marduk
quelling chaos since 2352BC
I think there's still an argument for near-death psi, these events always seem to take place right around the time the brain shuts down.Non-local consciousness is really a matter of consideration best served by Occam's Razor. Why do people pronounced dead, see themselves laying there dead, completely "removed" from themselves, and by memory catalog various physical attributes and objects in the immediate vicinity that they could not have possibly known about otherwise? Why and how do multiple individuals hallucinate the same imagery? The consciousness experience we maintain is independent of physically restricted qualities IMO.
I have little problem per se with non local consciousness, by which I mean emergent self conscious intelligence embedded in the structure of the universe.
What I do have a problem with is the idea that our brains tune into consciousness - there's simply no need or evidence for it, plus no causal mechanism, plus we are very different from person to person.
I have no problem with the idea of God, but I have problems with theories that require his existence.Consciousness (IMO) is a naturally interactive two part process based on polarized attraction. No different from any other such process in nature. Human beings are basically primary consciousness producing amplifiers/receivers that are in constant interplay with what is environmental, or "mother" consciousness. I refer to EC (environmental consciousness) as secondary due to our relationship to as much. This is actually a falsehood however in the big picture because all matter is born of environmental consciousness, or "God" if you will. However, due to the falsifiability of the scientific process, we have to start with ourselves. An undeniable quantification wherein measurement can gain traction. So, I call us loosely the primary aspect in the equation. This is an equation that I am unable to present to anyone at this time as I do not pretend to understand as much intricately in the least.
It's too easy to become self-referential.
And herein lies my problem.The problem with consciousness is that we have not developed (at least in terms of public awareness) technology that can contain, and thereby isolate, quantifiable frequency states beyond that which we can detect electromagnetically. It may not be possible for us at all apart from real consciousness independent AI which of course at this time does not exist, that we know of.
We can complete isolate a body from the electromagnetic spectrum of the universe.
Except maybe neutrinos and gravity waves.
People don't stop being conscious in those states.
Thanks Marduk. I apologize for the grief I caused you some time back, and I do appreciate your interest and furthering inspirations as all curiosity is an absolute inspiration to myself. In completely hypothetical matters such as these, it's critical to remember the words of one of the greatest Physicists of all time, Max Planck: Anybody who has been seriously engaged is scientific work of any kind realizes that over the entrance to the gates of the temple of science are written the words: Ye must have faith. It is a quality which the scientist cannot dispense with.
Planck and Einstein both were exceptionally profound philosophers.
No worries, and me too.
Thanks for the response.