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Coronavirus... what if ?
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stonehart
Paranormal Adept
If we can take anything at all other than out sourcing of industry and globalization stretching out supply chains and making them super vulnerable it is how utterly incompetent the politicians of the world really are.
Looking at my own nations response to this I just have to shake my head in wonder at how these people can even remember to breath, Pence is not that smart I agree but the reality is not a single political leader on this planet is really worthy of the position they hold..... if you sit and think about it the vast majority are little more than parasites.
Looking at my own nations response to this I just have to shake my head in wonder at how these people can even remember to breath, Pence is not that smart I agree but the reality is not a single political leader on this planet is really worthy of the position they hold..... if you sit and think about it the vast majority are little more than parasites.
Randall
J. Randall Murphy
Spoken like a true anarchist ?
stonehart
Paranormal Adept
hahaha never been accused of that my friend.. more of a libertarian really but hey no one is perfect
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Farlig Gulstein
Guest
I don't have any particular leaning on covid 19 one way or the other, but I would guess that one aspect of official response is related to the fact that we're already in the middle of March, which, in the northern hemisphere, is near the end of the so-called 'flu season'.
CDC did a 36 year track of flu from 1982-3 to 2017-8 and they found that February is the peak month of the 'flu season' with March dropping significantly.
So, it may be that government officials, right or wrong, are planning around a general decrease in infection as spring arrives, that, according to their stats, significantly lowers the rate of infection of these kinds of diseases.
CDC did a 36 year track of flu from 1982-3 to 2017-8 and they found that February is the peak month of the 'flu season' with March dropping significantly.
So, it may be that government officials, right or wrong, are planning around a general decrease in infection as spring arrives, that, according to their stats, significantly lowers the rate of infection of these kinds of diseases.
What I've heard is that the spreading of this virus might slow down over the summer, especially if the sustained high temperatures of last summer recur, but that, as intensely contagious as it is, it will strengthen again in the Fall and Winter.
Most helpful. I just posted it on facebook.
stonehart
Paranormal Adept
Sadly this would seem to not be the case with this virus, warm places/nations are showing the same R0 as cooler nations, think Iran for a start, so I would not hold out hope that the same conditions that would see the down trend in the seasonal flu apply to nCoV-2 .... The journals I have been looking at all seem to agree that it will strengthen again later in the year even if we hit the logistics curve now and cases fall off, the prediction is that much like the flu of 1918 this will go around the world a few times. Interesting point of fact is the flu of 1918 originated in China as well but we call it the Spanish flu.
Randall
J. Randall Murphy
The way this is going, I'm thinking that the level of perceived threat will go the way of Fukushima. In other words, whether it's COVID-19 or something else, this level of biohazard will become part of the "new normal", fade into the background news, and ongoing flu vaccinations will include it as part of routine procedure.
You might remember there were a few guys out there like this doctor commenting daily on the Fukushima crisis when it was going down. Now we just live in the knowledge that it's still leaking and nobody cares. I hate to say it but there are probably even people out there quietly saying under their breath that we could use fewer people on the planet anyway, especially old sick ones.
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Agreed. It all seems to be unpredictable at this point. I was glad to hear in your British expert's video today that he has recognized, with WHO, that containment of the virus remains absolutely critical, along with continued tracing of contacts and quarantining of families in which one member has contracted the virus. All of these are necessary too 'delay' the spread of this highly contagious virus.
What I'm wondering at this point is how many vectors are involved in producing this widespread contagion. Even small islands (not tourist destinations) in the Caribbean are showing up with cases. Since it's been suspected that the virus had an origin in animals, and animals are vulnerable to it, how many species might be carrying it from one location to another? I'm thinking that it's possible that birds might be involved. Have any of you seen any information about this?
Randall
J. Randall Murphy
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Recommended procedures for hospitals receiving severe Covid-19 cases:
Novel Coronavirus - COVID-19: What Emergency Clinicians Need to Know
"...The mere potential magnitude of cases presenting to EDs across the United States is staggering and should raise a heightened sense of urgency to emergency management and infectious disease prevention specialists to ensure their hospitals have enough isolation areas and supplies for patients and staff. It is unlikely that the United States has the capability to build several-thousand-square-foot dedicated isolation (quarantine) hospitals in the span of days to cope with the potential outbreaks in each metropolitan area, as was done in China. However, with the assistance of the federal government, agencies such as the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and the Department of Defense (DoD) could be mobilized to bring portable emergency hospitals to areas that may have local hospitals that are overwhelmed. Hospital leadership should be coordinating with FEMA and the DoD pre-emptively, and not during an outbreak. Lastly, emergency medical services (EMS) medical directors should develop or establish protocols for paramedics or emergency medical technicians (EMTs) to render aid to those at home who are not sick enough to require hospital services."
When are our 'leaders' going to begin to prepare the public for the kinds of chaos and terror they will meet when they need acute care? If the CDC doesn't begin to educate the public now about the severity of this pandemic, the public will not take the precautions they need to be taking now to contain the spread of the virus. And it will spread rapidly.
Novel Coronavirus - COVID-19: What Emergency Clinicians Need to Know
"...The mere potential magnitude of cases presenting to EDs across the United States is staggering and should raise a heightened sense of urgency to emergency management and infectious disease prevention specialists to ensure their hospitals have enough isolation areas and supplies for patients and staff. It is unlikely that the United States has the capability to build several-thousand-square-foot dedicated isolation (quarantine) hospitals in the span of days to cope with the potential outbreaks in each metropolitan area, as was done in China. However, with the assistance of the federal government, agencies such as the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and the Department of Defense (DoD) could be mobilized to bring portable emergency hospitals to areas that may have local hospitals that are overwhelmed. Hospital leadership should be coordinating with FEMA and the DoD pre-emptively, and not during an outbreak. Lastly, emergency medical services (EMS) medical directors should develop or establish protocols for paramedics or emergency medical technicians (EMTs) to render aid to those at home who are not sick enough to require hospital services."
When are our 'leaders' going to begin to prepare the public for the kinds of chaos and terror they will meet when they need acute care? If the CDC doesn't begin to educate the public now about the severity of this pandemic, the public will not take the precautions they need to be taking now to contain the spread of the virus. And it will spread rapidly.
stonehart
Paranormal Adept
Your leaders will dally around and do as little as they can as to not disrupt the financial system any more than they have to, they will throw around ideas like flatten the curve etc etc but in the end like Italy, Spain, China, and many more they will have to do the same measures to keep this under control. This is not the flu and if left to "burn" through the population like some political leaders have proposed it will quickly become utterly unmanageable for the medical system, burn through is what flatten the cure more or less is but if you have any sense of numbers this idea becomes horrible very quickly... no isolation and containment is really the only option, the who really dropped the ball with this but I am not even in the slightest bit shocked by that considering how corrupt it is.
This site is very good for numbers tracking: Coronavirus Update (Live): 162,933 Cases and 6,083 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Outbreak - Worldometer
Just note that the numbers for China and Iran are by all respects far from correct and are suspected to be orders of magnitude higher.
Sure. It's in every region of China by now. I find the Johns Hopkins Covid-19 tracker to be excellent, bearing in mind that it consists only of numbers of cases officially reported by country. The real numbers are doubtless ten or twenty times higher and far from peaking. Yes, isolation and containment are the only hope of slowing the contagion until there is a vaccine, more than a year out at this point.
Randall
J. Randall Murphy
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ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM
Whittingham
This is just the first wave and other events are coming. For those who have faith pray and feel lots of compassion for all those nations with poor medical healthcare . On the phenomena they are already here (Ingo Swan was spot on and deep down in our moons ) and more exciting events are coming. As remembering my own daughters contact with the unknown it scanned her face and hoovered in front of use both . Then showed us the other dimensions which are real. NASA will reveal very soon its findings and open up the vaults for humanity.