David, The ET Theory?

[Hoffmeister]

Ok so i was just listening to the roundtable episode with Nick Redfern, Mac Tonnies and Jeff, and they were all talking about the ET theory, whether its outdated, whether we should instead be looking for inter-dimensional beings, and whether all the theories are mutually exclusive.

I think it has been brought up a number of times on the paracast that the beings might not be from another planet, but instead from another dimension, but they WANT us to think they are from another planet.

Here's one thing i dont understand about that theory though. If they are from another dimension, then they still seem to have craft that can basically move at any speed they want, and therefore would be able to get to any other planet anyway.
Not only that, but if they could travel to any planet, then the probability of them being from another planet instead of earth (but in another dimension) would be extremely high.
This would surely mean that they are ET's anyway, and whether they are inter-dimensional or not doesn't really change things at all (at least for the purposes that we know them).

Therefore, I can see how UFO's can be ET's
I can see how they can be ET's and ID's (inter dimensionals)
But i dont see how they can be just ID's, unless there is also ET's whizzing round in the sky, and there are ID's just trying to piggy back on the back of that. But al the actual UFO's would seem to be ET's.

Can David or anyone else help me to out here, i don't think i understand?

 

[Bixyboo]

I personally think that there could be ALL those types of ET's:

Other planet ET's that are humans (and/or very humanoid).
Other planet ET's that are NOT human AT ALL. (Greys, etc.).
Interdimensional beings that are humans
Interdimensional beings that are NOT human AT ALL.

And so on.

Just my take....

 

[Ally]

If I am uderstanding your question here is my thought on it. I think they could just be "ID's", their craft has interstellar abilities and they might just visit other planets and star systems with them but are native to earth.

 

[Hoffmeister]

If I am uderstanding your question here is my thought on it. I think they could just be "ID's", their craft has interstellar abilities and they might just visit other planets and star systems with them but are native to earth.

Yeah thats a possibility for sure. But surely if they had the ability to get to any planet, then its equally likely that they are from any planet. And since there are billions of planets outside of earth, the chance of them being from earth are surely billions (or hundreds of billions) to one. therefore they would be ET's anyway!

Its kind of like the simulated reality theory whereby humans learn to create exact replicas of the world on computers in the future. They would presumably create lots of these worlds, and it would therefore be more likely that we are living in one of these simulated worlds than the actual one.

Mind boggling!

 

[Ally]

Well alot of people think humans orignated from other star systems too. If these being can simulate realites that would explain a few things too. At this point, at least for me I really don't care where "they" are from as much why they are interacting with us in the manner that they are.

If they are natives and are living in another dimension or reality with us maybe WE bother them just as much or maybe more. Why are they so concerned or at least appear to be concerned about our nuclear weapons?

When we sleep or enter another state of consciousness/awarness maybe this is partly where they live mentally. It appears they use symbology and imagery/dreams to convey some messages. Where I am going with this I have no idea. I will try to get back to my original thought process that has just left me.

 

[Hoffmeister]

Well alot of people think humans orignated from other star systems too. If these being can simulate realites that would explain a few things too. At this point, at least for me I really don't care where "they" are from as much why they are interacting with us in the manner that they are.

If they are natives and are living in another dimension or reality with us maybe WE bother them just as much or maybe more. Why are they so concerned or at least appear to be concerned about our nuclear weapons?

When we sleep or enter another state of consciousness/awarness maybe this is partly where they live mentally. It appears they use symbology and imagery/dreams to convey some messages. Where I am going with this I have no idea. I will try to get back to my original thought process that has just left me.

hehe yep thats what i keep doing! Thinking about 1 subject, then going off on tangents, and wondering how i ended up thinking about something completely different.
All i am trying to question here, is why the paracast often keeps coming back to the topic of whether they are ET's or ID's, if there is a difference, and if there actually makes any difference!

 

[skunkape]

I hate the term "inter-dimensional", although it does get a certain idea across. It seems to me like these things are in the same dimensions we inhabit, but exist in a material form we have yet to comprehend. It may be possible that information can organize into consciousness in a medium other than atomic matter. They may not be travelling distances or dimensions, but applying some technology to change the state of matter they are 'sympathetic' to. This may all be kookery. I don't have any degrees. Just trying to make sense of things I've experienced. For what it's worth, I've been told by a big bug that I was the alien on this planet.

 

[0uterj0in]

All i am trying to question here, is why the paracast often keeps coming back to the topic of whether they are ET's or ID's, if there is a difference, and if there actually makes any difference!

I'm with you on this. Although to me the difference between ET & ID is trivial. Bottom line is they ain't from around these parts.

 

[Bixyboo]

If they are natives and are living in another dimension or reality with us maybe WE bother them just as much or maybe more.

When we sleep or enter another state of consciousness/awarness maybe this is partly where they live mentally. It appears they use symbology and imagery/dreams to convey some messages. Where I am going with this I have no idea. I will try to get back to my original thought process that has just left me.

This reminds me of 'The Others' scenario. And I've in fact said a bit impishly to my husband before:

Hey, what if it's JUST like 'The Others' and WE are dead...and don't KNOW it?

lol.

 

[Hoffmeister]

I hate the term "inter-dimensional"quote]

Me too, i really hate it.
Looking at Stan Friedman, he is often bashed for trying to relate the paranormal too much to what we know. i.e. UFO's working on nuclear power (which i think is ridiculous), and poo-pooing the idea of UFO's being anything other than interplanetary craft. Now i have a lot of disagreements with Friedmans theories, although I think the guy is great, but i agree with him on this front.
the reaon is that atleast we know that there are other planets... atleast that is some sort of science, and some sort of reality.
As for 'another dimension'... what is a dimension? Where is the proof that other dimensions even exist. We are placing one highly debateable theory (ufo's) on top of another (dimensions).
Random UFOlogists often try and use string theory to help explain other dimensions, but from what I know about string theory it doesnt cut the mustard. String theory from what i know was used to unify the differences between physics and quantum physics. The extra dimensions only work at the quantum (minute scale) level, and it doesnt fit the theories often used in ufology. The extra dimensions arent some 'otherworld' like some sort of paranormal universe.

 

[Ally]

I hate the term "inter-dimensional", although it does get a certain idea across. It seems to me like these things are in the same dimensions we inhabit, but exist in a material form we have yet to comprehend. It may be possible that information can organize into consciousness in a medium other than atomic matter. They may not be travelling distances or dimensions, but applying some technology to change the state of matter they are 'sympathetic' to. This may all be kookery. I don't have any degrees. Just trying to make sense of things I've experienced. For what it's worth, I've been told by a big bug that I was the alien on this planet.

Your theory reminds me of the movie Dark City a must see movie if you havne't already.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118929/

 

[mikec]

The strange thing is that there is actually no PROOF of these things being from out in space. Now, "they" very well may be from out there in space somewhere. It is a very simple conclusion, right?

But - If the researcher (or experiencer) states emphatically that they ARE from outer-space, they are immediately limiting themselves. We are dealing with something, but WHAT?

To me, the details of the UFO phenomenon are simply TOO weird to fit into the ETH box. I feel like something much stranger is happening.

Where are ghosts from?

Where is somebody's spirit guide from?

When something synchronistic happens, where was it originated?

 

[Kieran]

I think all theorys are valid until we get answers? I rather think E.T craft are like the star trek enterprise lol, zipping around from planet to planet.
What was the power source, or drive the enterprise used? i cant remember guys lol.

Anyway sometimes i think, not believe, lol, that ufos have the same propulation system as the enterprise?
Remember how the enterprise was suddenly at a stand still in space Captian picard issue's the orders to enter hyper drive or something, then suddenly all of a sudden all you see was this flash, then suddenly it reappeared thousand or hundreds of thousand of miles away with barely anytime gone.

Klingon were able to cloak there craft or make there ships invisible at any time.... Omg the ufos we see may be the klingons lol Anyway silly nonsense on my part

 

[Ally]

I think all theorys are valid until we get answers? I rather think E.T craft are like the star trek enterprise lol, zipping around from planet to planet.
What was the power source, or drive the enterprise used? i cant remember guys lol.

Anyway sometimes i think, not believe, lol, that ufos have the same propulation system as the enterprise?
Remember how the enterprise was suddenly at a stand still in space Captian picard issue's the orders to enter hyper drive or something, then suddenly all of a sudden all you see was this flash, then suddenly it reappeared thousand or hundreds of thousand of miles away with barely anytime gone.

Klingon were able to cloak there craft or make there ships invisible at any time.... Omg the ufos we see may be the klingons lol Anyway silly nonsense on my part

TREKYYY!!!! Sorry but as much as I loved Star Trek it is way too conventional to explain the UFO phenomena.

 

[Kieran]

I am going through old episodes that i have missed just to catch up. I Listened to david story for a second time where he talked about the craft over venezuela just to get a better understand, listening to it once, doesnt do it justice. it really is a amazeing case, and i hope he finds information that he needs.

Just a question when a opening appeared on the craft you observed discs come out of the opening. Your brother observed lights not discs. that formed into a formation and vanished.Have you ever thought about this at all?and why yer observations of the event where different?

 

[Kieran]

TREKYYY!!!! Sorry but as much as I loved Star Trek it is way too conventional to explain the UFO phenomena.

Of course it doesnt explain the ufo phenomena, i never siad it did, lol, Star trek is conventional? i dont no about that to be honest, it only a bit of fun.

 

[Ally]

I was also only having fun screaming treky at you. Maybe conventinal wasn't the exact word I was looking for. I think a better word would be world view. Think about some of the episodes where the aliens spoke English or had a universal translator. The Star Tek crew had the same type of hieraechy system as we do in our military and so did most of the aliens. when they would land on a planet they were always able, at least that is what I remember, to breath the air and handle the environment.

And talk about getting off topic... kind of.

 

[Gareth]

This reminds me of a super frustrating conversation I had with a friend yesterday about UFOs. Hes usually a pretty smart guy but some of this shit he was saying was just bizarre.

I basically said do you think there is a reality to the situation? He said yes and I agreed with him. Then hed go on this tirade about it cant be possible as it render our(humans) current maths ideas useless. I said so you think were the smartest possible expression of life? He couldnt get his head around that just because we have some theories and ideas about physics, that we dont know it all.

We just kept going round and round, from me forcing him to admit theres a reality to the situation, then him saying but it cant be possible because of the maths involved. (to make matters worse I couldnt even get him to lock down for me the context of his mathematical problem, whether it was the crazy manoeuvres of craft or the possibility of travel from another star system).

He couldnt accept the idea that intelligent life that is millions of years ahead of us would have more of a grasp on physics/maths etc. Then he was going on about how he doesnt believe theres life at all due to the ridiculous amount of randoms involved (proximity to sun etc). Dude doesnt seem to understand that universe = BIG.

And when I refused to speculate on where the craft operators are coming from hed get all pissy. I knew anything I said hed just shoot dont which is why I didnt.

Anyway, whats the point? People are annoying. Im hoping he was stoned, which he very well might have been. Super frustrating as I thought I could have a proper discussion, especially sinced I lent him some credible UFO books.

 

[dusty]

Its kind of like the simulated reality theory whereby humans learn to create exact replicas of the world on computers in the future. They would presumably create lots of these worlds, and it would therefore be more likely that we are living in one of these simulated worlds than the actual one.

Mind boggling!

You might have something there Hof,

I sometimes think that if some of our visitors are from other dimensions,
that they would have to find a way of interacting with matter within our limited four. Very much like the way we do when playing video games.

Mark

 

[skunkape]

I hate the term "inter-dimensional", although it does get a certain idea across. It seems to me like these things are in the same dimensions we inhabit, but exist in a material form we have yet to comprehend. It may be possible that information can organize into consciousness in a medium other than atomic matter. They may not be travelling distances or dimensions, but applying some technology to change the state of matter they are 'sympathetic' to.

Here is some speculation that more complex dark matter may exist forming dark matter atoms with their own chemistry – and maybe biology.


Dark matter may shine with invisible 'dark light' - space - 31 October 2008 - New Scientist Space