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I FIND ALOT OF NAMES ON HERE WRONG i.e. valle, dean etc
But I found this posted in 1997
Bad Guys/Gals (partial list)

Colonel John Alexander, USA, DIA, INSCOM, (ret.), Ph.D., Bigelow's
NIDS, Aviary, suspected as a leader in "The [UFO Cover-Up] Cabal"
Walter Andrus, USN-ONI ("ret."), director, MUFON, sophisticated
disinformation ops
Robert Baker, Ph.D., psychologist/debunker
Bob Bigelow, Las Vegas/New Mexico casinos billionaire/suspected
Intelligence money-laundry
Peter Brookesmith, writer/UFO debunker
Jerome Clark, editor, IUFOR/super-sophisticated
disinfomationer/agitator
Major Ed Dames, DIA, INSCOM, ("ret."), head of PSI-Tech,
remote-viewing disinformer
Sergeant Richard Doty, USAF-OSI ("ret."),
UFO secrets-"informant"/disinformer
Stanton Friedman, M.S., nuclear engineer, super-sophisticated
disinformer/agitator
Christopher "Kit" Green, M.D., Ph.D., General Motors officer, former
top UFO official at CIA, head of Bigelow's NIDS Institute's
Scientific Advisory Board
Richard Hall, Intelligence mole within Fund for UFO Research
James Harder, Ph.D., "abductions investigator"/Intel mole
Budd Hopkins, artist, "abductions investigator"/disinformer
Admiral Bobbie Ray Inman, USN ("ret."), "ex"-NSA official, head of
Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC) and UFO
black-ops twin, Decision Science Applications, Inc
David Jacobs, Ph.D., historian/"abductions investigator"/disinformer
Phillip Klass, aerospace writer/UFO debunker
Kal Korff, UFO debunker
John Lear, "former" CIA-operative/disinformer
Ted Oliphant, UFO "investigator"/Intel mole/"information vacuumer"
Richard Sauder, Ph.D., underground bases
"investigator"/sophisticated disinformer
Derrel Sims,"ex"-CIA operative/"abductions
investigator"/disinformation propagandist
Dennis Stacy, ex-editor, MUFON Journal, disinformer/debunker
General Al "Bert" Stubblebine, USA, DIA, INSCOM
(remote viewing)/Intel mole
"Val Valerian", (cryptonym of John Grace, Air Force Intelligence
operative), disinformer
Jacques Valle, Ph.D., scientist/UFO-"spokesperson"/super-sophisticated
disinformer
George Wackenhut, head of security organization for Area 51/S-4


Uglies (Unreliables): (partial list)

Art Bell, mole/information-"vacuumer"/super-sophisticated disinformer
Graham Birdsall, editor of UK magazine UFO, sophisticated
disinformation "asset"
Professor Courtney Brown, mis-trained by Major Ed Dames to
"remote-view" UFOs and ETs
Glen Campbell, Area 51 "investigator", super-sophisticated
disinformer
Martin Cannon, mind-control investigator/disinformer
Peter Davenport, "ex"-National Security Agency operative; head of
National UFO Reporting Ctr.
Michael Hesemann, UFO investigator/information vacuumer for Prince
Hans Adam of Lichenstein
Linda M. Howe, "useful fool" for super-sophisticated Intel
information-vacuuming/propaganda
Commander Scott Jones, USN (ret.), Ph.D., "ex"-Intelligence
officer/"paranormal investigator"
Roger Leir, D.P.M., implants investigator-extracter/"useful fool" for
partner Derrel Sims of CIA
Bob Oechsler, UFO investigator, "useful fool" for spreading
sophisticated UFO disinformation
Kevin Randle, UFO investigator, agit-prop ops
Yvonne Smith, abductions investigator, in the past spread
sophisticated UFO disinformation


Good Guys (partial list)

David Adair, former contract scientific consultant to NASA on UFO
propulsion technology
Colin Andrews, crop circles investigator
Richard Boylan, Ph.D., psychologist/ET encounters researcher
John Carpenter, LCSW, ET encounters researcher-therapist
Sean Casteel, UFO investigative journalist
Scott Catamas, UFO investigative journalist-TV producer
Major Gordon Cooper, USAF, (ret.), Apollo astronaut, UFO reality
publicist
Lt. Colonel Phillip Corso, USA., (ret.), custodian of Roswell UFO;
UFO reality publicist
Marc Davenport, UFO investigator/journalist
Command Sergeant-Major Robert Dean, USA/NATO, (ret.), UFO reality
publicist
Timothy Good, top UFO investigator
William Hamilton, UFO investigator/journalist
Norio Hayakawa, UFO investigator, (but has accepted disinformation
about ET motives)
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Richard Hoagland, scientist, investigator of ET artifacts on Mars and
the Moon
Jack Kasher, Ph.D., professor, UFO investigator
Captain Guy Kirkwood, USAF, Special Projects (ret.), AKA "Mel Noel",
UFO investigator
Robert Lazar, former physicist at Los Alamos and Area 51/S-4, UFO
reality publicist
Michael Lindemann, UFO writer-publisher
Ted Loman, UFO investigative journalist-TV producer
John Mack, M.D., Harvard Psychiatry Professor, ET encounters
researcher-therapist
Jesse Marcel, Jr., M.D., son of Intelligence officer at Roswell
Saucer, UFO reality publicist
Jim Marrs, investigative journalist, UFO reality publicist

Edgar Mitchell, Ph.D., Apollo astronaut, UFO reality publicist
Brian O'Leary, Ph.D., Mars Mission astronaut, UFO reality publicist
Tech Sergeant Dan Sherman, USAF, NSA (ret.), ET communications
expert/UFO reality publicist
Leo Sprinkle, Ph.D., psychologist, ET encounters researcher
Colonel Wendelle Stevens, USAF (ret.), UFO investigator/journalist
Whitley Strieber, ET encounters investigator/journalist
Colonel Donald Ware, USAF (ret.), UFO investigator, metaphysician
Michael Wolf, M.D., Ph.D., Sc.D., J.D., repentant member of MJ-12
Special Studies Group, UFO reality publicist

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nice list, i think I would say every one of them has contributed in disinformation of this topic in some form, they are all guilty of contributing to the mess ufology is today. I can accurately say that I know no one that would look at this thread and say its not nuts.
 
Zandroid said:
Clearly we disagree about certain things.

But I dont want to get into debate arguments. I used to get into flame wars online long ago and it just is not worth both of our time. I will just leave it at that.
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By Good, I had heard it was somewhat entertaining. Not accurate to how the CIA works.

As far as flame wars go, that's pretty laughable considering you were the one who backhandedly insulted me.
 
David Biedny said:
That list has a load of crap - Budd Hopkins, Jerome Clark, Stan Friedman are "bad guys", while Boylan, Hoagland and Robert Dean are credible? Gimme a break.

dB
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I assumed the list itself was some sort of joke.

People actually thought that was real? Or it was supposed to be?
 
Zandroid said:
Clearly we disagree about certain things.

But I dont want to get into debate arguments. I used to get into flame wars online long ago and it just is not worth both of our time. I will just leave it at that.
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Wow. You sound like me. Usenet days phase you out of the flames wars? It did me.

Think Tommy was being humorous in the first post that sent you off btw. He was having fun with me. The Spies Like Us bit. My impression at least.
 
I found that list it was posted in 1997 btw so its 12 years old.

Glenn Clambell posted it.

Oh well. :rolleyes:

I do like Robert Dean BTW I think he is a very interesting story.

but I agree with the rest of David's thoughts
 
And what's up with Speilberg, I mean, Transformers, the latest Indiana Jones. It could be called Covert, I asked a group of friends what they thought of the ufo -Alien connection in the film. They replied it was about robots, the underlining theme completely went over top of there heads.
 
Zandroid said:
Glenn Clambell posted it.

Oh well. :rolleyes:
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Was it Hurricane Ike that leveled Galveston, or was it really Glen Campbell?

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I'll bet ninety nine percent of the people involved in critiquing people in the field behind their unsuspecting backs are agents themselves. How's that?

:D
 
Nethawk said:
I'll bet ninety nine percent of the people involved in critiquing people in the field behind their unsuspecting backs are agents themselves. How's that?

:D
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Wow... That's an interesting thought.

I am very critical of a lot of people in this field, yet I'm not paid to do so. I guess that just makes me an asshole.
 
Nethawk said:
Not certain. But experience has taught me that you don't become a person of calibre by dishing out cheap shots.
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So do you hate Don Rickles? David Letterman? Robin Williams?

And it genuinely makes me laugh when folks think that we're covert operatives - I've personally been accused of that by some of the biggest asshats in the UFO "field". Truly funny stuff.

dB
 
In my view, CIA agents and the like do not pose as UFO researchers. Instead, spooks pose as highly credible witnesses and "leak" various aspects of the truth to different researchers. Greg Bishop's book "Project Beta" demonstrates this readily, dealing with the Bennewitz, Moore, Doty situation that led to so many modern UFO myths.

Take a researcher like Richard Dolan. We have here a highly paranoid though intelligent individual with a conspiracy bias (a tendency to think that everything can be explained as a part of some grand, overarching conspiracy). If I am a military General and want to protect "the truth" from probing researchers like him, I talk to him personally and pretend to be fed up with secrecy, using him as the unknowing mouthpiece of the disinformation. I tell him, for example, that Corsco was legit, that Bob Lazar worked at A51, that private industrial/internationalists are now in control of UFO secrecy, etc., etc. If I do not talk to him personally, I dispatch one of my spooks to do it.

This example doesn't mean that there aren't agents posing as UFO researchers. I suppose that there could be. What I've described appears to be so much simpler, however.
 
A great way to find out who's legit and who isn't, is to find out who the parent company is of their publishers.

About a third of all publishers end up being front companies for the government.

Paladin Press is a shining example.
 
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