward and outward, and even, in the case of great mastery of life, enact the search suggested by the cards, in which the searcher finds balance between the two paths, and in that balance, transcendence. But, as a species, ours is a journey from war to war and calamity to calamity, that has left across the face of the planet vast ruins, Sumerian, Egyptian, Greek, Roman, and so many more. And at present, yet another civilization is coming to its climax--our own.

Through all of this time, Sasquatch has abided as part of nature, living inside the balance of the world. Above all things, this is what we have to learn from him--not that we should do it, but that it can be done and is being done.

There is a deeper lesson though, which is that there is no blame to be attached to either state. We are as nature made us, each species built as it was built, to express itself in life as it must.

Almost anything we do to Sasquatch now will carry him out of his long journey in balance with nature and into some version of the struggle in which we are ourselves trapped. Our merest touch is likely to unbalance him, causing him to repeat in his own unique way the same fall into knowledge that we have experienced, that is so eloquently recorded in the first chapter of Genesis.

Sasquatch does not know, not yet. Sasquatch abides. And now his fate rests in our hands. How will we treat him? Will we seek to preserve the presence of intelligence in innocence, or will we sweep him along with us into the storms of the left-hand path?

He waits. If we let him, he will wait forever and abide forever. Perhaps seeing him in that state, and letting him be, is for us the beginning of a new journey of relationship that will, in the end, enable the being of Sasquatch and the knowledge of Man, to join together in a new way, that will bring a vibrant new vision to both species.
 
Thing is it happens

By sequencing the full genome of a girl's fossil finger bone found in a Siberian cave, researchers conclude that there must have been a closely related sister group of Neanderthals living in central Asia about 40,000 years ago. The data also show that, like Neanderthals, the mysterious group interbred with modern humans, in this case leaving behind a genetic fingerprint in modern-day Melanesians of Papua New Guinea and Bougainville Island, nearly 10,000 kilometers (6,213 miles) from where the fossil was found.
The new genetic information, reported Dec. 23 in Nature, underscores the fluidity of human evolution and hints that even more groups are waiting to be uncovered, says paleoanthropologist Milford Wolpoff of the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor. "We're just scraping the outside of what's probably a much more complex picture."

Neanderthal Relative Bred With Humans : Discovery News

And its worth noting both Neanderthals and Denisovans are now extinct.


underscores the fluidity of human evolution and hints that even more groups are waiting to be uncovered

So its possible that the "unknown" genes came from another as yet undiscovered branch thats now extinct.

I think these results are exciting
 
Whitley Strieber is a buffoon. Maybe it's his ancestors that breed with men to make Bigfoot?

I disagree. Whitley is certainly a lot of things, desperate for validation being one of them, which to me explains why he would latch onto something like this without it being properly vetted, but a buffoon? No. Borderline crazy? Maybe, depending on the reality or unreality of some of the things he's written about, but I don't think his intelligence in question. Whatever else he is, he is one hell of a writer and one doesn't get to be that by being a buffoon, IMO.
 
Mike, they seem to be implying that the species with which the early humans mated were closer to apes than man. Neanderthals and the other branches were pretty close on the tree. Interspecies breeding is possible in such a short distance on the tree of evolution (horses and zebras, lions and tigers, etc), but the offspring are sterile. Apparently, Neanderthals must have been pretty close to produce viable offspring. There's no creature that a human being could mate with that would produce a ten foot tall monkey-faced man, closely enough related to have viable offspring.

It's definitely a fun idea, but I wouldn't get your hopes up.
 
I'm reading it differently

an unknown primate species.
Humans are primates

the result of males of an unknown hominin species crossing with female Homo sapiens.
So the article imo is saying the unknown primate is also of the hominin species

Its confusing i know but

Hominid – the group consisting of all modern and extinct Great Apes (that is, modern humans, chimpanzees, gorillas and orang-utans plus all their immediate ancestors).
Hominin – the group consisting of modern humans, extinct human species and all our immediate ancestors (including members of the genera Homo, Australopithecus, Paranthropus and Ardipithecus).

They used the term Hominin, not Hominid.
 
Hybrid sterility is not a strict rule either

The fertility of hybrid big cat females is well documented across a number of different hybrids. This is in accordance with Haldane's rule: in hybrids of animals whose sex is determined by sex chromosomes, if one sex is absent, rare or sterile, it is the heterogametic sex (the one with two different sex chromosomes e.g. X and Y).
According to Wild Cats of the World (1975) by C. A. W. Guggisberg, ligers and tigons were long thought to be sterile: in 1943, a fifteen-year-old hybrid between a lion and an 'Island' tiger was successfully mated with a lion at the Munich Hellabrunn Zoo. The female cub, though of delicate health, was raised to adulthood.[9]
In September 2012, the Russian Novosibirsk Zoo announced the birth of a “liliger”, which is the offspring of a liger mother and a lion father. The cub was named Kiara.[10]


Hybrid speciation is a form of speciation wherein hybridization between two different closely related species leads to a novel species, reproductively isolated from the parent species. From the 1940s, reproductive isolation between hybrids and their parents was thought to be particularly difficult to achieve and thus hybrid species considered to be extremely rare. With DNA analysis becoming more accessible in the 1990s, hybrid species have been showed to be a fairly common phenomenon, particularly in plants
 
Mike, that's fair enough. Fertility isn't common, though it is possible in species more closely related. I realize they were using the word hominin, but since the resulting creature is completely absurd, given any combination of known hominin species, I figured they were just using it incorrectly -- not an uncommon thing in these fields, unfortunately.

If they're using it correctly, that means they are inventing an entirely new species of hominin, that would apparently have to physically resemble a species that would fall into hominid classification, or have just the right genome set to trigger anomalies (such as how Ligers are so large due to the biology responsible for regulating growth size is missing, as these regulatory mechanisms are present in only males of one species and females of the other [lions and tigers]. These are both huge, unintelligible leaps to make, given the small amount of data the team has (or may not even have, as contamination is much, much more plausible).

It's still cool, either way.
 
We know neanderthals interbred with modern humans

The first draft sequence of the Neanderthal genome has provided the strongest evidence yet that modern humans and Neanderthals interbred and that all non-Africans today have Neanderthal gene fragments in their genetic codes

Neanderthals, Humans Interbred, DNA Proves : Discovery News



We know that Denisovans interbred with humans

The data also show that, like Neanderthals, the mysterious group interbred with modern humans, in this case leaving behind a genetic fingerprint in modern-day Melanesians of Papua New Guinea and Bougainville Island,

Thats two Hominin species that were able to interbreed with modern humans

Hominin's also include Australopithecus, Paranthropus and Ardipithecus. And perhaps others yet to be discovered.

I dont think we've sequenced the Australopithecus genome, so perhaps they are our mystery genes.
Given we have two existing examples where other hominin species were able to interbreed with modern humans, i dont see it as a stretch that the conclusions made in this study are unlikely.

And the premise is backed up by this

The new genetic information, reported Dec. 23 in Nature, underscores the fluidity of human evolution and hints that even more groups are waiting to be uncovered, says paleoanthropologist Milford Wolpoff of the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor. "We're just scraping the outside of what's probably a much more complex picture."

As recently as a year ago, evidence suggested that modern humans spread throughout the world in a single migration out of Africa that wiped out any genetic traces of other early hominids. But the new study suggests that the lineage of modern humans is much more intertwined.
 
Even if it were possible for humans to mate with other primates, which it's almost certainly not.

And as the research shows both Neanderthals and Denisovans
did mate with Modern humans.
The study claims to confirm the existence of a novel hominin hybrid species
The data also show that, like Neanderthals, the mysterious group interbred with modern humans, in this case leaving behind a genetic fingerprint in modern-day Melanesians of Papua New Guinea and Bougainville Island
Which makes the modern day Melanesians of Papua New Guinea and Bougainville Island a novel hominin hybrid species themselves

We know that this has happened in the case of the Melanesians of Papua New Guinea , why would it be unlikely bigfoot is another case of the same process
 
Mike, surely man has had the tendency to breed with other, closely related species of man. That's undeniable. What's unlikely is their ability to breed with more distant relatives, the great apes (which is what I meant by primates, though I should have clarified). As you've mentioned, though, they seemed to have actually been suggesting that there is an as of yet undiscovered relative that mated with human women and the result was a ten foot tall, ape-faced cousin of ours.

My problem is with the entire concept of the "mysterious group." A fun idea, but if it's presented as science, then it has to be defended by the rules of science. More than likely, the DNA samples, if they even exist at all, are the result of laboratory error. Many things are being asked of people to accept without any actual evidence, other than a journal submission.

One, the materials from which the team extracted "bigfoot DNA" exist and are from a bigfoot -- some how, the team established this beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Two, the team found evidence for an as of yet undiscovered hominin by examining this DNA.

Three, this hominin species bred with modern human females as late as 15,000 years ago -- yesterday archeologically -- yet no trace of their DNA has ever been found in a single human being.

Four, the result of these couplings, unlike any other coupling in the entire history of inter-species hominin breeding (though some of these "species" are actually just homo sapiens sapiens with slight differences), are extraordinary mutations, leading to size unlike any other modern hominin, body hair unlike any other modern hominin, physical features unlike any other modern hominin, and a social structure unlike any other modern hominin -- the statistical chances of which rank somewhere between impossible and spectacularly impossible.

Five, despite coming about only 15,000 years ago, this group of modern, hairy men established no traceable culture [, yet still managed to survive for 15 millennia, only allowing themselves to be detected when having chats with Native Americans (who didn't immediately murder it like they were murdering each other during the time)].

None of it makes sense. What does make sense is laboratory error, if not stone cold lie.



bolded text is not presented directly by the researchers, but is commonly accepted folklore regarding the creatures in question
 
Two, the team found evidence for an as of yet undiscovered hominin by examining this DNA.

Three, this hominin species bred with modern human females as late as 15,000 years ago -- yesterday archeologically -- yet no trace of their DNA has ever been found in a single human being.

And unless your from Papua New Guinea or Bougainville Island , we wouldnt find any Denisovan DNA in your genes either.
Nor have we tested every single human on the planet, its not impossible that somewhere there is a pocket of
And ive already quoted another geneticist unrelated to this matter which makes the case that there may be yet undiscovered Hominin species

The new genetic information, reported Dec. 23 in Nature, underscores the fluidity of human evolution and hints that even more groups are waiting to be uncovered, says paleoanthropologist Milford Wolpoff of the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor. "We're just scraping the outside of what's probably a much more complex picture."​
As recently as a year ago, evidence suggested that modern humans spread throughout the world in a single migration out of Africa that wiped out any genetic traces of other early hominids. But the new study suggests that the lineage of modern humans is much more intertwined.

In fact that quote could be describing the results of this study, It says the exact same thing.
That there are likely to be more uncovered hominins, and that our lineage is much more intertwined than previously thought.
Its clear that there have been many varients of human and close relative hominins, some of which were able to interbreed
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Adding another to this list shouldnt be too much of a stretch imo
The local people here talk of the Yowie, my brother in law a no nonsense guy saw one, i'm convinced they are real, so nothing in these results strike me as odd. They are as ive noted exactly what you night expect in the context of paleoanthropologist Milford Wolpoff's quote


Faces of Our Ancestors : Discovery News

The discovery of her species, Homo floresiensis, brought into question the belief that Homo sapiens was the only form of mankind for the past 30,000 years.
 
The new genetic information, reported Dec. 23 in Nature, underscores the fluidity of human evolution and hints that even more groups are waiting to be uncovered, says paleoanthropologist Milford Wolpoff of the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor. "We're just scraping the outside of what's probably a much more complex picture."

That's a professional's (anthropologists are not scientists, mind you) reasonable but unfounded conjecture and is in no way related to this particular situation.


And unless your from Papua New Guinea or Bougainville Island , we wouldnt find any Denisovan DNA in your genes either.

Correct. Scientists did indeed find something that exists. I agree. The problem is that this group existed 15,000 years ago, with alleged offspring populations on the North American continent. I live on the North American continent with a billion other people. Where is the evidence of this species in those people? If interbreeding took place between this phantom species and our immediate ancestors, why haven't we already found it in the mass DNA collection and research studies that have been conducted on this continent and every other continent with bigfoot type creatures (like your continent)?

Even an argument that the North American bigfoot is actually a descendant of the Himalayan yeti couldn't stonewall reasonable doubt. DNA information from the people in these regions has been collected on more than one occasion for more than one study. None of this has ever been found. Why?

I get why that defense seemed to make sense to you, but you have to see how it actually puts holes in the entire argument for this particular bigfoot story. Scientists found something in the Papua New Guinea folks, because it was there -- where are the traces for these myster people in the descendents of the humans they allegedly mated with? Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean by that. If I have confused your meaning, let me know.

Still, even without those two arguments, the other arguments are enough to shut it down. Even if we assume (for no reason) that 100% off the offspring that resulted from the interspecies couplings were characteristic of bigfeet, which means not a human and thus not related to any of us directly, then we assume (for no reason) that these offspring were stolen from their human dwellings so as to not become assimilated into the growing human cultures of that time (and on into today), that type of genome splicing only works in specific male/female pairings (like the liger example). Certainly, if their males were mating with our ancestral females, human males were mating with their females as well, and these offspring wouldn't carry any of those mutations. Where are the genes for these offspring (or where are the offspring themselves)?

Unfortunately, though, this story was presented as science and it has to play by the rules of science. We can't make any of those assumptions. The explanation that requires the least ammount of assumptions (and straight up invented scenarios) is the one inwhich a single human being made a hopeful error, resulting in contaminated research and the eventual broken hearts of believers, everywhere.

This is obvious just how we both feel about it given what information there is. I personally hope that the universe decides to stand on its head for a moment or two, allowing for this story to be 100% legitimate in every sense. I just don't see any reason to think it will happen.

But, this is quickly becoming a debate, rather than just a sharing of feelings. I'll give you the final word, if you'd like it, and we'll skip, arm in arm, merrily into the sunset, together.
 
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