dont call the police defend your self...a local shariff states...

[Rikki]

Sheriff David Clarke Jr.: Skip 911, defend yourself - Kevin Cirilli - POLITICO.com

at a loss for words here...

 

[Muadib]

Why are you at a loss for words? I think the guy makes some good points, sometimes calling 911 isn't the best course of action and just might get you killed. Everyone should be able to defend themselves, the cops aren't obligated to protect you and with many police forces being downsized due to economic considerations, it just makes sense to be able to protect yourself.

 

[pixelsmith]

I agree with Muadib. Not long ago you were expected to carry a firearm for protection.

 

[stonehart]

Why are you at a loss for words? I think the guy makes some good points, sometimes calling 911 isn't the best course of action and just might get you killed. Everyone should be able to defend themselves, the cops aren't obligated to protect you and with many police forces being downsized due to economic considerations, it just makes sense to be able to protect yourself.

The cops are clean up crew .. take care of yourself first.

 

[mike]

Better to be tried in front of 12 of your peers, than carried by 6................

 

[boomerang]

The cops are clean up crew

No reflection on the police. But my thoughts exactly.

 

[pixelsmith]

It looks like there are now at least 219 sheriffs willing to defend the Constitution.
219 Sheriffs Saying ‘NO’ to Obama Gun Control | CSPOA

 

[stonehart]

Better to be tried in front of 12 of your peers, than carried by 6................

That is my thinking on it Mike.

The way I look at it is if some one is in my home and there is a threat to me and my own then I will do what is needed to protect me and my own.
It is that simple.

 

[Bob Watson]

Basicly as I told my wife if someone broke in with the intent to harm her or our kids I would kill them.with no regreat.

 

[Decker]

Contrary to what the media try to ram down your throat, the 2nd Adm. has always been about the ability of the citizen to defend themselves ... and has nothing to do, at all, with hunting or target shooting. The other thing that the Founding Fathers had in mind with the 2nd Adm. was the ability of the public to defend themselves against a tyrant minded Federal Government. I am constantly astounded by the ignorance expounded by the media and the talking heads when discussing the private ownership of firearms. Sometimes I think the current admn. seems to be pushing to the point they want an excuse to "crack down" on the public over so called "gun control." This from the same admn. that sent guns to the drug cartels in (by the hundreds and thousands) Mexico. Molan labe

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[stonehart]

Contrary to what the media try to ram down your throat, the 2nd Adm. has always been about the ability of the citizen to defend themselves ... and has nothing to do, at all, with hunting or target shooting. The other thing that the Founding Fathers had in mind with the 2nd Adm. was the ability of the public to defend themselves against a tyrant minded Federal Government. I am constantly astounded by the ignorance expounded by the media and the talking heads when discussing the private ownership of firearms. Sometimes I think the current admn. seems to be pushing to the point they want an excuse to "crack down" on the public over so called "gun control." This from the same admn. that sent guns to the drug cartels in (by the hundreds and thousands) Mexico. Molan labe

Molon labe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And you Americans are lucky to have such an amendment, here in New Zealand we do not and if some one broke in to my home and I injured or killed them I would be put on trial for causing harm.
Yes even if their intent was to kill I am not allowed by law to defend myself.... Well I say fuck that and would take my chances with a jury of my peers.

Having said that every case that has gone before a grand jury concerning a person legitimately defending themselves in their home has been found not guilty.

Yeah our Laws may be silly but at least the jury's understands this.

Protect your 2nd Adm people and do not let your government take it away.

 

[pixelsmith]

meanwhile.. DHS has purchased 1.6 trillion rounds of ammo and 7000 automatic weapons. In our hands a SEMI automatic is considered an assault rifle... in THEIR hands a FULLY AUTOMATIC is considered a "personal defense weapon".

 

[stonehart]

meanwhile.. DHS has purchased 1.6 trillion rounds of ammo and 7000 automatic weapons. In our hands a SEMI automatic is considered an assault rifle... in THEIR hands a FULLY AUTOMATIC is considered a "personal defense weapon".

A government having a double standard? no.... lol

Yeah its a bit fishy Pixel I agree if not dodgy.

You know I do not want to come across as some conspiracy nut as personally I think most governments are not really that competent.

But I really do not think that disarming you is in your best interest at all at this time.

 

[pixelsmith]

I have no problem being labeled a conspiracy nut because often times a conspiracy theory ends up being a FACT.

 

[Bob Watson]

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I have no problem being labeled a conspiracy nut because often times a conspiracy theory ends up being a FACT.

Sadly pixel in many ways ur right

 

[Burnt State]

Just how many guns, especially assault rifles, should one be expected to carry to defend oneself? If I visit America should I bring my anti-tank flak jacket? From my perspective all this pro-gun chatter gets me nervous and sad, especially coming from a Pink Floyd fan.

Is it really the history of forging the country out of violence that created the gun culture that America inhabits and can not untangle itself from? Is there no thought that considers what America would be like without gun proliferation, like other countries where mass gun shootings are rare events, as opposed to something that happens every month? I don't get this whole illogical 'guns don't kill people; people kill people" rhetoric either. Wouldn't things be a lot better if there was just way fewer guns around altogether?

 

[Decker]

Just how many guns, especially assault rifles, should one be expected to carry to defend oneself? If I visit America should I bring my anti-tank flak jacket? From my perspective all this pro-gun chatter gets me nervous and sad, especially coming from a Pink Floyd fan.

Is it really the history of forging the country out of violence that created the gun culture that America inhabits and can not untangle itself from? Is there no thought that considers what America would be like without gun proliferation, like other countries where mass gun shootings are rare events, as opposed to something that happens every month? I don't get this whole illogical 'guns don't kill people; people kill people" rhetoric either. Wouldn't things be a lot better if there was just way fewer guns around altogether?

Well Burnt ... today is your lucky day because I am going to give you some of that fine education my dad paid for many moons ago.

Back when I was in college I was a History major. Back then I decided that I was going to be a history instructor because I loved that subject so much. I really was a history wonk, especially coming from the western part of Pennsylvania where so much early American history came out of. You see, my family on my mom's side were in what was then the English colonies about 30 or 40 years prior to the American Revolution. My maternal grandfather's family came out of Ireland .. to France then to the colonies. He was indentured in Lancaster Co. as a gunsmith, learned his trade and when he could he struck out on his own as a gunsmith. Now, back in those days, and you live in Canada, right? This was a pretty wild and woolly place. I am sure you heard about the actual "first" world war .. the "French and Indian" war that took on global dimensions. And, I might add .. it was bloody and brutal. A settlement, on a good day, and I am speaking of an English one .. would be hit .. and on a good day all the menfolk would be massacred and the women carried off. No cops or 911 then. However on a "bad" day everybody had their head caved in with a tomahawk, their scalp lifted and everything else tossed into the fire.

Now, when that was over the British discovered it was pretty damned expensive. As a matter of fact that war damned near caused the treasury to implode so they decided to tax the American colonies. Now, the Americans were considered English, were "free" but had no representatives in Parliament. In other words we were taxed but had no one to speak for us in Parliament. That pissed a lot of folks off. Oh, I almost forgot. The other thing was ... the Brits, oh I guess for a thousand years or more by that time, had this pesky thing of a "class" system. There were the Royal's, the elite, and then the rest of us. If your father came from "the right side of the tracks" then things were "hunky-dory" but if not ... well tough. As a matter of fact .. that was one reason so many people emigrated to North America. Here a man or woman could go as far as their talent and sweat would take them.

Now, back in those days your gun was as important as your axe, your horse or your fields where you grew your crops. The gun was used to secure meat, protect you from hostile native Americans (read Indians) and to protect you from bears, wolves and other critters. Now as time moved along Americans were more vocal about taxes and other things they were pissed about ... so the Crown decided to move in more British troops. Guess who had to put them up? The Americans were tasked to house and in many cases feed them... whether they wanted to .. or not. Well .. hell's bells .. some folks got even more vocal. Now, unlike back in Europe where the peasants were expected .. and for the most part did keep their mouths shut ... not here so much. Then April 19, 1775 happened. The British governor decided he would order a battalion or two of British regulars to go and confiscate the arms the colonists had stocked. Ergo ... the shot heard round the world.

Now if the British had not been quite so arrogant and allowed the Americans to have members serve them in Parliament things might have been a whole lot different. We might be, even today, a member of the Commonwealth. Nope. So, when the founding fathers put the Constitution in play they made sure that one thing in there was "iron-clad" and that was the right of the citizen to "keep and bear arms" for evermore. Only free men have weapons, serfs and slaves do not. By the way, do you know why the British no longer have access to firearms? It was because at the end of World War I, after millions died in the trenches and the soldiers, (millions of them knowing how to use arms) came home after being treated like simple cannon fodder, no jobs to go to, tired and pissed and seeing hundreds and thousands of friends slaughtered ... the British Gov. saw what happened in Russia with their revolution. Their Czar was executed, the government toppled, the Commies in power ... vowed that would not happen in England. Prior to the war British citizens had weapons. Hell, when the Germans in 1940-41 looked like they were going to invade Churchill contacted the White House and begged Roosevelt to send guns over so the Brits would have something to fight with. Roosevelt went to the NRA and the American people and asked that we donate pistols and rifles for the Brits in case the Nazi's did invade and Americans sent hundreds of thousands of guns over. I would suggest that is not so proud a moment for the Brits.

The Japanese even realized that they could never invade the U.S for that very reason. Admiral Yamamoto, the guy that designed the Pearl Harbor attack, said he could never invade the United States, there would be a gun behind every blade of grass. Americans cherish our 2nd Admn. rights. You are damned right we do. And today, when cops are being laid off because of no money to finance PD's, gangs running rampant in big and small cities, terrorism just around the corner, do you really think we Americans will give up that cherished right?

Molon labe

Decker

 

[stonehart]

Well Burnt ... today is your lucky day because I am going to give you some of that fine education my dad paid for many moons ago.

Back when I was in college I was a History major. Back then I decided that I was going to be a history instructor because I loved that subject so much. I really was a history wonk, especially coming from the western part of Pennsylvania where so much early American history came out of. You see, my family on my mom's side were in what was then the English colonies about 30 or 40 years prior to the American Revolution. My maternal grandfather's family came out of Ireland .. to France then to the colonies. He was indentured in Lancaster Co. as a gunsmith, learned his trade and when he could he struck out on his own as a gunsmith. Now, back in those days, and you live in Canada, right? This was a pretty wild and woolly place. I am sure you heard about the actual "first" world war .. the "French and Indian" war that took on global dimensions. And, I might add .. it was bloody and brutal. A settlement, on a good day, and I am speaking of an English one .. would be hit .. and on a good day all the menfolk would be massacred and the women carried off. No cops or 911 then. However on a "bad" day everybody had their head caved in with a tomahawk, their scalp lifted and everything else tossed into the fire.

Now, when that was over the British discovered it was pretty damned expensive. As a matter of fact that war damned near caused the treasury to implode so they decided to tax the American colonies. Now, the Americans were considered English, were "free" but had no representatives in Parliament. In other words we were taxed but had no one to speak for us in Parliament. That pissed a lot of folks off. Oh, I almost forgot. The other thing was ... the Brits, oh I guess for a thousand years or more by that time, had this pesky thing of a "class" system. There were the Royal's, the elite, and then the rest of us. If your father came from "the right side of the tracks" then things were "hunky-dory" but if not ... well tough. As a matter of fact .. that was one reason so many people emigrated to North America. Here a man or woman could go as far as their talent and sweat would take them.

Now, back in those days your gun was as important as your axe, your horse or your fields where you grew your crops. The gun was used to secure meat, protect you from hostile native Americans (read Indians) and to protect you from bears, wolves and other critters. Now as time moved along Americans were more vocal about taxes and other things they were pissed about ... so the Crown decided to move in more British troops. Guess who had to put them up? The Americans were tasked to house and in many cases feed them... whether they wanted to .. or not. Well .. hell's bells .. some folks got even more vocal. Now, unlike back in Europe where the peasants were expected .. and for the most part did keep their mouths shut ... not here so much. Then April 19, 1775 happened. The British governor decided he would order a battalion or two of British regulars to go and confiscate the arms the colonists had stocked. Ergo ... the shot heard round the world.

Now if the British had not been quite so arrogant and allowed the Americans to have members serve them in Parliament things might have been a whole lot different. We might be, even today, a member of the Commonwealth. Nope. So, when the founding fathers put the Constitution in play they made sure that one thing in there was "iron-clad" and that was the right of the citizen to "keep and bear arms" for evermore. Only free men have weapons, serfs and slaves do not. By the way, do you know why the British no longer have access to firearms? It was because at the end of World War I, after millions died in the trenches and the soldiers, (millions of them knowing how to use arms) came home after being treated like simple cannon fodder, no jobs to go to, tired and pissed and seeing hundreds and thousands of friends slaughtered ... the British Gov. saw what happened in Russia with their revolution. Their Czar was executed, the government toppled, the Commies in power ... vowed that would not happen in England. Prior to the war British citizens had weapons. Hell, when the Germans in 1940-41 looked like they were going to invade Churchill contacted the White House and begged Roosevelt to send guns over so the Brits would have something to fight with. Roosevelt went to the NRA and the American people and asked that we donate pistols and rifles for the Brits in case the Nazi's did invade and Americans sent hundreds of thousands of guns over. I would suggest that is not so proud a moment for the Brits.

The Japanese even realized that they could never invade the U.S for that very reason. Admiral Yamamoto, the guy that designed the Pearl Harbor attack, said he could never invade the United States, there would be a gun behind every blade of grass. Americans cherish our 2nd Admn. rights. You are damned right we do. And today, when cops are being laid off because of no money to finance PD's, gangs running rampant in big and small cities, terrorism just around the corner, do you really think we Americans will give up that cherished right?

Molon labe

Decker

Very nice post indeed!

 

[Decker]

I don't get this whole illogical 'guns don't kill people; people kill people" rhetoric either. Wouldn't things be a lot better if there was just way fewer guns around altogether?

Oh btw Burnt, to answer that remark you made ... here is a little something to consider ...

16-year-old screamed as he was hacked to death with swords in central London - Telegraph

Not to mention ... when the govt. outlaws guns ... only outlaws have them.

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

Decker

 

[Goggs Mackay]

Why are you at a loss for words? I think the guy makes some good points, sometimes calling 911 isn't the best course of action and just might get you killed. Everyone should be able to defend themselves, the cops aren't obligated to protect you and with many police forces being downsized due to economic considerations, it just makes sense to be able to protect yourself.

In American, with the gun culture I would definitely say that it's a good idea to learn how to protect yourself, home and family. I must take issue with you saying that the cops are not obligated to protect you? I thought that was their primary function, 'To Protect and Serve' - is that often not printed on the side of squad cars?
I'd be really, really worried if the cops started saying that it wasn't their job to protect the public.

I'm not confusing what I just said with their ability to protect you however. I know it's totally unrealistic to expect cops to get to your location in time to do the saving, if someone is imminently about to endanger you. You basically have to take a large measure of personal responsibility to your own safety. It's common sense. Things like parking your car in a brightly lit area, not walking in dodgy neighbourhoods alone after dark, leaving valuable on display in cars etc. People who flaunt wealth are often just asking someone to steal from them. I'm not excusing theft, only pointing out the things one can do to lessen the risk of something happening.

Muadib - with the downsizing and cutbacks, I understand those in law enforcement giving advice to protect oneself, but has any police dept actually said anything remotely close to 'it not being their duty to protect you' ? If that was so, I would asking why you should continue paying the same amount of taxes etc. If the police don't care about protecting us, then I certainly don't want to be buying their donuts!