Close Encounters: Proof of Alien Contact

[Kandinsky]

Just to clarify. I think Complex Crop Circles are made by human beings because the people making them are telling us that they are and the evidence of human manufacture is there to see if you know what to look for.

Excellent post.

It's worth adding that CCCs are also regionally and culturally specific too. Including all the points you've raised, believers in paranormal/alien CCs need to explain why aliens are focused on places like Wiltshire, England. Whilst they're at it, they could explain the general rise in complexity since the mid-80s. Art-forms tend to grow in sophistication over time...just like the CCs.

These all point to human origin.

 

[trainedobserver]

 

[tyder001]

Some are natural "wind" patterns or at least it seems like I remember a scientifc explanation like that from somewhere. Some are hoaxes. I'm not an "alien" beleiver but let me at least say this for the sake of playing the "devils advocate." To say it is "illogical" or an alien race would not behave in such and such a way is kind of silly. If and it's a Big If. But, if an alien race were to "visit" we have no idea how they might "behave." Also, it could well be a "spiritual" or cultural message. I think it's both natural and hoaxed. But, I'm just sayin!

 

[trainedobserver]

Some are hoaxes.

I know what you mean to say but its backwards really. Complex Crop Circles (CCCs) are created as "folk art" in a field. The originators of the modern CCC phenomena were artists vaguely imitating "saucer nests" reported in New Zealand (if memory serves.) That is what they said they were doing. The "hoax" aspect therefore lies in the "researchers" who ignore the testimony and evidence presented by the makers themselves and insist C.C.C.s are not man-made.

 

[tyder001]

I know what you mean to say but its backwards really. Complex Crop Circles (CCCs) are created as "folk art" in a field. The originators of the modern CCC phenomena were artists vaguely imitating "saucer nests" reported in New Zealand (if memory serves.) That is what they said they were doing. The "hoax" aspect therefore lies in the "researchers" who ignore the testimony and evidence presented by the makers themselves and insist C.C.C.s are not man-made.

No, I'm talking about a "study" that actually picked up what appeared to be "natural" wind patterns that some were mistaking for the work of "aliens." Now, I am not a reductionist but I just don't see the evidence (yet) that convinces me we are being visited by "spacemen/women"

 

[trainedobserver]

No, I'm talking about a "study" that actually picked up what appeared to be "natural" wind patterns that some were mistaking for the work of "aliens." Now, I am not a reductionist but I just don't see the evidence (yet) that convinces me we are being visited by "spacemen/women"

Oh. Never mind.

 

[trainedobserver]

As I said, BLT Research has links to the articles they have published. See their page http://www.bltresearch.com/published.php

The author of many of these "supposed" scientific papers is a fraud.

Saucer Smear
Volume 49, No. 10
December 1st, 2002

“Finally, we have a hilarious story from the (cursed) Net, regarding "Doctor" William Levengood of BLT Research Team, Inc., a small group that has done a great deal of useful research on crop circles and cattle mutilations, with rather spectacular results.
When Levengood's doctorate was recently called into question by Dr. Kevin Randle, (of Roswell fame) and others, LeVengood said that in reality he has a "Ph.D. equivalent" from the National Academy of Sciences (NAS). This would be fine if it were true, but when that prestigious body was contacted, they made it known that the NAS is not a academic institution and does not issue "degree equivalents" of any kind. This sort of leaves "Dr." Levengood out on a limb!
Another problem is that BLT's spectacular results have not been duplicated elsewhere, either because of lack of funding, lack of interest, or possibly because these results are not valid! We don't know who the "B" in "BLT" is, but the "T" is a lady named Nancy Talbott. We have met her and seen her slide show, and she makes a very good presentation indeed, based mainly on the research of "Dr. Levegood. Stay tuned!”

http://www.martiansgohome.com/smear/v49/ss021201.htm

 

[Trajanus]

I know what you mean to say but its backwards really. Complex Crop Circles (CCCs) are created as "folk art" in a field.

You mean they have the consent of farmers to ruin their crops? If not, and I'd assume not, it seems like a lot of risk for something which yields no $ to my knowledge.

The originators of the modern CCC phenomena were artists vaguely imitating "saucer nests" reported in New Zealand (if memory serves.)

IIRC they were in Australia in '66.

That is what they said they were doing. The "hoax" aspect therefore lies in the "researchers" who ignore the testimony and evidence presented by the makers themselves and insist C.C.C.s are not man-made.

So all crop circles can be traced to human "artists"?

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Some are natural "wind" patterns or at least it seems like I remember a scientifc explanation like that from somewhere.

I doubt it; sounds like the kind of government debunker drivel heard elsewhere.

Some are hoaxes.

Yes, some.

...To say it is "illogical" or an alien race would not behave in such and such a way is kind of silly. If and it's a Big If. But, if an alien race were to "visit" we have no idea how they might "behave." Also, it could well be a "spiritual" or cultural message....

There are other aspects of the phenomenon which seem hard to grasp so ET responsibility shouldn't be dismissed for lack of a clear (to us) motive.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

You mean they have the consent of farmers to ruin their crops? If not, and I'd assume not, it seems like a lot of risk for something which yields no $ to my knowledge.



IIRC they were in Australia in '66.




So all crop circles can be traced to human "artists"?

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I doubt it; sounds like the kind of government debunker drivel heard elsewhere.



Yes, some.



There are other aspects of the phenomenon which seem hard to grasp so ET responsibility shouldn't be dismissed for lack of a clear (to us) motive.

There's nothing to show that crop circles are anything but human created patterns in crops. I don't understand why people continue to look for something when there's nothing to be found.

 

[trainedobserver]

So all crop circles can be traced to human "artists"?

Any Complex Crop Circle that I've ever seen or read about. It's seems pretty clear that people are making these things with simple implements, namely boards, ropes, poles, and measuring tapes. There is a great deal of fraudulent research and claims made about Complex Crop Circles and they have taken on an almost religious following. In my view, based on what I've learned, Crop Circles are a tremendous waste of time for anyone who thinks there is a "paranormal" explanation for them. It isn't there, people are responsible for them.

 

[Trajanus]

There's nothing to show that crop circles are anything but human created patterns in crops. I don't understand why people continue to look for something when there's nothing to be found.

But some like a dutch kid, have claimed to have seen UFOs in the act of making them.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

But some like a dutch kid, have claimed to have seen UFOs in the act of making them.

I guess it takes more than the word of a "dutch kid" to convince me.

 

[trainedobserver]

But some like a dutch kid, have claimed to have seen UFOs in the act of making them.

There are many claims of "paranormal" activity by human crop circle makers. That is something else entirely but has no bearing on their "origins." Some crop circle makers even claim to be "paranormally inspired" to make crop circles. I don't find those claims particularly interesting myself. Is it surprising to anyone that people performing illegal acts in darkened fields in the countryside would have "spooky" experiences? Really?

 

[Trajanus]

I guess it takes more than the word of a "dutch kid" to convince me.

IIRC the name was von Broecke and he wasn't a two year old.:

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... Is it surprising to anyone that people performing illegal acts in darkened fields in the countryside would have "spooky" experiences?

Remarkable that people with such artistic talent don't have better things to do...

 

[trainedobserver]

Remarkable that people with such artistic talent don't have better things to do...

Quite often art students, art majors, and more commonly, untrained self-styled artists are nare-do-wells and ruffians. This is particularly true if they are English or heaven forbid Canadian. Ah-hem.

But seriously. You should watch Matthew Williams crop circle maker documentary. He interviews several crop circle makers who tell "why" they do it. Many cities all over the world have sections dominated by graffiti artists. Why do they do it?

 

[Ron Collins]

Many cities all over the world have sections dominated by graffiti artists. Why do they do it?

To advertise their territory to rival gangs and drug dealers. Great.... intergalactic drug dealing gang bangers!

 

[Trajanus]

Quite often art students, art majors, and more commonly, untrained self-styled artists are nare-do-wells and ruffians...

You'd think the students and majors would have their positions or careers to think about. As for the others, they are responsible for such intricacy?

Many cities all over the world have sections dominated by graffiti artists. ..

Yeah, but that's not only much easier it can be seen by many more people than in rural areas, and can be appreciated at ground level whereas crop circles are best seen from the air. Yet another key difference is that even though graffiti artists are talented, their stuff usually consists of words not designs.

 

[trainedobserver]

You'd think the students and majors would have their positions or careers to think about. As for the others, they are responsible for such intricacy?

I was joking. I guess I should have put a smiley face in there.

From what I can gather the thing really took off when it attracted more and more people who were fascinated by the crop circles and began making their own. As far as I know only one guy has been prosecuted for making crop circles thus far and like I said, if you'll watch his videos he explains all of this extremely well.