DMT: Encountering Entities

[Gareth]

One of my greatest hopes is that when we do actually get a chance to reverse engineer alien technology maybe we will work out a way to search for words that have less that 4 letters:shy: So, sorry if this has been discussed many times before.

Anyway I was wandering if anyone knows about or has even tried the drug DMT (its a psychedelic tryptamine)? I remember reading about this a few years ago and compared to any other drug users often had very similar experiences. Most psychedelic substances cause the user to 'trip' but DMT seemed to allow the user to come into contact with some sort of entities.

The fact that this was a persistent and predictable experience always intrigued me.

DMT (dimethyltryptamine) is the most powerful and fast-acting of the tryptamine class of hallucinogens. After smoking DMT users regularly report fantastic trips to other dimensions and conversations with intelligent alien life forms. Meyer outlines DMT usage, pharmacology, mythology and occult application, including shamanic uses. He also presents fascinating anecdotal material regarding DMT "alien contact." Materials from DMT researchers Terence McKenna, Gracie and Zarkov, and dozens of other correspondences are included, providing clues to deciphering the DMT "hyperspace" state.

It would be great if anyone has anything to say about this drug. Anyone tried it, or know anyone who has tried it?

There is much info here @ Erowid:

Erowid DMT vault

An experience

 

[CapnG]

*paging BrandonD... BrandonD there's a call for you in Cryptozoology...

 

[Ally]

There is an older thread that I am reading now on this forum called Sparks,DMT, Strassman, Strieber and Entities under UFO contactee's you might want to check out.

BTW it is on page five.

 

[BrandonD]

It would be great if anyone has anything to say about this drug. Anyone tried it, or know anyone who has tried it?

I've taken it in Peru (in the form of ayahuasca) w/ a shaman several times. It's a life-altering sort of experience, but too long to completely describe from scratch. I brought along a journal and filled many pages of it trying to describe my experiences.

But any details you'd like to know about it, ask away.

 

[BrandonD]

*paging BrandonD... BrandonD there's a call for you in Cryptozoology...

I must've heard you on the loudspeaker, I rarely check the Crypto section of the forums.

 

[Gareth]

It would be great if anyone has anything to say about this drug. Anyone tried it, or know anyone who has tried it?

I've taken it in Peru (in the form of ayahuasca) w/ a shaman several times. It's a life-altering sort of experience, but too long to completely describe from scratch. I brought along a journal and filled many pages of it trying to describe my experiences.

But any details you'd like to know about it, ask away.

1. Have you tried any other hallucinogens? If so just how different - or unique - was the DMT experience?

2. Without going into too much detail: what exactly did you experience?

3. If you took DMT more than once did you note any recurrence or consistency of the 'trip'? If so was there some element of predictability as far as your experience with each ingestion of the drug?

4. If you encountered the 'entities' reported in so many DMT experiences did you get any indication of who or what they were? Do you believe them to be 'real'? (not just a hallucination). Did you communicate with them?

I think thats probably enough for now! Thanks.

 

[dorkbot]

If you haven't already read it, I highly recommend you look at DMT: The Spirit Molecule by Rick Strassman. Looks like they are making a documentary about the book as well.

It contains a good number of user reports from a controlled environment with known and varying dosage levels of pharmaceutical DMT administered via intravenous injection.

 

[BrandonD]

1. Have you tried any other hallucinogens? If so just how different - or unique - was the DMT experience?

2. Without going into too much detail: what exactly did you experience?

3. If you took DMT more than once did you note any recurrence or consistency of the 'trip'? If so was there some element of predictability as far as your experience with each ingestion of the drug?

4. If you encountered the 'entities' reported in so many DMT experiences did you get any indication of who or what they were? Do you believe them to be 'real'? (not just a hallucination). Did you communicate with them?

Interesting questions, here goes...

1. As a forewarning, there are gonna be tons of people who tell you things about psychedelics, some good and some bad. You should really only bother listening to people who have been there. People who talk about it without ever experiencing it are really like a bunch of guys in a chat room talking about what being in love is like, though none of them have ever actually been in love. Some would say it's great, some would say it's shit, but it's really all just imagination because some things can only be known by experiencing them first-hand.

DMT was the first psychedelic I tried, but I've tried LSD and Salvia since then. They are definitely different from one another, but still related. I'd compare it to different species of the same type of animal.

DMT is the most intense, in my opinion.

In my experience, there is something that all these substances have in common. It is related to the fact that there are things in the ordinary world that I've never questioned, that I just assume to be solid and true and black-and-white. Psychedelics show just how wrong I am, and depending on how well I take this information it will be an ecstatic or a terrifying ride.

2. In an older thread, I've described some of my experiences that you might be interested in:

http://theparacast.com/forums/alternate-realities-t-910.html

There were many experiences but I specifically mention the ones with multiple witnesses, because they'd probably be more interesting from an outside observer's point of view.

3. That is one of the most interesting things about not just DMT, but psychedelics in general. There are some vague similarities, but by and large each experience is very different. In fact, in the second ceremony nothing happened at all! I just lied there for 5 or 6 hours wondering why nothing was happening. And then in the very next ceremony I had the most terrifying experience of my life.

This reminds me of a Castaneda quote: "The secret of the sorcerer is that he knows how to get to the nagual, but once he gets there, your guess is as good as his as to what takes place."

4. I communicated with an entity that apparently lived in a symbiotic relationship with my body. Our thoughts and emotions were entangled somehow, but I recognized it as not me. I also recognized that the shaman was trying to "exorcise" this entity out of my body, because it was feeding off of me in some way.

I don't believe that the entity was real, and I don't believe that the entity was imaginary. I don't see any way to verify either of those positions, so I think it's better not to take a position. All I can say is that it appeared to be real.

My experience did not involve snakes or any of the typical DMT creatures that you hear about.

 

[Gareth]

Interesting stuff.... thanks BrandonD.

Reading your experience in the other thread - I find it interesting that you had never had a drug before this experience.

-edit- just read the rest of the thread. No need to comment.

 

[Ally]

I just read your other thread and WOW.

Do you know if people ever get flashbacks from taking DMT?

Also what kind of preparations, if any, were you and the group taught about in case of a for lack of a better word " "bad trip"? Are the Shamans able or willing to pull somebody out of a negative experience for example?

 

[Gareth]

I have some follow up questions from your experience in the other thread (if you feel like answering):

1. Were you the only person in the group that experienced the presence of an 'entity' within?

2. Did you have any awareness of the entity in the subsequent trips? how about when sober?

3. Did the shaman indicate concern at this, or was it just another day at work?

 

[BrandonD]

I have some follow up questions from your experience in the other thread (if you feel like answering):

1. Were you the only person in the group that experienced the presence of an 'entity' within?

2. Did you have any awareness of the entity in the subsequent trips? how about when sober?

3. Did the shaman indicate concern at this, or was it just another day at work?

There is really sooooo much stuff to this shaman trip, I wish I could just download the whole thing to other peoples' heads. But answering these questions is at least a start...

1. Actually many of these people had the experience of entities inside them. And many times when they threw up, they saw the entities leave their bodies.

I only threw up once during the entire time in Peru, and strangely enough it was during the third ceremony when I sensed this entity and felt that the shaman was trying to get it out.

I remember an older woman nearby (about 60) saying that when she vomited she saw a spider-like entity come out of her mouth. She said she was very glad to be rid of it.

2. I did not have an awareness of this thing during subsequent trips, or any time afterwards. I wrote in my journal the next day that I didn't think I was successful in removing it though. My impression of the situation was that I need to be in a very deeply altered state to recognize the other-ness of this entity, that it is not a part of me. In ordinary consciousness I simply assume that its thoughts and feelings are my own, I can't tell them apart. Sort of like siamese twins in the movies.

This is all assuming of course that this entity exists as an actual "thing".

I did see the floating multi-colored ball of light while sober, which was an entity according to the shaman apprentice. Technically I had just swallowed ayahuasca, but trust me when it 'hits you' you can recognize it. It always took a while to kick in for me and it hadn't yet, so I was lying there on my cot in completely ordinary consciousness waiting for it to take effect.

Every other experience under the ayahuasca took place in a recognizeable altered state, except for the glowing ball of light in the last ceremony. It stood out because my mind and the rest of the world felt absolutely normal.

3. The shaman didn't really indicate concern for anything at all. He was a very calm guy. It's apparently very common for people to feel and expel these entities, it's all part of the process according to him.

After the second ceremony when nothing happened, I went up to him and I expressed my concern. He promised me that this would not happen in the next ceremony, though I didn't believe him.

 

[Gareth]

Fascinating stuff - thanks for indulging me. For a few years now Ive had an interest in the idea of taking psychedelics in the presence of a shaman. Reading the other thread, I think you hit the nail on the head as far as looking at drugs as entertainment or learning. I was initially pretty surprised that you had not taken a drug before Peru - but after reading the thread I understand completely.

Its funny - I look at the prospect of doing some sort of guided 'trip' like you have done as something I want to do, but at the same time something something that scares the shit out of me. Very much like bungee jumping or sky diving. Not that I HAVE to do either of those but it feels like an experience I should have at least once.

Any other stand out memories from the experience you can think of sharing?

 

[BrandonD]

Any other stand out memories from the experience you can think of sharing?

Here's another one I don't think I've mentioned yet:

During the third ceremony (which I nicknamed the "hell experience") I called out for help. This is against my nature, but I felt certain that something horrible had gone wrong and I was going to die. One of the apprentices came up to the side of my cot and held my hand. She told me to repeat phrases such as, "Thank you God for this precious gift of life", and "Thank you God for always protecting me", and other statements of gratitude.

My feelings didn't reflect these statements at all, but I felt that my mind was being dismembered and these words were literally all that I could hold on to. So I repeated what she told me, but I repeated the phrases as quietly as I possibly could because I didn't want anyone else to hear me saying them. Also because there's no talking allowed during the ceremony.

I continued repeating these phrases to myself for the next few hours, very quietly and barely above a whisper.

The next day, I was mentally and physically exhausted. I skipped breakfast and walked to lunch like a zombie. When I entered the common hut where they were serving lunch, several people turned around and made some laughing comments. One of them said, "Had a good night, eh?"

I was not thinking this was very funny at all, so I just replied "no". They said, "Well that's not how it sounded to us."

I asked them what they were talking about, and they explained to me that during the ceremony I had begun shouting out phrases like "I am filled with God's love" and I was SINGING wordless melodies out loud! Everyone in the ceremonial hut heard me, and they said it sounded like I was in ecstasy like an evangelical preacher or something.

This was absolutely nuts. I was awake the whole time, I was saying those words as quietly as I possibly could, I had no desire whatsoever to sing, and I DEFINITELY wasn't feeling ecstatic... I was feeling absolutely miserable.

This one is a mystery, who knows why it occurred. But I was the only person who was struck with this fit of "speaking in tongues".

 

[Gareth]

Wow, thats some fascinating stuff. Thats the sort of stuff I find truly amazing about these experiences. That, and the night when you all had some sort of crystal clear night vision. Truly awesome.

Not to take you back to the 'horror', but do you remember what was causing it? I assume it was related to this entity?

 

[7 String]

I took a suppository once when I was a kid,,, I took it with milk! Don't remember whether I puked or pooped.....

~A

 

[BrandonD]

Not to take you back to the 'horror', but do you remember what was causing it? I assume it was related to this entity?

Actually talking about it doesn't ever take me back to the horror, I can talk about it pretty easily. But weirdly enough certain smells take me back to that experience, I get this sort of bodily panic.

The fear is almost impossible to relate because it wasn't any physical discomfort, and it wasn't fear of anything in particular (because I didn't see the entity until several hours into the experience). As best as I can remember, I sensed some kind of force approaching, an impression like a big storm coming on the horizon. I had this terrible fear but I resisted calling out for help. It got steadily closer and I continued to resist.

Then it was upon me and all around me. I had this intense feeling that my mind was being dismantled and I was going to die, I couldn't resist any longer and so I called out for help.

 

[Rob]

Brandon, have you ever seen the documentary "D'Autres Mondes" (Other Worlds) by the French film director Jan Kounen? http://otherworlds.jankounen.com/

A short description from Variety -
"Other Worlds is an intriguing and well-lensed first-person introduction to the parallel universe that some Amazonian indigenous peoples consider to be 'reality.' Jan Kounen went through more than 100 sacred-plant elixir sessions with a shaman during four years. Blending talking heads with heady imagery, film makes an excellent case for the meeting up of contemporary science and ancient wisdom."

 

[BrandonD]

Brandon, have you ever seen the documentary "D'Autres Mondes" (Other Worlds) by the French film director Jan Kounen? http://otherworlds.jankounen.com/

A short description from Variety -
"Other Worlds is an intriguing and well-lensed first-person introduction to the parallel universe that some Amazonian indigenous peoples consider to be 'reality.' Jan Kounen went through more than 100 sacred-plant elixir sessions with a shaman during four years. Blending talking heads with heady imagery, film makes an excellent case for the meeting up of contemporary science and ancient wisdom."

Wow that sounds like something I'd be very interested in, I'll definitely check it out.

 

[BrandonD]

I'll tell another cool story just to give you guys an impression of the weird world I was in during those few weeks.

I consider myself to be the type of person who is going to follow through with something all the way once I've made the decision to do it. But after that hell ceremony, I had this feeling like I had been completely drained of energy. I told myself that I would never be able to go through one of those ceremonies again in my life. And yet I was supposed to drink ayahuasca in another ceremony the very next evening.

I wanted to follow through with what I had decided, but I honestly felt that I was physically and emotionally unable to. I tried to talk myself into continuing but I couldn't do it. The shaman had recommended cold showers after a ceremony. Well I took like 5 showers and I still didn't feel any better.

Later that day the shamans got a group of us and took us to the amazon river, and wanted us to go swimming. I went swimming, which seemed pleasant enough. The water was a good temperature and no one got eaten by piranhas.

But the weird thing was that as soon as I got out of the river, I realized that I had somehow been completely replenished. It was like night and day, my energy had returned and I was ready to continue with the ceremonies.

What a weird feeling it was. Earlier in the day I felt like I would never be able to drink ayahuasca again in my life. Then after the river I felt like I was already able to do it that very night. I was confused but thankful that something had changed inside me.

I've wondered about what caused it. I can't imagine that it was suggestion of some sort... I pretty much felt traumatized before going to that river, and the shaman didn't even tell us that he was taking us to the river to help us. I thought we were just going as a touristy side-trip.

It couldn't have just been contact with cold water because I took several cold showers and they didn't help. But I still feel it must be something related to water since showers were recommended after the ceremonies.

Anyway, just another day in narnia over there.