Holy moly – I never expected four printed pages of posts to appear in this thread over the last couple of weeks
Let’s dive right in…
So, according to Sean Carroll, new empty space is added to the intergalactic voids at a constant rate. And the energy density of that new empty space is constant. Right?
Yes, and Sean Carroll is an extremely intelligent scientist, but we’re way out on a limb with the current, tenuous (and I daresay “dubious”) model of dark energy. Plus, I think we could see general relativity overthrown by G4v pretty soon, so it would be prudent to bear in mind that the way we think about dark energy today is probably deeply flawed and transient.
An explanation of the Alcubierre-White Warp Drive | AsteronX
Anyway, that's a good explanation of how Alcubiere-White's drive works.
Kinda sorta. This is *by far* the most wildly optimistic assessment of the status of warp field propulsion that I’ve ever encountered – and I’ve read a lot of wildly optimistic articles on the subject in the pop literature. Who is AsteronX – is he a scientist? His expectations are far removed from that of the academic physics community. Frankly I think it’s crazy to expect a major breakthrough in the next 5-10 years, and a working warp transport within our lifetime. Barring a radical transformation of our understanding of gravitation, it looks to be a technology hundreds, or more probably thousands, of years ahead of us. But I hope I’m wrong about that.
It has to be stated clearly that what I'm about to propose is simply my intuitive view of the universe and the dark matter issue.
And it's hard to explain without a white board but here goes.
Imagine a point in the middle of the room you are in, Halfway between the floor and ceiling. Let's call it the big bang.
And BANG, A spherical pressure wave expands outwards. Now imagine that spherical pressure wave is 3 inch's thick. It has a leading edge (outside) and a trailing edge (inside).
Our galaxy is somewhat closer to the trailing edge and the observable universe is a cookie cutter sized tube 3 inches long set in this 3 inch thick sphere.
The vast majority of matter ejected by the BB, is out towards the leading edge of this pressure wave, And has already started coalescing into super super massive black holes.
The trailing edge of the wave is being pulled out towards them.
That is, the universe isn't expanding because its being pushed, But rather pulled out towards the lion's share of ejected matter now coalesced as super super massive black holes encircling the outside edge of the spherical pressure wave.
Eventually all the matter will be pulled out into these super super massive black holes, and they will then all coalesce at some point and the whole process starts again
(Big bang/Gnab Gib) or Big Bang/Big Crunch sceanario.
The Big Bang and the Big Crunch - The Physics of the Universe
No need for dark energy or dark matter in this model.
Again this is just my idea on what might be happening, I'm not presenting it as a fact or theory.
That’s an original idea; nice work – it’s hard to come up with an original idea. There are so many facets of the current inflationary model of the cosmos that don’t correlate to your model, though, that I don’t know how to build a bridge between the two. For example, in the Big Bang model, spacetime expands with the matter, rather than the matter exploding into an existing spacetime, so I don’t see how you could generate a shock wave. There are tiny ripples in the CMB, but those don’t fit a shockwave model as you’ve described here because they’re much too subtle and too small in scale.
In fact even today, it seems that on the cosmic scale the distribution of matter is sort of isotropic on average, and it’s expected to be that way throughout the entire infinite cosmos [see the results of the Baryon Oscillation Spectroscopic Survey (BOSS) for details], though of course we can’t know for sure what’s beyond the horizon of the observable universe. All we really know is that the universe appears to be flat to within observational error, so if there is any kind of density gradient (the key feature of a compression wave) then it’s either too subtle to detect, or it lies completely beyond the observable universe.
It’s always a good practice to consider a wide variety of explanatory mechanisms – it keeps the mind nimble and pliable. And sometimes an explanation that you’ve considered for one phenomenon, down the line turns out to explain a different phenomenon perfectly. I suggest reading everything you can about the current model, and the evidence that’s used to support it and how, and seeing if you can make your idea fit the observations. It’s a good exercise, if nothing else.
I've just finished reading Fry's book "To Men of Earth", 1973 edition.
Maybe I was focusing on the bad stuff. But there was a lot off-putting in that story.
He starts with two Earth's ancient civilizations, Atlantis and somebody else in from Pacific, fighting in a nuclear war. That's baloney. Did he hear that from ETs? Or was it just an embellishment. Who knows.
In an open letter to N.I.C.A.P. in 1958, Daniel Fry stated the following:
“In composing my report of the incident at White Sands, I took great care to present it in such a manner that it would immediately be dismissed as nonsense by the `military’ type of mind, and yet would present all the vital information in such a. manner that its value could readily be understood by the type of mind capable of making use of it.”
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I assume that he included all of that Atlantic and Mu stuff in the book for that precise purpose, but perhaps I’m too forgiving. I would think that he would’ve needed to get permission from the military to write about an alleged experience that transpired at a top secret US military missile testing base, and that getting that permission would be much easier if they felt that it was a work of fiction, which the Atlantic and Lemuria stuff strongly suggests. I think he talked about this in one of his recorded talks – I’ll see if I can find it next time I’m listening to my audio archive of Daniel Fry, and I’ll post a transcript of that part if I can find it.
Second, he talks about these particles, that are the part of the cargo craft's skin. These particle are coerced out from atom's nuclei and they create a repulsive force. So when he pressed on the craft's hull with his finger, finger kept slipping as if surface was covered with oil. Now, I guess there is no such particle in the Standard Model. Even more so, none of the nuclei constituents, like gluons, can be coerced out of the protons & neutrons. One of the firmest postulates of the Standard Model is that if you try to pull gluon out of, say proton, whole thing will explode and you'll never see gluon. Or, simply, constituent parts of nucleons can not be extracted.
If you read that part more carefully, you’ll see that he’s referring to something that he calls a “binding energy particle,” and he describes it in distinctly different terms than the ordinary particles of matter (the Standard Model particles). A “binding energy particle” would possess negative energy (and therefore negative mass), by definition, because binding energy is always negative. In fact he’s certainly talking about a field, and not a particle in the conventional sense, because binding energy doesn’t exist in isolation; it’s a product of other forces (all fundamental particles are actually point-like entities defined by their field characteristic in quantum field theory though, so it’s really not much different than this concept). This is definitely one of those topics in his books which falls into the category of “alien physics,” because A-lan’s people have a very different view of physics than we have, we’re told – that’s also discussed in his books: Fry is told that it would require a complete re-education on the fundamentals of physics for him to understand fundamental physics from their perspective.
It may also be worth mentioning that the nuclear strong force, which Fry is told is a different form of the gravitational force, possesses both a positive and a negative polarity: at very short distances the strong force is repulsive (which is why atomic nuclei don’t implode). Only at slightly larger distances does it become strongly attractive. A-lan is suggesting that the atomic nucleus can be modified to create a repulsion field that extends out beyond the electrons. At one point he describes the process required to do this, and it involves a long-term saturating bombardment of platinum nuclei with high-energy (I think in the form of photons or protons - I can’t recall at the moment). Anyway, this is how he explains the short-range field that protects the craft from micrometeorites and such. I have no idea if it’s theoretically feasible; nobody does. We’re only now beginning to engineer the quantum wavefunction of matter at the molecular scale (see: topological insulators). Nobody’s given serious thought to synthetically engineering the wavefunction of nuclear matter yet.
But that's interesting anyhow. Because Bob Lazar described the workings of artificial gravitation of the craft he had worked on in a similar way. I forgot the exact mechanism, but some particles were extracted from nucleons and they created artificial gravity. Did Lazar read Fry's book?
It seems unlikely, but it’s possible. In Lazar’s model, superheavy nuclei emit gravitational waves which are then rectified and passed through waveguides to create a localized gravitational field. But I think that Lazar was hired by an intelligence agency to parrot the story that they wanted him to publicize, for reasons relating to the superheavy elements on the island of stability. But that’s a whole other topic – it came up before here, perhaps in this thread. A guy with Lazar’s publicly documented skeeziness would never get a security clearance to work on an unacknowledged special access program. But he might have qualified for a covert intelligence operation, where unethical behavior can be an asset.
And quite recently, journalist Phillip Krapf who worked for the Los Angeles Times newspaper, was apparently a contactee. In his story, aliens lived on large ships and cruised from a star to a star. In his case, they had a giant ship hiding behind the Moon. But he was invited to dine with them and apparently food was first class.
It’s funny you should bring this up – I just listened to Krapf’s interview on the old Art Bell show, from back in the 90’s. This is another one of these crazy stories that just sounds so sincere when he tells it; I don’t know what to make of it. Dan Sherman’s interview was like this too. Both of these guys sound so incredibly earnest. And if their stories are true, it’s gargantuan news. It’s so hard to believe though – even harder than Fry’s story, which is mundane by comparison.
Fry's idea of moving the whole civilization off onto the giant ships makes lots of sense, because its safer and more controllable environment.
Sure - with artificial gravity and warp field propulsion, plus highly sensitive sensors to detect fast-moving particles in the vicinity of the craft, that would be the way to live. It’s interesting that he described this long before Star Trek made the notion of living aboard a spaceship a popular concept.
As well, the idea discussed here in another thread, about Roswell autopsy report, perfectly matches the idea of life on a big ship. In that thread aliens were described as apparently creating body's energy through photosynthesis, so much so that they didn't have digestive organs. As Fry described, these ships would have a plenty of opportunity to produce, harvest and store energy in a form of electricity. And electricity is easily converted into light. And light, through the photosynthesis can easily provide living organism with energy, without a need for food, food storage and food preparation. Artificial photosynthesis in laboratory is 20 times more efficient than what plant do. So, photosynthesis can produce more energy than a human actually needs.
Instead of bothering with breakfast, lunch and dinner, you just walk around naked and sleep in a sun-bed. ;-)
Sure, but I bet there’s a way to engineer a very practical and efficient closed system for creatures like ourselves, as well. Imagine eating dinners that are fully absorbed into the body, and filtering the waste products out of the urine to make other products through bioengineered algae and soforth. Photosynthetic skin would be pretty convenient, but who doesn’t love breakfast?
That should be enjoyable for you. Here's a start,
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most if not all the Roberts/Seth material can be found freely on the 'Net.
Thank you. Can you cite any successful scientific predictions in the Seth material, so we can all hear about them? I still haven’t made time to read my own sister’s novel, so it’s gonna be awhile before I can read this book.
And many dimensions. Let me suggest that you create your own OBE and prove it to yourself. For most, moi included, it is truly a spiritually transformative experience. I have a particular affinity for William Buhlman whose books are superb...
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...I still use the Hemi-Sync recordings from the Monroe Institute to generate self-induced OBEs. Caveat: Know where you are going before you get there, OBE will take you where you set your intent.
Interesting. I’ve never heard of William Buhlman; I’ll have to look him up. I felt that way about my first lucid dream experience. And I’ve read Robert Monroe’s first book and one of Ingo Swann’s books, but I’ve never had an OBE.
Scientists are actually studying OBEs now, finally – there was an article about it in The Atlantic a few days ago actually. Fascinating stuff:
Why People Have Out-of-Body Experiences
I wonder if OBEs are a form of lucid dream.
Re WARP DRIVE, there is a faint trace case of something possibly similar to an warp drive artifact.
In the one of the best multiple whiteness cases ever, known as Kelly Cahill, Australian August 1993 case, a physicist John Auchettl, as a principal investigator from the Phenomena Research Australia (PRA), did a measurement of the landing site with magnetometer and found a static magnetic anomaly. This is is the diagram that he presented:
The static magnetic anomaly, that can be seen in the middle, is in a shape of the crescent. I admit its not much as what both halves of a fully formed warp drive would show.
That’s intriguing – you find some great stuff.
It’s a radical leap to attribute a magnetic field effect like that to a warp field effect though – according to our current understanding of warp field physics, they shouldn’t produce any static magnetic field effects like that. A warp field is an energy field, not a magnetic field. Of course, we don’t really know the best way to try to produce that energy field – it might involve electrical and magnetic fields, but if so, I would think that the fields would oscillate – and that would actually degauss magnetic materials, not magnetize them. But like I said, we are definitely grasping in the dark on this topic: until somebody can produce a warp field effect, it’s premature to assign any specific physical attributes to them other than their key operational characteristic: locally distorted spacetime.
These static magnetic anomalies are typical in many other UFO cases. Practically, for several days after UFO left there is a strong static magnetic signature even on non-magnetizable (para-magnetic) objects like soil, trees, plastic etc.
That’s interesting too. How a static magnetic field could be related to a field propulsion system is a total mystery to me though. Perhaps it’s not related; maybe they store their energy magnetically rather than electrically (casually ignoring the unification of electromagnetism here, for the sake of specificity).
Not at all unlikely; ETs have spouted baloney for decades.
That’s a good point. Daniel Fry’s books about physics are uniquely logical and sensible though, which is why I focus on them. And they allegedly originated from his conversation with his alien contact, so it’s possible, if improbable, that they’re analogous to a modern physicist trying to explain general relativity to an ancient Greek.
I haven't read the book so I don't know where he got that info from albeit it is fundamentally true.
Atlantis was plagued by warring factions and finally destroyed nearly 13,000 years ago by an asteroid. A completely different source ( “Lucillius ” — one of Dr. Marshall’s past lives) came through the direct voice medium Leslie Flint in an August 27, 1962, seance also explains how Atlantis was plagued by warring factions and finally destroyed by an asteroid nearly 13,000 years ago.
I find it disturbing that you place so much confidence in the words of mediums and channelers. And I know of no evidence that the Earth was impacted by a significantly energetic asteroid 13,000 years ago.
Don't know about ET cuisine but the "cruising from star to star" fails at the first application of common sense. Light-year distances cannot be covered in reasonable time simply by cruising. ET looks at an object, like a ship (which is fully conscious), and replaces the location variable (part of the energetic equation of that object that we fail to see) with a new definition. The movement is instantaneous and requires no propulsion. Including many of the ships parked on the dark side of the moon.
That's one way, many ETs do not sleep or eat because they have learned how to directly tap Source energy.
First you directly contradict yourself on the subject of interstellar propulsion, and then you refer to something called “Source energy” which is totally undefined. Also, “common sense” is the least reliable compass for scientific understanding. So it would probably be completely futile to respond to any of that.
Another contactee that made scientific predictions was Wilbert Smith, an Canadian Electronics engineer who worked for government. Smith was probably the first to set up an UFO tracking station, with magnetometer, electroscope and gravimeter, similar to Ray Stamford. This lab was apparently successful, and was able to record presence of UFOs. Unfortunately, UFOs only turned up when there was a heavy fog so they can't be visually idetified or photographed.
Smith's UFO craft tracking lab
His ET was called Alfie and there was no physical contact, like with Fry, just telepathy. But it was more or less daily in frequency. Alfie described himself as a garbage collector, who's job was to clean up whatever after humans would do nuclear explosions.
• Alfie told Smith that electrons are not particles and that what was than called "particles" are just a center of activity. That's what modern Quantum Field Theory (QFT) states, there are only fields, no particles. QFT is the most accurate microscopic world theory so far and its the only theory used in CERN for analyzing experiments. Only issue is that QFT came out at about the same time in late 1950's, as Smith's testimonies, so theoretically he could had read in papers about it.
• Alfie told Smith that there are 12 dimensions. Modern string theory claims there are 11 dims. Its hard to say if this counts, because String Theory is mostly conceived to make comic books more interesting to read ;-)
• When Smith asked Alfie to explain to him how propulsion works than Alfie advised him to try rotating some magnets. Smith promptly set up experiments and with an extremely accurate lab grade scale found a small deflection. Practically the same method as Fry was given.
On this low resolution photo you can just about see the setup. There was rotating magnetic ring and a small non-magnetic sample hanging off the scale. It can barely be discerned that scale shifted off the neutral point. If you follow the link bellow the photo, you can see more high resolution photos.
Gravity Control Apparatus
• Alfie as well introduced Smith to caduceus coils. Smith made some and successfully communicated with Alfie's spaceship. Caduceus coils were producing controversial faster than light longitudinal EM waves, that Tesla predicted and Lord Kelvin wrote paper about and prof. Dr. Constantin Meyl used to re-write Maxwell's equations.
Smiths designs for caduceus coils
Huh, I’d never heard about “Alfie” before. There’s some fun stuff in there, but it’s all anecdotal. I’d want to see a scientific paper about any of these effects before placing any confidence in them; it’s very easy to mistake experimental error for a legitimate effect without a very careful and thorough analysis of the data and the appropriate experimental controls.
The Dogon’s met with many of Sirian-amphibious beings and learned agriculture, mathematics, celestial phenomenology etc duly recorded in the Dogon traditions.
The Dogon’s have referred to this physicalized race as the Nommos, but actually this is two words. First, the name they Sirian (A)s call themselves in their own civilization is the ‘OS’, and when they originally introduced themselves to the Dogons they said "Nomm-Os" or ‘I am OS’. This information is very similar, but slightly more detailed, than The Science of the Dogon: Decoding the African Mystery Tradition by Laird Scranton and John Anthony West.
That’s great – I’ve been interested in the Dogon tribe for quite awhile, but I’ve never seen a citation for a follow-up. Thank you.
Re: Daniel Fry's "Atom, Galaxies and Understanding" which you can find here.
This is one paragraph on pages 26-28, where Fry explains how atoms work.
On the Pages 26-28, Fry says:
".... We can readily see that, whatever the relative strengths of the two fields to begin with, there will be a distance at which the attraction of the gravitational field will be exactly balanced by the repulsion of the electrical field. We will call this the 'critical distance'. We cannot call it the stable distance because the atoms would not actually stop at this point. In falling together, the atoms would have acquired momentum, and this momentum would carry them inward to a point where the repulsion was greater than the attraction. Then the atoms would"
Well, Fry was a smart guy, there is no doubt about that. But with a great amount of certainty we know that the gravitational field is 10^-31 weaker than EM fields and that on the atomic scale gravitational field can be neglected to very high degree. That's why for more than 100 years the best brains we have were not able to quantize gravity. So the model of atom that Fry is using is simply not right, unless it is for some kind of pedagogical value.
I tend to agree with this, but on the other hand, we don’t have an explicit mechanistic understanding of how mass-energy produces gravitation. And given the dark matter and dark energy phenomena, it looks like general relativity has failed. I love it – it’s an amazing and beautiful theory, but it’s not the last word on gravity.
We expect that all fields will ultimately be explained by a grand unified theory of quantum fields. If that’s true, then gravity and the strong force are related – just as all of the other fields are related as well. And until we can explicitly define the nature of that relationship, we can’t with any confidence state that A.) the nuclear strong force and gravitation aren’t two aspects of a single and more fundamental field, or B.) that Fry’s description is wrong. We can say that it’s at odds with *our current understanding of gravitation and the nuclear strong force.* But that’s not saying much, because we know that our understanding of physics is incomplete at a deep theoretical level.
On the page 74, Fry said:
"In July 1958. Party Noon, of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and Domina Eberle Spencer of the University of Connecticut, published an excellent paper in the Journal of the Franklin Institute, titled "The Cosmological Principle and the Cosmological Constant." This paper demonstrates, logically and mathematically, that the assumption of a positive gravitational force within galaxies or galactic clusters, and a negative gravitational force between the clusters, offers the only practical means of explaining the observed actions of these bodies.
In the January 1959 issue of the magazine "Astronautics', Fritz Zwicky of the California Institute of Technology, published an article headed, “Is Newton's Law of Gravitation Really Universal?" In this article Zwicky pointed out that present observations indicate rather conclusively that the gravitational fields of the galactic clusters reach zero value between the dusters."
So Fry himself said that he read about the expansion of universe in an scientific paper published in 1958. That means that scientific community was aware of the expansion of universe/negative gravity since 1958/59, not from 1998. Most likely Fry wasn't quoting his alien, the Alan, but the science of the time.
Haha – that’s a really nice try, but here’s the problem: those ideas were completely rejected by the science of the time. That’s why astrophysicists all over the world had to grab their ankles when “dark energy” was proven in 1998 – and they’re still shocked and bewildered by it. In fact, they’re *still* so convinced that gravitation doesn’t have a negative polarity, that they’re entertaining literally any idea that could explain the dark energy effect without having to seriously entertain the notion that gravitation becomes repulsive at cosmic scales – which is what Fry was explicitly stating.
Fritz Zwicky was so far ahead of his time that it’s genuinely mind-boggling, and Parry Moon was right there with him on this. I’ve read both of those papers, and they’re brilliant. But like I said, everyone wrote them off as eccentric kooks at the time for making that argument. Except Daniel Fry, and perhaps a few others. So the question is: how did Daniel Fry know that they were right, fifty years before the rest of the academic science community caught up with them?
One fact that recently emerged from my reading, is that Fritz Zwicky consulted with Aerojet. Daniel Fry worked on Aerojet rockets. So maybe they knew each other, and maybe Zwicky talked to him about this idea. But even if he did, how did Daniel Fry know that he was right, when all of top astrophysicists on the planet simply assumed that he’d made an analytical error? That’s a haunting question, and one that I’m hard-pressed to explain.
This brings up an interesting thought that I keep running into while studying Daniel Fry’s story: perhaps A-lan’s people have a kind of “Prime Directive” that allows them to share scientific knowledge only within the confines of a given civilization’s existing knowledge, to avoid any catastrophic contamination of their natural scientific and technological evolution. So they could scour the existing scientific knowledge of a civilization like ours, and simply present key features of that knowledge in a manner that inspired progress in the right direction, but without directing interfering by contributing new knowledge. Consider this: if A-lan had given Daniel Fry explicit instruction on the construction and the operating principles of a gravitational field propulsion mechanism, then how might the Cuban missile crisis have played out? If the US had the ability to deliver nuclear warheads over every Russian city before they could respond, we might’ve chosen to attack, and triggered a nuclear winter that would’ve wiped out human civilization. And it would’ve been A-lan’s fault. Just something I muse upon, when I’m inclined to suspend my disbelief and earnestly consider the resulting implications of his story.
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