dead terrorist

[Jose Collado]

Whoa...touchy feely? As apposed to what exactly?

You found it funny. Great. Others didn't. Time to wake up to the fact you're part of a global population. It's a big world we live in...apparently.

The only thing missing from this comedy masterpiece is a drum roll and some canned laughter

 

[DamnDirtyApe]

You found it funny. Great. Others didn't.

EXACTLY my point. No need to apologize for anything.

Biedny offends me almost every show - but at least I respect the fact that he stands by what he says, even if I think he's full of it. He does not ask for forgiveness at the drop of a hat whenever a delicate soul like me is offended.

Either you found it funny or you didn't. No.. I take that back.. there IS a need to apologize to me becuase you just offended me by the tone of your post. I find your views offensive Jose.

See how silly it gets?

Time to wake up to the fact you're part of a global population.

Time to wake up to the fact that being part of a "global population" has nothing to do with the original post.

 

[mike]

LOL
ok i apoligise to those that didnt get a chuckle out of it, and those offended by said apoligie

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once again frank the pug at his subliminal best complete with anal probe.......................

 

[DamnDirtyApe]

LOL
ok i apoligise to those that didnt get a chuckle out of it, and those offended by said apoligie

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once again frank the pug at his subliminal best complete with anal probe.......................

It's ok Mike.. just remember that next time you have to post something slamming Bush or Cheney and then you won't hear a peep out of anyone about how offended they at white American racial stereotypes blah blah blah. Political Correctness can't hurt you if you only make fun of white guys or Christians.

 

[Jose Collado]

You found it funny. Great. Others didn't.

EXACTLY my point. No need to apologize for anything.

Biedny offends me almost every show - but at least I respect the fact that he stands by what he says, even if I think he's full of it. He does not ask for forgiveness at the drop of a hat whenever a delicate soul like me is offended.

Either you found it funny or you didn't. No.. I take that back.. there IS a need to apologize to me becuase you just offended me by the tone of your post. I find your views offensive Jose.

See how silly it gets?

Time to wake up to the fact you're part of a global population.

Time to wake up to the fact that being part of a "global population" has nothing to do with the original post.

Yes...silly indeed. Estrogen levels, knitting, yoga and PC have nothing to do with ANY of the posts. No one has asked for an apology. I really don't care if people find this funny or not as I indicated. This has nothing to do with being politically correct or high estrogen levels. It has nothing to do with watching all 4 Rambo movies back to back and drinking beer either.

This has obviously struck a nerve with a few people so how about burying the hatchet at this stage.

I find ginger cats offensive

 

[mike]

I find ginger cats offensive

Then For Eff Eff Effity Effs sake, DONT watch very funny cats part 8

(those wanting to see a ufo shaped like a cat set fire to some poor earthmans shoes with a laser should do so though)

 

[schticknz]

Whoa...touchy feely? As apposed to what exactly?

You found it funny. Great. Others didn't. Time to wake up to the fact you're part of a global population. It's a big world we live in...apparently.

Never thought I would ever be called "touchy feely". Blimey. I have a sense of humour as dark as pitch. I can see humour in death, famine, and disease, infirmity, pestilience ... the list goes on and on.

I see bucket fulls of irony where other people see zip, zilch, nil, nada, zero.

I'm so un-PC I'll say that Apple Macintoshes are a pile of crap (which they are my friends ), and that I prefer Windows over Linux any day of the week.

But ... I have over the last few years (well since 9/11 actually) been more aware of the way that people have been bashing arabs and getting away with it. Its apparently ok to take the pi55 (thats for ZX81 users) out of arabs, and make them out to be stupid, or extremist, or greasy or criminal in some way. Its becoming the new anti-semitism in my opinion ... and we're talking kosher (if I'm allowed to use that terminology) anti-semitism ... not anti-zionism or anti-israeli-ism ... I hear the groans from here all the way down here at the bottom of the world, from people with closed eyes and ears.

Do you remember all those terrible Chuck Norris films from the 80s?? Who were the baddies? ... Arabs (remember them trying to take over the world in the 70s and 80s by hijacking planes and thats about it really ...).

Now that the Soviet Union has collapsed we again need a new set of swarthy baddies to get scared of ... and if it ain't those pesky ay-rabs again. My god with their nuclear powered towels on their heads they could take over the world. Interesting though how that Iran has not invaded a country for over a thousand years.

The same can not be said of the US or Israel or the UK or Germany or ... any of those civilised countries of course.

Oh and remember who "invented" mathematics and astronomy??? Nooo ... Catholics??? Nooo ... Jews??? ... No guess again ... Americans???? Noooo ... the Brits ... Nope ... not the French or the Germans or the Protestants ... its was the ... my god ... peoples of the Arabic persuasion.

Mike ... I've got no argument with you about this, and I think that this has not turned out how you thought it would somehow . Sometimes things snowball for no apparent reason. Humans are an odd bunch, and you can never predict things when you throw them in the mix. I do have though a bone to pick with those who think that un-PC also equals overt racism ... and thats what I think that guys act leans more towards.

Jose ... I think we may be of a similar mind ... although I was brought up in pretty Middle Class British circumstances. However, I've always tried to fight against hypocrisy, inconsistent thinking, platitudes and shabby thinking masking itself as "un-PC". I loathe PC thinking as it restricts thinking, and somehow seems a way of plastering over cracks without getting to the heart of a problem i.e whats causing the cracks in the first place.

Anyway, I'm going to go now and have a little lie down and rest my touchy feely self and then when I've rested start work again on my selective neutron bomb ... I think it may be needed more than ever at the moment

schtick ... who lightened up once ... and then decided that life was too short to be stupid all the time.

 

[grannysmith]

Anti-pc is the new pc (telling people they're just being pc as a substitute for debate about the issues) :hmm, yes, you can really see the effects of pc 'discrimination' on the lives of powerful oligarchs like dubya.

Doesn't everybody appreciate that critique of power is different to mocking those who are - in social structural terms - historically, victims of the exercise of power (racism, sexism, imperialism)?

But, hey, Mike, no worries for posting : but the whole point is that we are allowed to comment on the video and its ethical propriety (free speech, after all, doesn't mean that everything that can be said has to be said : so it is legitimate for people to debate the ethical propriety of what is said : whether it peddles unhelpful stereotypes etc.) without being lazily labelled 'pc':.

 

[CapnG]

I find this notion of being offended on the behalf of others odd. And I have a friend who's muslim and he thought this bit was hysterical.

You guys are just prejudiced... against puppets.

 

[grannysmith]

I find this notion of being offended on the behalf of others odd. And I have a friend who's muslim and he thought this bit was hysterical.

You guys are just prejudiced... against puppets.

How do you know I'm not muslim?8)

 

[CapnG]

How do you know I'm not muslim?8)

In point of fact I don't but if you are in fact muslim (or arab because, believe it or not, I know there's a difference) it simply goes to further support what I said earlier, namely that humour is a personal thing. To try and lambaste humour as being "offensive" to a certain group by others is stupid. It's either personally offensive or it's not. Even if a group of people find it offensive, they're still all finding it so on a personal, individual level. Same for those of us who find it funny.

Now, I can appreciate how one could take the stance that since the people in some muslim and arab nations feel oppressed and lack the where-with-all to respond appropriately are forced out of desperation to resort to terroism. Obviously making light of their problems in a real world context would be considered poor taste.

On the other hand, I can also appreciate that this a PUPPET being used to make fun of a percieved enemy, who's extremist, radical philosophy falls well outside the norms of Islam and who's beliefs and actions are just plain crazy (suicide bombings, virgin paradise, etc). That this enemy represents an intractable foe and a continous threat (thanks to Bushco and their war drums) and that the greater public might need some relief from that, a target for mockery, as John Cleese puts it "a socially sanctioned critique of rigid behaviour" ie something everyone can laugh at.

Dunham is not mocking Islam, he's not mocking the deaths of Iraqis or US soldiers. He does not, in fact, have the corpse of a terrorist on stage with him, he has a PUPPET and he's making JOKES.

Incidently, I have never cared for political correctness, having always preferred political accuracy; call it like it is, not how it should be.

 

[grannysmith]

Hold on - let's recap : you assumed that everyone who found this clip offensive were taking offense on behalf of 'others' (let's laugh at the 'other') and claim to have a muslim friend who finds the clip funny (presumably, as the 'target' of the 'joke' : otherwise why is his opinion relevant as he would otherwise be just another non-'other'?), then you claim the clip is not mocking Islam at all. Seriously, wtf?

It's your logic that's screwy here : it wasn't me that mentioned muslims.

 

[CapnG]

Hold on - let's recap : you assumed that everyone who found this clip offensive were taking offense on behalf of 'others' (let's laugh at the 'other')

I'm not assuming, it's fairly evident that that is the trend of the complaints in this thread. Try and keep up.

claim to have a muslim friend who finds the clip funny (presumably as the 'target' of the joke : otherwise why is his opinion relevant as he would otherwise be just another non-'other'?)

Excuse me? I don't "claim" to have a muslim friend, I have one. What's with the attitude? And he found it funny. That's the beginning and end of that report.

then you claim the clip is not mocking Islam at all.

Not as a religion, no. As the excuse used as a crutch by extremists to prop up their twisted world view, perhaps. I can see that those would be different commentaries, can't you?

Seriously, wtf?

Indeed!

It's your logic that's screwy here : it wasn't me that mentioned muslims.

That's true, you never... oh wait...

How do you know I'm not muslim?

So, um, what were you saying?

 

[grannysmith]

Hold on - let's recap : you assumed that everyone who found this clip offensive were taking offense on behalf of 'others' (let's laugh at the 'other')

I'm not assuming, it's fairly evident that that is the trend of the complaints in this thread. Try and keep up.

claim to have a muslim friend who finds the clip funny (presumably as the 'target' of the joke : otherwise why is his opinion relevant as he would otherwise be just another non-'other'?)

Excuse me? I don't "claim" to have a muslim friend, I have one. What's with the attitude? And he found it funny. That's the beginning and end of that report.

then you claim the clip is not mocking Islam at all.

Not as a religion, no. As the excuse used as a crutch by extremists to prop up their twisted world view, perhaps. I can see that those would be different commentaries, can't you?

Seriously, wtf?

Indeed!

It's your logic that's screwy here : it wasn't me that mentioned muslims.

That's true, you never... oh wait...

How do you know I'm not muslim?

So, um, what were you saying?

I need to keep up? Lordy, it was you that claimed a muslim friend as evidence for the 'kosherness' of the clip after claiming none of the questioners in this thread were, themselves, muslim.

As far as I'm concerned your 'claim' to have a muslim friend is just that : a claim.

Yes, you did assume things about posters (being simply 'pc', not being 'muslim' etc. etc) based on, oops.... stereotypical attitudes?

Op clip, not having a pop at Islam? : I repeat, then, why is your - claimed - muslim friend (anyone can read back for the first mention of 'muslim', which was yours) relevant as a corrective to those who take offense on behalf of 'others'? Why was his hilarity, or otherwise, seen by you as relevant?

 

[DamnDirtyApe]

I find this notion of being offended on the behalf of others odd. And I have a friend who's muslim and he thought this bit was hysterical.

You guys are just prejudiced... against puppets.

I thought it was being prejudiced against skeletons? Perhaps it's both?

 

[grannysmith]

I thought it was being prejudiced against skeletons? Perhaps it's both?

Serious point here : don't you think that 'dead' (skeleton) terrorist meant that there needed to be no 'problems' over its skin colour (a simple way to avoid 'puppetry racism' - though only on that naffest level, natch).

Hey, the puppet dude's progressive : we're all the same underneath8) (except those with towels on their heads say "silence .... I keell you", obviously:).

 

[schticknz]

I find this notion of being offended on the behalf of others odd. And I have a friend who's muslim and he thought this bit was hysterical.

You guys are just prejudiced... against puppets.

I thought it was being prejudiced against skeletons? Perhaps it's both?

Unfortunately he stopped being a just a skeleton as soon as you saw his head garment. He then became either ...

(a) a skeleton with a fetish for strange head gear
(b) a skeleton of a person who had died in a hideous towel factory accident, and nobody noticed
(c) an alien towel from beyond the stars that is reanimating a dead person (who just happens now to be a skeleton) for mobility
...

but as soon as the voice appeared, he became more than that. Regardless of whether or not the guy was meaning to be racist or not, it became racist since it identified the "terrorist" as coming from a particular culture and/or race.

Oh and here's some other comments ...

How come the skeleton can speak English? ... hmmm ... the funny Arab person seems to have learnt English at some time and can speak at least 2 languages. Notice the "interviewer" couldn't even be bothered to speak to him through an interpreter. Lazy, cheap journalism I call it.

And how come he can talk to the terrorist anyway, has this guy used necromancy or some other sort of evil black magic to raise this poor dead guy from the grave?

Oh and how did the terrorist die anyway? Who proclaimed him a terrorist, and where did he die? Guantanamo??? ... he seems to have most of his anatomy intact ... so did he die through "rendition" or what??

Many questions I feel will be left unanswered ... still you gotta larf haven't ya?

 

[grannysmith]

Would a reanimated 9/11 victim be funny? ('hey, I f*ckin' jumpa from da buildin', see, mo fo') or a holocaust victim?

Hey, as Brian Conley used to say : "it's (only) a Puppe-e-e-et".

 

[DamnDirtyApe]

Would a reanimated 9/11 victim be funny? ('hey, I f*ckin' jumpa from da buildin', see, mo fo') or a holocaust victim?

Hey, as Brian Conley used to say : "it's (only) a Puppe-e-e-et".

You are comparing a 9/11 or Holocaust victim to a dead TERRORIST, regardless of race?

uh.. ok..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_equivalence

 

[schticknz]

Would a reanimated 9/11 victim be funny? ('hey, I f*ckin' jumpa from da buildin', see, mo fo') or a holocaust victim?

Hey, as Brian Conley used to say : "it's (only) a Puppe-e-e-et".

Do you mean Brian Conley as in the British 'entertainer', Brian Conley?? ... blimey ... we Brits bring out some low-rent people sometimes, don't we??

Point in fact ... Bernard Manning ... and for those who don't know who Bernard Manning is ... you have been warned:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Manning

Think I'll go and have a shower now

(god I can hear him now ... "a paki, a jew and a n*gger all went into a restaurant" ... jesus I pity all them poor chairs ... now I'm not saying Bernard Manning was fat, BUT ... he was really really really FAT ... aww gawd, i'm being obese-ist now ... bugger me ... no thanks I've just shagged the wife ... hey I saw one of them queer blokes once ... blimey ... what a poofter ... now I'm not saying I'm homophobic but some of my best friends are shirt-lifters although I still never go into a shower without locking the door first ... arrggghh I'm channelling Bernard Manning ... noooooooo )