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I hope to hear more from Tyger about the possible motivations of occult societies in keeping information private within their memberships. I would guess that those motivations have had something to do with threats to the members of those groups from people who opposed their interests and activities.
'Taboos', ubiquitous in more primitive societies, suggest that the motivation is to maintain a distance between oneself and the unknown, especially where the unknown has been characterized as dangerous, frightening, overwhelming. Various practical reasons would exist, of course, for individuals or select groups to propagate such representations and characterizations of the 'unknown' and their own power to protect the larger social group from these unknown forces if they obeyed, paid tribute to, or otherwise cow-towed to those claiming protective power to control those forces.
The collective unconscious no doubt carries much of that history in an inchoate fashion but still capable of inspiring fear of the unknown in people of our time. That could account for a range of contemporary behaviors including the extreme resistance to psi expressed by both theists and athesists active in skeptical organizations, and indeed among some scientists.
The fact that the trickster figure in many different historical settings has often been seen as a jokester or clown suggests that people in those societies have found a way to manage their fears of the unknown by laughing at the liminal and paranormal.
My comment about not talking about the occult was more to do with an intrinsic quality of the subject matter, with the nature of the occult . . . with what happens to someone who talks too much about it being a characteristic of the phenomena. Hansen, if I understand him correctly, sees the paranormal as truly dangerous and something to be respected and direct interaction with it comes at a cost to the individual. He discusses precautions he took when directly exploring the paranormal - such as not being engaged in an intimate relationship and simplifying his life as much as possible. He also discusses the experiences of other people who directly engage the paranormal. I think many people can relate to this discussion.
He also discusses the characteristics of those whose role it is to engage these forces. Such persons are liminal and ambiguous (for example they may be outside the norms of their society in terms of sexuality: see this very interesting website by Jeffrey Kripal, Chair of the Religious Department at Rice University Kali's Child) they may live physically removed from society, they are at once feared and despised, a source of awe and laughter. There is a fear of the real powers than seem to be around them but they are also looked down on and ridiculed.
As for the clown, it's a complex history and fascinating. Hansen refers several times throughout the book to the disturbing phrase "excrement eating ritual clowns" - (my Kindle edition is not indexed, or I would search and give you the number of times he uses this reference) - eating excrement is of course a reversal of the normal and Hansen documents this behavior in religious figures as well. As to taking advantage of fear, that's the role of the priest and associated organizations which stand at great remove from the paranormal. Hansen does a good job of delineating the role of the priest in his discussion of Weber and the disenchantment of the modern world. I think Hansen would say Saints and Holy Fools are truly exotic and don't exploit power, rather they are used by powers rather than using them for personal gain.
Also meant to add, Steve, that I'm not surprised that Hansen comes to no conclusions about the reality status of the 'trickster'. I'd hoped he would at some point foreground that question. My impression is that the trickster notion has in our time become a convenient means of avoiding the hard questions about paranormal, supernatural, and spiritual experiences that continue to proliferate in our world -- most inconvenient phenomena in a materialist age such as ours and unwelcome challenges to those who seek to promote a materialist description of reality.
I don't see it quite this way, if I understand Hansen, this is part of the nature of the phenomenon. The Trickster is betwixt and between (another phrase he uses many times throughout the book) and so it's reality status is indeterminate by nature - it does and doesn't exist . . . this is consistent with the Trickster as mythological figure, changing his appearance, appearing and disappearing, intervening when things get too orderly (so, Gremlins in WWII and the law of unintended consequences in today's high-tech world).
One thing to note, and it's in the article you linked to (which is covered in the book) is the relationship of stage magicians to the paranormal . . . magicians, according to Hansen, (who is a magician) tend to believe in the paranormal and magicians are also well represented in skeptic groups (e.g. The Amazing Randy - who I think it can be fairly said has some Trickster elements about him) . . . and he relates stories of magicians who set out to create an illusion, who get involved in deception and then experience paranormal effects.
Another good discussion on this is here:
Tim Cridland: True Disbelievers and Rogue Archaelogy | Radio Misterioso