Bigfoot DNA sequenced?

[mike]

• A new member of the human family tree may be a transitional species between ape-like men and our direct human ancestors.
• Australopithecus sediba could have given rise to either Homo erectus or Homo habilis.
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  Chris Stringer, research leader in human origins at the Natural History Museum in London, told Discovery News, "The two partial skeletons from Malapa in South Africa are extremely important additions to the fossil record of human evolution." Stringer believes this is "the most human-like australopithecene yet discovered."
  Francis Thackeray, director of the University of Witwatersrand's Institute for Human Evolution, said the new species "confirms the view that there is no clear boundary between Australopithecus and Homo."
  "The time has come to reassess the variability in all hominin fossils from Africa, without necessarily 'pigeon-holing' fossils into one or other species," Thackeray told Discovery News.

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  New Ancestor May Be Ape-Human Link : Discovery News
  
  The hobbit was only discovered in 2005
  
  

  A fossil of a diminutive human nicknamed "the Hobbit" likely represents a previously unrecognized species of early humans

  'Hobbit' Fossil Likely Represents New Branch On Human Family Tree
  
  I doubt we have discovered all the Hominin's yet.
  
  As for the 15,000 year issue.
  
  Well the last ice age was 11,000 years ago, perhaps two species found themselves in a small area still viable for survival, and the bigfoot genus was born of that
  
  

 

[Gene Steinberg]

And what do you say to people who still think the Earth is 6,000 years old, or a certain fairly young U.S. Senator from Florida who wouldn't dare touch the issue when asked about it? Why is anti-science getting so much credibility these days?

 

[mike]

Bili Ape - Mystery Chimpanzee or Gorilla | Animal Pictures and Facts | FactZoo.com

Sometimes referred to as the “bondo mystery ape”, the Bili ape is a species of giant chimpanzee that was long believed to be merely a myth

But back to bigfoot

"Thank you so much for emailing to ask these questions. While I cant answer everything until the release of the paper I will try to help where I can. In the paper you will find a explanation as to the great lengths Dr. Ketchum went to make sure no contamination was possible. There were more than three labs that the samples were sent to and yes they showed the same results. All the details on the entire research will be released with this paper. We did the press release due to a leak of information.,This was why we had no choice but to do the press release. The paper will be out hopefully in the next few weeks. We do not have a date yet but feel it is soon. We have not said that it has angel DNA . That was not said by anyone on our team , but someone else on the outside. That is very much a false rumor. I hope you are able to read the paper that will be coming out. I think it will put your mind at ease and give you the answers you desire."​

Bigfoot Evidence: Melba Ketchum: We have not said that it has angel DNA

Dr. Ketchum and her team of scientists and laboratories have been able to sequence three complete genomes, getting identical results independently verified by different labs.

The results were independently verified with the group silently sitting on these findings for months, as the results were validated a third and fourth time. Remember, this isn’t one total genome sequence; it’s three with dozens and dozens of other findings validating the results. The exact number of specimens, the number of mitochondrial results and the specifics of the scientific white paper will be released very, very soon. The paper is very complex and filled with amazing findings.

Bigfoot Evidence: Dr. Ketchum Confirms Statement By Dr. Igor Burtsev Regarding Bigfoot DNA Results (Update: David Paulides Provides Update In New Blog Post)

 

[ProphetofOccam]

Gene,

I don't know that it is. It's a direct byproduct of any system that embraces or supports concepts that are metaphysical, supernatural, or paranormal. All these prefixes require the abandonment of science, by definition.

Science is the nature-based study of that which appears to be. As things that fall in the aforementioned categories are concepts that can't be reliably detected by applying a study of what appears to be, then the invented parameter of their existence in an unobservable world or plane that is beyond what appears to be is necessary to sustain their possible existence.

Without proper understanding of complex sciences, the concepts within them appear to be abstract. Math, on the other hand, is largely concrete in regards to input/output observation and experimentation. So concepts like metadivision, parageometry, and supermath sound absurd -- these things are just as pragmatically practical as the anti science versions, yet we all agree that math is mechanically reliable.

The point is, as long as one chooses or wants to believe in paranormal concepts, one must also be anti science. Science, by the nature of the discipline, automatically ignores the vast majority of the paranormal due to its very nature of supposedly existing outside of "what appears to be."

Allowing yourself to drift into the believer's circle now and again is just plain fun, unfortunately for science.

 

[Randall]

If there is anything to this we'll soon find requests for independent peer reviews and so on.
In the meantime I won't attack the claim based solely on the credentials of the researcher.
What is important is the data and the integrity of the scientific method(s) used to reach the conclusion.

 

[mike]

As part of the hair recovery and identification process, Dr. Ketchum employed the services of a hair and fiber expert that she had previously known through his expert courtroom testimony. This individual works for a prominent institution who allowed him to work our project and volunteer his time. This person reviews all hair samples and compares them to all known hair and fiber and ensures the samples meet the criteria for bigfoot / sasquatch / hairy man. He photographs the hair and then passes it onto Dr. Ketchum for DNA testing. If the specimen doesn’t pass the hair and fiber testing phase, it does not move onto DNA testing. It should be stated that bigfoot/sasquatch/hairy man hair has distinct physical features that does not match any known hair or fiber.

Possible reason for the leaked release

Well by now everyone has heard the news. Melba Ketchum has issued a press release containing the findings of her study.

What is most interesting about this is the timing. The Saturday after Thanksgiving Melba Ketchum issues a press release, which just so happens to fly in the face of her tight lipped nature over the past two years. Remember Ketchum went so far as to engage in a disinformation campaign in an attempt to undermine the trustworthiness of what was reported by Robert Lindsey. Now all of a sudden Ketchum issues a statement that confirms most, it not all of what Robert Lindsay has reported.

Now Ketchum’s sudden need to inform everyone just so happens to take place the day before an episode of Finding Bigfoot, where Matt Moneymaker and company are provided a large portion of what is believed to be Sasquatch hair. The previews make clear this hair was sent out for DNA testing, with the results scheduled for release on the episode.

One has to believe that Moneymaker’s DNA test has to show something that has never been seen before. Why else would Ketchum choose today to issue a release? Could it be that Ketchum is worried about being usurped by Moneymaker? Could it be that Ketchum is concerned that Moneymaker’s findings will render her paper an after thought, with all the credit for discovering Bigfoot DNA going to Moneymaker and Animal Planet?

Think about it. The discovery of Bigfoot DNA will be major news. Those responsible will not only be credited with a major scientific find but will also likely be afforded many opportunities to profit from their findings. Finding Bigfoot is an extremely popular show and their findings are sure to garner a great deal of attention. Is today’s release an attempt by Ketchum to prevent herself from being completely ignored when people talk about who discovered Bigfoot DNA?

Ah well we live in interesting times at the very least

 

[mike]

 

[mike]

Genome research is making it very clear, that modern humans, far from being a single strain, are in fact a collection of hybrids.
From Denisovan/human hybrids in Papua New Guinea , to Neanderthal Hybrids in europe and a previously unknown archaic species of human, in Africa

Geneticists studying DNA now say , a previously unknown archaic species of human, a cousin of the Neanderthals, may have lingered in Africa until perhaps 25,000 years ago, coexisting with the modern humans and on occasion interbreeding with them.

Cousins of Neanderthals Left DNA in Africa, Scientists Report - NYTimes.com

Two of the hunter-gatherers in the study, the Hadza and Sandawe of Tanzania, speak click languages and carry ancient DNA lineages that trace to the earliest branchings of the human family tree. The third group is that of the forest-dwelling pygmies of Cameroon, who also have ancient lineages and unusual blood types.

Genetic calculations suggest the interbreeding took place between 20,000 and 80,000 years ago.

But the archaic species has a different DNA sequence from that of Neanderthals, whose genome has been reconstructed from DNA surviving in ancient bones, and so may be a sister species, the geneticists say.

Although all known African fossils are of modern humans, a 13,000-year-old skull from the Iwo Eleru site in Nigeria has certain primitive features. “This might have indicated interbreeding with archaics,” said Chris Stringer, a paleoanthropologist at the Natural History Museum in London. “For half of Africa we really have no fossil record to speak of, so I think it’s quite likely there were surviving archaic forms living alongside modern humans.”

If the bigfoot DNA results are true, they wont be outside of the established precidents imo.

It will simply mean yet another hybrid human species of which we currently have several in existance today.

As the science shows, modern humans are not a single species, but rather a collection of hybrids, adding one more to the list shouldnt be a big deal, that they are expressed as tall and hairy is no stranger than the reality the pygmy is short and black skinned

 

[ProphetofOccam]

Ufology, I wasn't attacking the researchers credentials, just pointing out that she's not a scientist, but dealing in the sciences. She's also one person.

But, I don't even think Paleoanthropologists would say things like this:

so I think it’s quite likely there were surviving archaic forms living alongside modern humans

It doesn't make sense from so many directions that I have to wonder if it's actually misquoted in the article.

 

[Randall]

Ufology, I wasn't attacking the researchers credentials, just pointing out that she's not a scientist, but dealing in the sciences. She's also one person.
But, I don't even think Paleoanthropologists would say things like this:
It doesn't make sense from so many directions that I have to wonder if it's actually misquoted in the article.

I wasn't suggesting you were attacking the researcher's credentials. I'm talking about the claim ( the results ), " I won't attack the claim" ( based on the researcher's credentials ). So far as I'm concerned credentials are irrelevant. It's the data and the integrity of the scientific method(s) used. Certainly certification helps to instill confidence, but ultimately it's just politics. It's the evidence itself that matters. So we'll have to wait and see how it stacks up with peer reviews and so on. In that regard you make a good point about it being a lone finding ( so far ).

 

[Skymon876]

 

[mike]

We are all hybrids...................

Their DNA lives on in us even though they are extinct. “In a sense, we are a hybrid species,” Chris Stringer, a paleoanthropologist who is the research leader in human origins at the Natural History Museum in London, said in an interview.

Instead, the genetic analysis shows, modern humans encountered and bred with at least two groups of ancient humans in relatively recent times

Comparing genomes, scientists concluded that today’s humans outside Africa carry an average of 2.5 percent Neanderthal DNA, and that people from parts of Oceania also carry about 5 percent Denisovan DNA. A study published in November found that Southeast Asians carry about 1 percent Denisovan DNA in addition to their Neanderthal genes. It is unclear whether Denisovans and Neanderthals also interbred.

A third group of extinct humans, Homo floresiensis, nicknamed “the hobbits” because they were so small, also walked the earth until about 17,000 years ago. It is not known whether modern humans bred with them because the hot, humid climate of the Indonesian island of Flores, where their remains were found, impairs the preservation of DNA.

This means that our modern era, since H. floresiensis died out, is the only time in the four-million-year human history that just one type of human has been alive, said David Reich, a geneticist at Harvard Medical School who was the lead author of the Nature paper on the Denisovans.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/31/science/gains-in-dna-are-speeding-research-into-human-origins.html?scp=1&sq=DNA%20turning%20human%20story%20into%20a%20tell-all&st=cse&_r=0

Now this is significant, this means that as recently as 17,000 years ago there were two types of humans walking the earth, since we have no floresiensis DNA we cant tell if they interbred with modern humans, but we know at least two other archaic's did.

Dr. Parham’s analysis, which shows that some archaic immune alleles are widespread among modern humans, concludes that as few as six couplings all those tens of thousands of years ago might have led to the current level of ancient immune alleles.

So looking at the bigfoot claims in the context of these facts, the results are not as impossible as some might think it is.

 

[mike]

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[mike]

Sasquatch Genesis- the Origin of Bigfoot - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com

 

[Konrad Hartmann]

Skeptic » Podcasts » MonsterTalk » Episode Notes for Sasquatch: Ketchum If You Can
MonsterTalk had Todd Disotell on, discussing the release.

My question would be, if we agree for the sake of argument that this interbreeding took place, why would we assume that it had anything to do with a sasquatch? Any hominin would still be pretty far from the conventional description of a sasquatch, right?

On a side note, we do seem to know that Homo sapiens and neanderthals interbred at some point; however, they seem to have interbred in North Africa and/or the Middle East before H. sapiens went to Europe. So we have H. sapiens in Europe by 45,000 years before present, if not earlier. We have neanderthals dying out at, but living in Europe up until, about 30,000 years ago. So we have two species that we believe could and did interbreed, but we have no evidence of it happening for those 15,000 years, even though the two forms did seem to make contact with each other. How could that be?
Neanderthal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Konrad Hartmann]

And what do you say to people who still think the Earth is 6,000 years old, or a certain fairly young U.S. Senator from Florida who wouldn't dare touch the issue when asked about it? Why is anti-science getting so much credibility these days?

Education has no power against the willful ignorance spawned by fundamentalism. Fundamentalism has to reject new knowledge, because it is built on the precept that there can never be new knowledge.

 

[mike]

More hybrids

Human-Neanderthal Sex: Lack Of Physical Evidence Doesn't Mean It Didn't Happen, Monkey Study Shows

 

[Konrad Hartmann]

More hybrids

Human-Neanderthal Sex: Lack Of Physical Evidence Doesn't Mean It Didn't Happen, Monkey Study Shows

So H. sapiens could have interbred with H. neanderthalensis without leaving any genetic indicators in the specimens we have found so far? That seems to make more sense than two populations being able to breed but not doing so for 15,000 years. I wonder, were a series of mad scientists to do it over many years, how many generations would it take to breed a being who would be reasonably close to Neanderthal in form?

And while I'm on this train of thought, I hear contradictory things about whether a chimp/human hybrid is theoretically possible. Humanzee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia says that

Having different numbers of chromosomes is not an absolute barrier to hybridization.

 

[ProphetofOccam]

Through an analysis of genetic markers, from both mitochondrial DNA (the DNA in the cells' energy-making structures that gets passed down by mothers) and nuclear DNA, the researchers identified 128 hybrid individuals that were likely the product of several generations of interbreeding. Even so, these hybrids shared most of their genome with either one of the two species and were physically indistinguishable from the pure individuals of that species, the team found.

Maybe I'm not understanding something. If the researchers were able to identify the monkey hybrids from their DNA, why would this be helpful in the Bigfoot situation? The case they're making here is in morphology, and how scientists are looking to be convinced by both DNA and morphology, but morphology might not be that important. This information wouldn't discount the fact that DNA of an unknown creature would be missing from modern populations, in the case of the Bigfoot deal.

This article is addressing a set of the scientific community who skeptically view the chances for interbreeding between sapiens and Neanderthalensis. The lack of morphological indicators in the fossil record is their primary point of concern. DNA evidence could be the result of several different factors, they feel. DNA evidence is still necessary in determining an interbred population.

The "lack of evidence" they're referencing is morphological.

Again, I'd like this bigfoot DNA thing to pan out, but there's no reason to get your hopes up.

 

[exo_doc]

And what do you say to people who still think the Earth is 6,000 years old, or a certain fairly young U.S. Senator from Florida who wouldn't dare touch the issue when asked about it? Why is anti-science getting so much credibility these days?

I want to know the same thing myself Gene,......why has it become so culturaly accepted to not only act ignorant, but to flaunt your ignorance like it's something to be proud of?
TV shows such as Jersey Shore and that baby boo boo show get high ratings, and they are garbage. Garbage that drags humanity down to it's lowest level!
Bush JR was no intellectual, and he was proud of it.

100 years ago mathematicians and scientists were hailed as heroes! Everyone respected them and looked up to them as role models!
Now we have shows like The Big Bang Theory that make intelligent scientists look like socially inept fools and geeks (but to confess, I do like that show...guilty pleasures....).

What did happen to people aspiring to be more? Instead of not just settling for less, but actually putting effort into actively being less?