Can it be that we are alone ? (wow signal aside)

[technomage]

• Walter Bosley postulates more exotic technologies in play in the 1800's that lead to airships that were more advanced than balloons. Thus, if they were that advanced in the 1800's, they would be even more advanced now. His 90 minute presentation on the Origins of Breakaway Civilizations provides some of his reasoning on this.
• Right, but it doesn't mean all examples of alien craft would need to be of ET origin. There could have been one crash and a high percentage of the other activity seen is the product of our reverse engineering of that craft.
• I agree; I wasn't suggesting hidden finance is sufficient to create a Breakaway Civilization, but it is a necessary component (according to Joseph Farrell).
• The mechanisms of the Breakaway Civilization would need to be investigated, particularly how they keep their science and technology secret to prevent what you describe happening. I know Richard Dolan and Joseph Farrell spend time on this aspect, but I don't recall the salient points. Clearly, there must be a means to keep the knowledge and technology separate or else we run into the scenarios you describe. I don't think this is inconceivable, but the structure of separation would need to be clearly thought out.

Your questions would be good questions to pose to any of the three the next time they're interviewed on the Paracast. I'm continuing to read more on this topic, so if I have better answers, I'll post them.

 

[Randall]

Your questions would be good questions to pose to any of the three the next time they're interviewed on the Paracast. I'm continuing to read more on this topic, so if I have better answers, I'll post them.

Sounds good. In the meantime:

• Walter Bosley postulates more exotic technologies in play in the 1800's that lead to airships that were more advanced than balloons. Thus, if they were that advanced in the 1800's, they would be even more advanced now. His 90 minute presentation on the Origins of Breakaway Civilizations provides some of his reasoning on this.

Like I said before, we can postulate that somebody invented Genies in a bottle too, but where's the evidence? Just think about it. Suppose some brilliant scientist stumbled onto technological ideas hundreds of years in advance of the time. What evidence is there of the massive infrastructure and labor force required to create the materials and components necessary to manufacture and power huge mother ships and ultra high-performance disks? There isn't any. Is it reasonable to propose that it's all been kept secret for hundreds of years? No. Why? Because consider the Leonardo analogy again:

Even if Leonardo had stumbled onto the idea of cell phone technology, consider the R & D and infrastructure needed to make them into a physical reality and how long that would have taken to get all that in place back then. Microchips, radio transceivers, LCD displays, exotic materials like plastics that require oil and huge refineries, indium alloys for the screens, stable electrical systems, and on and on. UFOs are again who knows how much further along than cell phones? It's a totally ludicrous concept to think some secret society from the 1800s developed UFOs here on Earth. Not impossible, just ludicrous.

• Right, but it doesn't mean all examples of alien craft would need to be of ET origin. There could have been one crash and a high percentage of the other activity seen is the product of our reverse engineering of that craft.

Perhaps, but then again, any sudden advancement in technology like that would get noticed right away by the military who would then commandeer it for their own use, in which case we'd be seeing them using something other than F-35s. It's been suggested that the F-35s are just a smoke screen to cover the real thing, but at over $100,000,000 a pop, that seems really unlikely, not to mention: What about everybody else? The entire Air Force of the world builds jet airplanes just to hide a few secret saucers? Again, it's too ridiculous to take seriously.

• I agree; I wasn't suggesting hidden finance is sufficient to create a Breakaway Civilization, but it is a necessary component (according to Joseph Farrell).
• The mechanisms of the Breakaway Civilization would need to be investigated, particularly how they keep their science and technology secret to prevent what you describe happening. I know Richard Dolan and Joseph Farrell spend time on this aspect, but I don't recall the salient points. Clearly, there must be a means to keep the knowledge and technology separate or else we run into the scenarios you describe. I don't think this is inconceivable, but the structure of separation would need to be clearly thought out.

That's just it. When you try to "clearly think it out", it's so far removed from likelihood that UFOs from the late 1940s were built by some secret society that began in the 1800s that it's not worthy of serious consideration. That being said: Since then, secret military black projects like the SR-71 and other technology that has been within our grasp have been reported as UFOs, and I suspect that the secret to UFO propulsion is not that much further down the road. Maybe they've even got it cracked and under some R & D now. So who knows about reports that continue into the Postmodern Era of ufology. Will we even be able to be sure we can tell the difference? I'm less and less sure each day.

 

[victimized]

• If a breakaway civilization got started in the 1800s, that put's them in the age of balloons. So now we have a possible explanation for ghost rockets and some dirigibles. But that still leaves out the kind of craft we're talking about.
• Then if we consider that maybe someone reverse engineered one of the craft we are talking about ( an ET craft ), then we're already assuming that the craft we're talking about exists.
• Then if we consider the "hidden finance" angle: A huge pile of cash doesn't automatically mean, "problem solved". Leonardo DaVinci could have been given all the gold in the world and he still couldn't have created a smart phone.
• But lets suppose some company or another independent of the Defense Department did somehow come-up with UFO tech back in the late 1940s. That means that since then, the entire investigative power of every nation on Earth hasn't figured out who they are by now? Is that really reasonable? I don't think so.
• And if they did figure out who they are, obviously that tech would have been commandeered, in which case instead of building F-35s at over $100,000,000 a pop, they'd be building something comparable to UFOs that can fly circles around them. But I don't see Boeing or GE or Lockheed or any foreign government doing that. They're all still building jets and they all still seem to have no idea where these other craft are coming from.

So no matter how it shakes down, although some black-project aircraft have no-doubt been reported as UFOs, those reports don't describe the kind of craft we're really interested in. Those remain a mystery, and breakaway civilization theories, although whimsically entertaining, don't adequately account for them. So what are the alternatives?The ETH is all that's left that makes any sense. Maybe that means they're from space, or maybe it means they're from another universe ( transmultiversal ). Of those two choices, we know our universe exists. We're not sure about any others. That means that of the two choices, interstellar type ET craft remain the most logical candidates at this time.

That is unless I missed something. If so, by all means let's have a closer look

A human mind when it considers information knows that space surrounds Planet Earth as a body of stone.....that gases/atmosphere was placed around Earth as a natural evolution of cooling.

When an occultist changes the natural atmospheric condition by his occult consideration ^ the triangle statement of the occult......transformation through destruction......suddenly a ^ triangular shaped space is witnessed.

What would you consider the triangle space meant......other than the atmosphere had gone missing to allow the human to see out of space (where the UFO manifestation comes from) to form the signal for conversion.

What do we see as the witnesses to the atmosphere being converted? Red gases...as the natural blue gases burn inside of the triangulated signal, purposely converting our natural atmospheric body......taking it/abducting it before we get the natural interaction ourselves.

The atmosphere a huge body surrounding the removal of the mass, allows/supports the condition.....and the human life burnt by the fall out knows and is aware that occultism is destroying/attacking our holy atmosphere.

We report the condition to the public and are ridiculed, so that the public would not consider the information as a conversion/destructive act as the occult practice of its sciences.

 

[technomage]

Sounds good. In the meantime:
Like I said before, we can postulate that somebody invented Genies in a bottle too, but where's the evidence? Just think about it. Suppose some brilliant scientist stumbled onto technological ideas hundreds of years in advance of the time. What evidence is there of the massive infrastructure and labor force required to create the materials and components necessary to manufacture and power huge mother ships and ultra high-performance disks? There isn't any. Is it reasonable to propose that it's all been kept secret for hundreds of years? No. Why? Because consider the Leonardo analogy again:

Even if Leonardo had stumbled onto the idea of cell phone technology, consider the R & D and infrastructure needed to make them into a physical reality and how long that would have taken to get all that in place back then. Microchips, radio transceivers, LCD displays, exotic materials like plastics that require oil and huge refineries, indium alloys for the screens, stable electrical systems, and on and on. UFOs are again who knows how much further along than cell phones? It's a totally ludicrous concept to think some secret society from the 1800s developed UFOs here on Earth. Not impossible, just ludicrous.
Perhaps, but then again, any sudden advancement in technology like that would get noticed right away by the military who would then commandeer it for their own use, in which case we'd be seeing them using something other than F-35s. It's been suggested that the F-35s are just a smoke screen to cover the real thing, but at over $100,000,000 a pop, that seems really unlikely, not to mention: What about everybody else? The entire Air Force of the world builds jet airplanes just to hide a few secret saucers? Again, it's too ridiculous to take seriously.
That's just it. When you try to "clearly think it out", it's so far removed from likelihood that UFOs from the late 1940s were built by some secret society that began in the 1800s that it's not worthy of serious consideration. That being said: Since then, secret military black projects like the SR-71 and other technology that has been within our grasp have been reported as UFOs, and I suspect that the secret to UFO propulsion is not that much further down the road. Maybe they've even got it cracked and under some R & D now. So who knows about reports that continue into the Postmodern Era of ufology. Will we even be able to be sure we can tell the difference? I'm less and less sure each day.

The Breakaway Civilization could use the existing infrastructure as a parasite and have a mechanism for siphoning the productivity from our civilization. This is what I'm attempting to learn in my reading: Exactly what is the evidence for the Breakaway Civilization, how do they siphon the productivity from our civilization, how do they maintain the infrastructure and secrecy, etc. ?

I don't necessarily disagree with much of what you're saying and you bring up very good points. I'm simply not going to write this theory off as ludicrous because I don't have answers to all the questions you ask. I believe these questions have been addressed by the writers of these theories and based on what I have read so far, they have presented sufficient evidence for me to consider the Breakaway Civilization as a possible explanation for some of the UFO phenomenon and for me to read further. Your skepticism is a good start, but I'm not going to close the door on this topic and I'm going to be skeptical that your points, which would be obvious to anyone studying this topic in depth, haven't been addressed by the Breakaway Civilization authors. Once I have read enough and fully understand their answers, I can then weigh their evidence and explanations against your objections.

 

[Randall]

The Breakaway Civilization could use the existing infrastructure as a parasite and have a mechanism for siphoning the productivity from our civilization. This is what I'm attempting to learn in my reading: Exactly what is the evidence for the Breakaway Civilization, how do they siphon the productivity from our civilization, how do they maintain the infrastructure and secrecy, etc. ?

I don't necessarily disagree with much of what you're saying and you bring up very good points. I'm simply not going to write this theory off as ludicrous because I don't have answers to all the questions you ask. I believe these questions have been addressed by the writers of these theories and based on what I have read so far, they have presented sufficient evidence for me to consider the Breakaway Civilization as a possible explanation for some of the UFO phenomenon and for me to read further. Your skepticism is a good start, but I'm not going to close the door on this topic and I'm going to be skeptical that your points, which would be obvious to anyone studying this topic in depth, haven't been addressed by the Breakaway Civilization authors. Once I have read enough and fully understand their answers, I can then weigh their evidence and explanations against your objections.

Sounds good, and if you run across something that addresses those specific issues in some verifiable manner please post it up. If nothing else it makes for some interesting speculation .

 

[victimized]

Sounds good. In the meantime:
Like I said before, we can postulate that somebody invented Genies in a bottle too, but where's the evidence? Just think about it. Suppose some brilliant scientist stumbled onto technological ideas hundreds of years in advance of the time. What evidence is there of the massive infrastructure and labor force required to create the materials and components necessary to manufacture and power huge mother ships and ultra high-performance disks? There isn't any. Is it reasonable to propose that it's all been kept secret for hundreds of years? No. Why? Because consider the Leonardo analogy again:

Even if Leonardo had stumbled onto the idea of cell phone technology, consider the R & D and infrastructure needed to make them into a physical reality and how long that would have taken to get all that in place back then. Microchips, radio transceivers, LCD displays, exotic materials like plastics that require oil and huge refineries, indium alloys for the screens, stable electrical systems, and on and on. UFOs are again who knows how much further along than cell phones? It's a totally ludicrous concept to think some secret society from the 1800s developed UFOs here on Earth. Not impossible, just ludicrous.
Perhaps, but then again, any sudden advancement in technology like that would get noticed right away by the military who would then commandeer it for their own use, in which case we'd be seeing them using something other than F-35s. It's been suggested that the F-35s are just a smoke screen to cover the real thing, but at over $100,000,000 a pop, that seems really unlikely, not to mention: What about everybody else? The entire Air Force of the world builds jet airplanes just to hide a few secret saucers? Again, it's too ridiculous to take seriously.
That's just it. When you try to "clearly think it out", it's so far removed from likelihood that UFOs from the late 1940s were built by some secret society that began in the 1800s that it's not worthy of serious consideration. That being said: Since then, secret military black projects like the SR-71 and other technology that has been within our grasp have been reported as UFOs, and I suspect that the secret to UFO propulsion is not that much further down the road. Maybe they've even got it cracked and under some R & D now. So who knows about reports that continue into the Postmodern Era of ufology. Will we even be able to be sure we can tell the difference? I'm less and less sure each day.

When we gain thinking concepts fed back by artificial reasoning, first of all is to consider ancient occult awareness as a different fed back informed state.

The human is irradiated, the amount of photon recording of voice/image is done, the same to all natural bodies, including the stone. The imagery/light sound change, the reasoning given to first form as the first scientific conditioned fed back advice (not spiritual/natural) stated information. The awareness stated that a brotherhood of human males due to change of the atmospheric alpha condition that he first valued for occult consideration was now an organized human society that was purposely attacking life by motivation of want. This is why our spiritual minded brother was mind advised and took action against the brotherhood of occultists, for the atmospheric fed back advice told him about conditions he was not aware about.

The want in human history was the want for civilization to be built in enormous structures. He wanted to use his shamanic advice that stone could levitate, as he saw these visions in his shamanic drugged mind, demonstrating that if you believe in occultism, then you also believe in a drugged mind. Yet when you review the history of stone levitating unnaturally, it belongs to a black body radiation attack that converted natural Earth.

In today's different UFO feedback, for the ancient occultist did not have nuclear fuel creation or nuclear fuel power plants, the advice states, that a society of human beings....forming a break away civilization status are doing evil occult practices in secrecy and are the reason why ancient life was destroyed.

If you ask the realization of what happened in ancient civilization....the civilization actually "broke away" as an experience....stating by historical evidence that buildings fell into huge holes that the occult science had caused when they converted the nuclear fusion of Earth.

As the ancient occult messages as a fed back spiritual advice about destruction have been altered since the ancient occult applications and advice, the information fed back by occult consideration advice has changed. So now the information comes back to the human male mind in a different explanation that is fake, as the feed back to many male's mind is artificial.