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Black Holes are Fake

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Even if black holes turn out not to exist for some reason, it doesn't mean the models predicting them were unscientific, or that there's some plot to promote black holes as existing. You write as if there's a concerted effort to conceal conflicting evidence. But science itself is a forum for informed discussion, and so any conflicting evidence is already found in established journals! There's no need for a third-party to "dig". Nothing of consequence will be found.

By the way, it doesn't mean anything that Einstein and Schwarzchild didn't believe in black holes. Schwarzchild's solution to the Einstein field equations showed that black holes could exist in principle, and it is from here where General Relativity predicts their existence.
 
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This is also true of the Texas criminal justice system. Innocent people are never convicted of crimes in Texas or executed because:

There is no plot to convict innocents. Exculpatory evidence is always considered. The safeguards built into the refereed forum of the jury system prevent malfeasance. There's no need for any third-parties to "dig", because nothing of consequence would ever be found.

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Okay and you assert that with no evidence...at all.

Nobody asked for any. If I did provide it, how would you determine if my evidence was valid?
 
Except convictions for dead men can only be lifted after the fact, whereas in science the model is simply adjusted (or rejected) upon new evidence. Science is tentative, criminal justice isn't.
 
Astromathemagics presentation by Crothers at EU2014.

"Black Holes are now said to be both invisible and visible. Quasars are now black holes; so are the 'blazars'. Individual black holes are also alleged x-ray sources. It is claimed that galaxies harbor a super-massive black hole at their centers, along with other black holes dispersed throughout them. All these black holes exist in an alleged expanding big bang universe. However, black hole universes are inconsistent with big bang universes.

The audience were taken through the salient facts one step at a time in this riveting mostly non-mathematical presentation. The math of General Relativity has a notorious reputation for its complexity but most of the important facts can be understood by the layman and specialist alike without any mathematics."

 
There is no way for a layman to figure out whether Crothers is legit with his science. I'm of the opinion he's a lose cannon.

Still, the 'dialog' (debate, fist-fight :rolleyes: ) taking place between the Electric Universe and the rest of science is fascinating to watch. Fact is, some of Quantum's undies are hanging out - and the electric universe handily ties up those lose ends. This is a debate I wish I could be in but cannot because it's outside my knowledge base. Still, I do know that there are innumerable problems with current theory and that makes it fair game by someone like Crothers, who gets the anomalies and pasted together explanations enough to spin his views persuasively to the layman's mind.

What has always been true is that it is enormous fun watching the electric universe stance explain the universe in a far more coherent way than we are seeing done right now. Whose right? Dunno.

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Post-modern physics has a kind of black hole of its own: models of ever increasing complexity that are gobbled up into a singularity of endless speculation for lack of experimental verification. Although, astronomical data offer at least some support for the existence of phenomena with characteristics commensurate with the predicted behavior of black holes.

We know more and more about less and less.
 
Post-modern physics has a kind of black hole of its own: models of ever increasing complexity that are gobbled up into a singularity of endless speculation for lack of experimental verification. Although, astronomical data offer at least some support for the existence of phenomena with characteristics commensurate with the predicted behavior of black holes.

We know more and more about less and less.
My approach was to not look at the physics or electric universe, the scientific community or any of the theories regarding what a black hole is, what it does, or why it's important in the first place. In other words, I looked at the idea with the most basic of approach with the mind of one unencumbered by the educational complexities. Let's see what a third grader thinks with the hope no smart Alec post meaningless comments, but support the notion that there is merit to the explanation.

I saw this whole black hole news by the scientific community to be a front for a truth being hidden. What if, I asked myself, that by placing a charming invalid with a brain the size of a basketball drawing a paycheck year after year without ever a definitive resolution to what a black hole and if it even exists is to prevent mankind from understanding something we should know... or that our ancestors always knew and now that fundamental knowledge is forgotten.

I came across the Helical model of the solar system and studied it. What I realized is that if we were to think of our sun, let's start there, as a projectile moving in 70 thousand Kilometer per hour trajectory with respect to the spinning galaxy, perhaps what we see is the plasma field only and that the leading edge is not covered with plasma. Solar winds perhaps would explain why the trailing edge is bright with light only. Just that alone made it simple to describe the rest. First off, have we really ever seen the front of the sun if we're always behind it? Is NASA disclosing the truth or not? If the number of stars in the Milky Way Galaxy is estimated to be 100 billion, maybe it's really 200 billion because we can't see the back side of stars trailing behind the sun. Like looking back as you're running in the night you can't see your assailant as you look behind you unless they have a headlamp, but someone behind might if the person chasing you has a flashing indicator on their shoes or back of the belt. This is just to establish a point of reference. From our point of reference, and because stars move slowly with respect to distances, it may be that a star our solar system is following is visible until it passes behind a star in approach. The approaching star is dark, like a barrier, and the distant star beyond seems to be engulfed IF WE BELIEVE THAT when this happens, there must be this black hole that eats up stars. It's a simple matter of a magician performing an easily explained trick. Gone unexplained, the audience is kept in a state of confusion with rationale after complex rationale.... forever. The explanation for David Copperfield's disappearing Statue of Liberty trick was simple.. He turned the bleachers towards the dark ocean to the left of the statue, pulled the drapes, everyone was in awe, pulled the down a gain, spun them back around, and withdrew the drapes a second time to reveal the statue. It's all a frame of reference using a persons inability to detect slow motion, darkness through a window of bright lights at night and so on. You get the picture when you spend years trying to do the math on that.

This is where Stephen Hawking comes in handy as a front diversion scientist for the occult. He clouds the subject easily explained with math nobody understands... and when one does, there's an argument for lack of the simplest answer of the magicians trade. I'd have fired him for not producing anything other than photo ops for scientific journals and nothing more. But, because he does his job so well, I'd rather give pay raises so long as he keeps the deception alive and well if I am a traitor to man's knowledge and intellect. You see, science never offers the complete answer to anything because if it did, then you'd take one pharmaceutical pill and the problem goes away without a routine supply of prescriptions. Stephen Hawking is the routine supply of leveling drugs that never heals a problem... just look at his condition. There is a solution and he won't take it for himself and now it's too late.

The word black from what I understand originated from the Proto Indo European root word "Blheg" which means shine, flash, burn, etc. That may indicate the black holes are actually all stars and that because stars have been noted to be Stargates in some circles, they are hollow... they are holes and because the leading edge is dark, a black hole from that angle. And, if there's truth to Starmen and women, the only explanation for them thriving on the sun, or a star, is that there's no "fire on deck". Here's the Helical model modified once again

We can make a simple model of the galaxy in which ping pong balls are painted black on one side and left white on the other. All of them oriented in the same direction and moving in a rotation about the galactic center. From anywhere around the relative position of our solar system on this model, there will be a number of stars we can see and those we can't when the alignment is just right. Our time frame of reference is mighty slow in which it would take a lifetime or several to see that the magic trick was simply one star blocked from view by another. The second we acknowledge that metering and measurement divices are the only proof we have to study them is the time when the answers will always be highly protected by science... after all, they made it all up and convinced us to believe their tools actually do work when they don't.
 
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This video explains how Einstein proved in 1939 that his general relativity theory proved black holes do NOT exist.

Of course they don't. NASA is covering up the fact that stars may be stargates, or that stars have one plasma 'bright' side and a darkened leading edge as it travels its trajectory. Let's put it this way.. they may be portals, but not the way described by science and the ones scientists in wheelchairs have you goosechasing or those sitting in lounge chairs moving lips are simply diversionalists without any reasonable answers but to discredit theories. I'd like to know who commentators are for the reason one is beating dead horses in every comment made and use everyone elses' proof but one's own. Let's see something worth more than 2 cents worth.. but not three. I'd like to see a dollars worth of comment that's not cynical or needs to be lost in a washing machine.
 
Theoretical physics tends to go where mathematics leads it. If anyone here can do the math of Schwarzchild, Einstein or Hawking, you have my dubious admiration.
 
That's the problem with theoretical physics. At a certain point, it stops being physics (a science which describes reality), and starts being philosophical speculation with no basis in reality.

At that point the philosopher can even abandon mathematical coherence and do irrational things like divide by zero.

The end result is millions of kids sitting around watching ridiculous television shows about nonsense like black holes and and star mass objects supposedly spinning at millions of RPM or 24% the speed of light.
 
I don't think we can say with certainty that black holes do or do not exist. Only that mathematical models predict their existence. And here is our problem. We defer to the assumption, based on personal experience, history, and cultural standards, that there exist amongst us a small fraction of the human population whose minds are capable of going to places of power most cannot. Hence the Promethean myth. Because only when these abilities are distilled into a kind of raw power or technological magic do the rest of us come to believe in the intuitively absurd. Who would have thought, before 1945, that banging together small pieces of very special materials might destroy entire cities? Perhaps the same will someday prove true with even more exotic technologies based on models concocted by our most esoteric minds.

Or--perhaps this particular chapter of human history is near its end and the rest is just so much fine print. Maybe the magic hat is almost empty. We don't yet know.
 
This is for those who can't see that Black Holes, as defined by astronomers/physicists do not exist.


If you want a simple breakdown it's this:

At the center of a Black Hole is believed to be a "singularity", a place of infinite density and zero volume. In fact there are only two main components of a Black Hole, a singularity at the center and an event horizon.

1. Infinities are not allowed.
2. You can't divide by zero. (You learned that in elementary school.) Physicists are trying to fool people into thinking they can divide by zero.
3. Thus black holes, as currently described by science can not exist.
4. There may be something massive that exists in locations said to be "Black Holes", but whatever they are they can not contain a singularity and thus are not the Black Holes as currently described by science.

Also, we can't just amend the definition of what a Black Hole is. We have to abandon it. If massive objects exist at these locations then we must give them a new name. So far there have been several proposed alternatives to Black Holes. We just have to determine which one is correct.
 
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Once you finally realize that a Black Hole can't exist because the singularity is the problem then you will also realize that the Big Bang is also wrong because it too relies on a singularity. A singularity is an alleged point of infinite density and zero volume. Infinities don't exist in reality and are truly only a product of mathematics. You can't divide by zero and we are all taught this as children. However, Black Hole physicists have pulled the wool over people's eyes and act like they have a special pass that allows them to divide by zero. So yes, Black Holes and the Big Bang are false. Sorry, that's just how it is.
 
Physicists aren't trying to "fool" anyone.

The current thinking is that we don't understand the math of mass collapse as it approaches infinite density.

The big bang isn't wrong because of infinite density. There's this little thing called "inflation" you might want to look up. Oh, and the 20 year old COBE data, too.

This work provided evidence that supported the Big Bang theory of the universe: that the CMB was a near-perfect black-bodyspectrum and that it had very faint anisotropies. Two of COBE's principal investigators, George Smoot and John Mather, received the Nobel Prize in Physics in 2006 for their work on the project. According to the Nobel Prize committee, "the COBE-project can also be regarded as the starting point for cosmology as a precision science".​
Cosmic Background Explorer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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